The Dark Knight Rises Riddle Me This: The Riddler Characterization Thread

[RetroNaz]

A little bit of Simon Gruber injected into the Riddler would be awesome Conan69

A bit of John Doe from Seven would also be awesome! I think he needs to be a self rightous, obsessive compulsive guy that isn't a loose canon, but has everything planned out in a very calm and off putting demeanor.

A gentlemen in some ways. Unless that's the direction they go with Penguin.

 

[Ryan]

The Riddler is that "know it all kid" in your class, that everyone hated. He doesn't play sports as it is beneath him, won't loan out his notes to help a fellow student, and would be more intent on proving the teacher wrong then being a teacher's pet.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Here's what Ive got so far.

During the events of TDK,several Police Departments in different cities were targeted by an unknown criminal. Setting complex challenges and games for the head of the Precincts,but they all fell victim when a challenge wasnt completed.

The mystery killer arrives in Gotham,and Commissioner Gordon is his next challenger. Of course,Batman gets involved and manages to catch the criminal.

He is revealed to be Edward Nashton,a former NYPD Detective. Edward claims to Gordon he was fired because he 'knew too much' and tried to expose the head of his Department as corrupt,only for him to be set up and sent to jail for 3 years. Whilst in prison,he suffered a breakdown and used complex puzzles and games to occupy his mind. Upon his release he planned to get his revenge on his former head and devised challenges...that would result in his death if he wasnt smart enough and it did.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Edward says to Gordon he saw him nothing more as a challenger like all the rest of the victims,other people are merely Pawns in a game of Chess

He goes on to say that he has finally found a worthy challenger in Batman and intends to unleash his puzzles upon him,so that he can prove that Batman isnt smarter than what he is and wasnt playing fair when he caught him.

Edward sweet talks Bullock (who is a Fed and working with the GCPD to catch Batman) to release him for 72 hours so that he may challenge Batman and capture him for them. Bullock reluctantly agrees (as he LOATHES Batman) and secretly helps Edward escape custody...only to realise he has been deliberately played for a fool.

Edward realises that he needs to become something more,like all the other criminals Batman has faced and up his game. He then becomes The Riddler...Using those devices to lead Batman to different challenges that will eventually lead to his final trap that will ensure Batman's capture or death and prove Edward is the smartest.

 

[Rodrigo90]

What Im trying to do is make something different.

Joker justified his crimes to madness and chaos.
Riddler justifies his crimes to his intelligence and wanting to challenge his own intellect to others,in the search for knowledge.
Joker says "Its all part of the plan"
Riddler should say "Its all part of the challenge.

Im trying to create a frightening aspect to Riddler with that origin. That he was once a good person,strong morals. But abandoned all that due to a break down,which he sees as his eyes being opened to true intellect. Being smart and realising the knowledge that life is a complex riddle that must be answered and a fun challenge to be played.

He is a lot more philosophical.

 

[RetroNaz]

I like where you're going with that - but I'd have the Riddlers catch phrase totally different to the Jokers. Unless you were only using that as an example of where he's at.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I like where you're going with that - but I'd have the Riddlers catch phrase totally different to the Jokers. Unless you were only using that as an example of where he's at.

Thank you

I was using the phrase as an example,yes.

I think "Knowledge is Power" would be a good one for The Riddler.

 

[COMPO]

"It's all about knowledge"

 

[RetroNaz]

Let me add some...

"The only crime here was you took this long to find me. Batman."

"I tested him with a riddle. Just one. He never understood that he was the punch line. And now he's dead."

Riddler: "[SIZE=-1]If you have me, you want to share me. If you share me, you haven't got me. What am I?"

Batman: "A secret."

Riddler: "Exactly. And I know the answer to the biggest secret in Gotham, don't I Bruce?"
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[Rodrigo90]

Let me add some...

"The only crime here was you took this long to find me. Batman."

"I tested him with a riddle. Just one. He never understood that he was the punch line. And now he's dead."

Riddler: "[SIZE=-1]If you have me, you want to share me. If you share me, you haven't got me. What am I?"

Batman: "A secret."

Riddler: "Exactly. And I know the answer to the biggest secret in Gotham, don't I Bruce?"
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I liked that

 

[RetroNaz]

Thanks mate

 

[COMPO]

Let me add some...

"The only crime here was you took this long to find me. Batman."

"I tested him with a riddle. Just one. He never understood that he was the punch line. And now he's dead."

Riddler: "[SIZE=-1]If you have me, you want to share me. If you share me, you haven't got me. What am I?"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Batman: "A secret."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Riddler: "Exactly. And I know the answer to the biggest secret in Gotham, don't I Bruce?"[/SIZE]

are things the riddler has said before? cos i think I've heard them before.

Reese-"Why do you want me?"

Riddler-"Because your the man with the answer, and I'm the man with all the answers except one... Who. Is. Batman?"

 

[RetroNaz]

are things the riddler has said before? cos i think I've heard them before.

Reese-"Why do you want me?"

Riddler-"Because your the man with the answer, and I'm the man with all the answers except one... Who. Is. Batman?"

Totally made up except for the riddle, which is real.

 

[COMPO]

Oh cool, I thought it was from Hush lol.

 

[Ryan]

They've done a couple movies now with the whole Gotham under siege sort of thing. I would really like to see Nolan bring Arkham into the film and use that as the center stage. I'm doubtful that will happen though.

As for quotes, I would have loved the Riddler to deliver one of John Doe's final lines in Seven. "I'm setting the example. What I've done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever.

Then end the movie with a either a riddle or an answer to a riddle that leaves people talking about it as the exit the theatre.

 

[Nightwing 52]

A little bit of Simon Gruber injected into the Riddler would be awesome Conan69

A bit of John Doe from Seven would also be awesome! I think he needs to be a self rightous, obsessive compulsive guy that isn't a loose canon, but has everything planned out in a very calm and off putting demeanor.

A gentlemen in some ways. Unless that's the direction they go with Penguin.

YES! I was watching Seven the other night and it's one of my fave movies of all time. Just a great all around detective film and Freeman is brilliant in that movie. I really like this idea and think it's ideal for Riddler. Props Retro.

Thank you

I was using the phrase as an example,yes.

I think "Knowledge is Power" would be a good one for The Riddler.

Yeah, like I said a few pages ago - something like "Money isn't power..Money just gets you what you want in life. Knowledge..Knowledge is true power."

Or he can also quote Emerson who said - "All is riddle. And the key to a riddle..is another riddle."

 

[COMPO]

I like the last one, its somethin the riddler would say.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I have one...

[Batman jumps out of the window of an exploding building after he realizes that he misinterpreted the clue, only to find The Riddler outside waiting for him]

The Riddler: Well well, looks like I've overestimated you. That thing you pass off as a brain surely won't help you catch me.

(laying on the ground gasping for air)
Batman: I'm going to put an end to your sadistic mind games Riddler

The Riddler: Is that what you think? That's odd because Gordon told me the same thing.

[Gets up and grabs him]
Batman: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH GORDON!?!?

The Riddler:Which one?

Batman:What...

The Riddler: Hands off the suit first, it costs more than that ridiculous oufit you're wearing...

[Batman lets him go and The Riddler looks at his watch]
Hold your breath Batman. Three bodies in the dark will loose conscienceness in minutes. If you don't get to them in time, what becomes of them?

Batman:...Drowning victims...WHERE!?!?

The Riddler: You should already know the answer, I gave you a clue earlier. Better hurry though, the little ones were turning blue the last time I checked and I didn't think to ask them if they could swim.

[Batman runs to the batmobile and takes off full speed. He now knows that he must go to an old cargo ship at the loading docks. The Riddler watches on then pulls out his cell phone and dials someone's number]

When Batman gets there, he finds a green cargo container with a (?) painted on it slowly being let into the water by a crane. When Batman get's to the crane, he finds an note that says "Thought this would be easy?" and a cryptic riddle at the bottom. Batman grapples to the container and sees that Barbra Gordon and her children are gaged and bound to metal chairs. Batman takes the gag out of Barbras mouth.

Barbra: You have to get us out of here fast! The Riddler has something rigged to electrocute us all when the water touches it.

Batman: Hang on

[Batman has to untie them all because the chairs are to heavy to use the grappling gun for all of them.]

Just in time Batman is able to save them and everyone is ok.

[Crying]
Barbra: Thank you

Blue and red lights shine in the distance followed by loud sirens. Batman runs to the batmobile and the police, who The Riddler thought would make for a greater challenge by tipping them off, begin firing their guns. Batman gets away and starts working on the next riddle.

 

[Mister H.]

^ Gordon's family in peril again? I'll pass.

I'll also pass on Johnny Depp as the Riddler. I have to say, I suspect Nolan's Riddler would look a little less Willie Wonka and a little more Unibomber.

 

[Mindreaper21]

^ Gordon's family in peril again? I'll pass.

I'll also pass on Johnny Depp as the Riddler. I have to say, I suspect Nolan's Riddler would look a little less Willie Wonka and a little more Unibomber.

Rachel's life was in peril in the first two movies before she died and I don't think anyone else had a problem with that. Besides, I don't remember Gordon's wife being alive in anything I've seen other than the Nolan series, so I feel that at least her and their son should die and The Riddler should be the one to do it eventually... Johny Depp would be perfect because of ability to be creative with a character. He's not silly all the time and he can give us that suve as well as weird vibe...Making The Riddler like the Unibomber is unlikely because it ignores the other aspcets of The Riddler. Nolan is a BTAS fan, and you can see alot of those elemnents in the movies. So I'm pretty sure he will have a cross between TAS (which was the best incarnation) and B66.

 

[Ryan]

I hate to keep going back to the John Doe character from Se7en but I just think its one of the best detective movies in recent memory. I'm not a fan of the Unibomber look, but again prefer the sterile, clean look of John Doe for the Riddler. I think it would also be cool to have the Riddler dress up in different disguises throughout the movie and maybe save the last, final Riddler "look" until the end of the film.

 

[COMPO]

the difference is that Racheal was the love interest, although if Riddler is trying to get the truth out of Gordon about Two-Face it would be cool if reanacted the Two-Face kidnapping to show he knows what happened.

 

[Ekricket]

the difference is that Racheal was the love interest, although if Riddler is trying to get the truth out of Gordon about Two-Face it would be cool if reanacted the Two-Face kidnapping to show he knows what happened.

Maybe he runs around the whole movie disguised as Two-Face, driving Gordon and Batman crazy wondering if Dent is really dead - making them admit they killed him and he was evil.

What has two faces hiding another one?

 

[Ekricket]

I have one...

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Batman: Catch Lucky, he's got all the marshmallows...!

Johnny Depp: Hearts, stars and horseshoes! Clovers and blue moons! Pots of gold and rainbows! And me red balloons!!!! Lucky Charms! They're Magically Delicious!!!!!

 

[COMPO]

Maybe he runs around the whole movie disguised as Two-Face, driving Gordon and Batman crazy wondering if Dent is really dead - making them admit they killed him and he was evil.

What has two faces hiding another one?

mmmm, I'd rather he employed someone to do that, so people believe its two face and then it revealed that the riddler is behind it all. I.e. Clayface, but more a master of disguise than a clay man.