Riots in Missouri - Part 1

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Is there a difference between having a "good attitude" and being overly submissive to every cop?

Because you shouldn't have to kiss every cop's ass in order to avoid a tacked on charge or even death.

It's ridiculous. It's almost admitting that most cops are capable of screwing with people simply because they don't like them.

You don't even have to be rude to cops to induce their wrath. Some cops get pretty angry when you assert your rights.

Some cops will make your life hell for challenging an illegal search, asking for a badge number, reminding them of your right to protest/assemble, etc.
 
The jury is decided on the county not town anyways right? The county is 70% white.
 
Sometimes, being courteous, calm, and non-confrontational doesn't help at all. It can really be something when an officer is in your face, super aggressive, treating you like just committed some horrible crime when all you've done is just walk in their vicinity.

Honestly, I can see how someone could get off on it as a power trip. You can really be at their mercy when you think about it.
 
Sometimes, being courteous, calm, and non-confrontational doesn't help at all. It can really be something when an officer is in your face, super aggressive, treating you like just committed some horrible crime when all you've done is just walk in their vicinity.

Honestly, I can see how someone could get off on it as a power trip. You can really be at their mercy when you think about it.

Which would be a totally different situation. Can we say this info is accurate? 1.They refused to get out of middle of road. 2. Jumped in the officer's car. 3. Just robbed a convenience store of cigars.

Maybe less likely to comply knowing Brown assaulted a store owner and robbery took place.
 
Cross posting this because it applies to both threads about abuse of power and the Missouri shooting.
A Missouri police officer involved in maintaining security in troubled Ferguson was put on administrative leave Friday after a video surfaced showing him railing about the Supreme Court, Muslims, and his past -- and perhaps, he said, his future -- as "a killer."

The officer, Dan Page of the St. Louis County Police Department, became something of a familiar face to many earlier this month when video showed him pushing back CNN's Don Lemon and others in a group in Ferguson. At the time, CNN was reporting on the large-scale and at times violent protests calling for the arrest of a white Ferguson police officer who shot and killed African-American teenager Michael Brown.

But it's another video that led St. Louis County police officials to say they had removed Page from his post and had started a process that will likely include the department's internal affairs unit investigating and a psychological evaluation of the officer.

"(I) apologize to the community and anybody who is offended by these remarks, and understand from me that he ... does not represent the rank-and-file of the St. Louis County Police Department," county Police Chief Jon Belmar told CNN. Belmar called the video "so bizarre."

CNN placed several phone calls Friday to what's believed to be Page's home number seeking comment on the video and disciplinary action against him, but never got a response.

Posted to YouTube and highlighted by CrooksandLiars.com, the video shows the military veteran talking for about an hour to an Oath Keepers group. According to its website, Oath Keepers is "a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to 'defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'"

The president of the Oath Keepers' St. Louis/St. Charles chapter, Duane Weed, told CNN that Page was a guest speaker and is not a member of his group. A link to the video of his speech was posted to the local chapter's Facebook page on April 23 -- a day after it happened -- along with text that highlighted what Page had to say about the dangers of private contractors in war zones.

That was just one of many topics Page touched on, sometimes jokingly and at other times very seriously.

In his rambling remarks on the video, he talks about what he describes as a draft replacement for the U.S. Constitution, the "four sodomites on the Supreme Court," and a visit to Kenya "to our undocumented President's home." He refers to Barack Obama as "that illegal alien who claims to be our President."

Page frequently references violence, including nine combat tours in the Army, during which he did "my fair share of killing."

Speaking about Muslims, he says pointedly: "They will kill you."

On domestic disputes, he opines: "You don't like each other that much, just kill each other and get it over with. Problem solved. Get it done."


On urban violence, he predicts that "when the inner cities start to ignite, people are going to start killing people they don't like."

And lastly, Page says, "I personally believe the Lord Jesus Christ is my savior, but I'm also a killer. I've killed a lot and, if I need to, I will kill a whole bunch more."

"If you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me."

Belmar, the head of the St. Louis County police department, said all the talk about killing was especially disturbing to him.

"As a police chief, that's something I'm not going to be able to endure," Belmar said.
CNN
 
I would say 90% of the time someone asks me for my name and badge number, it's for a completely ridiculous reason, and so that's why it can be found very annoying.

It's pretty typical for a citizen to want or desire a certain outcome, but that desire is unreasonable or just plainly not legal, and so when I explain to them that what they want cannot or will not be done, then the citizen immediately wants your name and badge number in "order to lodge a complaint".

Sometimes the threat is empty too, because if you ask them if they want to speak with a supervisor they say no and still wish to leave the scene.

Most of my experiences with people asking for my name/badge number are exactly that. Citizen wants Outcome A, but Outcome A is just not going to happen...

So I give them a business card that has my name and badge number on it and I move on to the next call...

Being a cop has that interesting aspect to it. Everybody thinks they know the law better than you do. Imagine if your job was like that and think about how frustrating it would be. Imagine you're a scientist but the average citizen thinks they know more about science than you and constantly challenges you. Imagine you're a writer but the average citizen think they write better than you. Imagine you're a professional athlete, but the average citizen (who is out-of-shape and overweight) still verbally challenges you and thinks they know more about fitness than you do.

That's what being a cop is like, sometimes . . .

So that's why cops may seem frustrated when a citizen asks for their name/badge number because the citizen feels they "know the law" better than the officer. More than likely, the officer is thinking to himself/herself "Hmmm, well, I do have a Bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice, I did go through police academy, I have gone through further training since police academy, and I have been a cop for years now... oh but I'm sure this citizen is right and they know more about the law than I do..."
 
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I would say 90% of the time someone asks me for my name and badge number, it's for a completely ridiculous reason, and so that's why it can be found very annoying.

It's pretty typical for a citizen to want or desire a certain outcome, but that desire is unreasonable or just plainly not legal, and so when I explain to them that what they want cannot or will not be done, then the citizen immediately wants your name and badge number in "order to lodge a complaint".

Sometimes the threat is empty too, because if you ask them if they want to speak with a supervisor they say no and still wish to leave the scene.

Most of my experiences with people asking for my name/badge number are exactly that. Citizen wants Outcome A, but Outcome A is just not going to happen...

So I give them a business card that has my name and badge number on it and I move on to the next call...

Being a cop has that interesting aspect to it. Everybody thinks they know the law better than you do. Imagine if your job was like that and think about how frustrating it would be. Imagine you're a scientist but the average citizen thinks they know more about science than you and constantly challenges you. Imagine you're a writer but the average citizen think they write better than you. Imagine you're a professional athlete, but the average citizen (who is out-of-shape and overweight) still verbally challenges you and thinks they know more about fitness than you do.

That's what being a cop is like, sometimes . . .

So that's why cops may seem frustrated when a citizen asks for their name/badge number because the citizen feels they "know the law" better than the officer. More than likely, the officer is thinking to himself/herself "Hmmm, well, I do have a Bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice, I did go through police academy, I have gone through further training since police academy, and I have been a cop for years now... oh but I'm sure this citizen is right and they know more about the law than I do..."

I know exactly how you feel.....I've had several parents over the years let me know that they know how best to teach their child my subject. :yay: Most of the time, I just thank them for their input and hang up.
 
I would say 90% of the time someone asks me for my name and badge number, it's for a completely ridiculous reason, and so that's why it can be found very annoying.

It's pretty typical for a citizen to want or desire a certain outcome, but that desire is unreasonable or just plainly not legal, and so when I explain to them that what they want cannot or will not be done, then the citizen immediately wants your name and badge number in "order to lodge a complaint".

Sometimes the threat is empty too, because if you ask them if they want to speak with a supervisor they say no and still wish to leave the scene.

Most of my experiences with people asking for my name/badge number are exactly that. Citizen wants Outcome A, but Outcome A is just not going to happen...

So I give them a business card that has my name and badge number on it and I move on to the next call...

Being a cop has that interesting aspect to it. Everybody thinks they know the law better than you do. Imagine if your job was like that and think about how frustrating it would be. Imagine you're a scientist but the average citizen thinks they know more about science than you and constantly challenges you. Imagine you're a writer but the average citizen think they write better than you. Imagine you're a professional athlete, but the average citizen (who is out-of-shape and overweight) still verbally challenges you and thinks they know more about fitness than you do.

That's what being a cop is like, sometimes . . .

So that's why cops may seem frustrated when a citizen asks for their name/badge number because the citizen feels they "know the law" better than the officer. More than likely, the officer is thinking to himself/herself "Hmmm, well, I do have a Bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice, I did go through police academy, I have gone through further training since police academy, and I have been a cop for years now... oh but I'm sure this citizen is right and they know more about the law than I do..."


Don't people also demand badge numbers when a police officer is doing something that is clearly wrong?

You don't need a masters in criminal justice to know when a cop is on a power-trip.
 
Don't people also demand badge numbers when a police officer is doing something that is clearly wrong?

You don't need a masters in criminal justice to know when a cop is on a power-trip.

Yep, I'm sure they do and those situations occur.

I was only speaking of my personal experiences.
 
It's funny though, I have been around my fair share of cops having a Criminal Justice degree put me in a classroom with cops getting their hours to move up, DPS, FBI, etc...and I never ran into any that I would say would be the kind of person to go on a power trip. NOW, I've also been in the classroom for 23 years, and I can truthfully say I have seen a great many teachers on power trips... ;)
 
I don't think it's out of line to ask for a name and badge number when you're a lone woman being approached by a cop. Heard too many stories of cop imposters. :csad:
 
I think any profession that involves a lot of violence and power is going to attract its fair share of psychopaths.

There's a reason fascist regimes never have trouble finding people to do bad things.
 
I think any profession that involves a lot of violence and power is going to attract its fair share of psychopaths.

There's a reason fascist regimes never have trouble finding people to do bad things.

That's an interesting point :o
 
I don't think it's out of line to ask for a name and badge number when you're a lone woman being approached by a cop. Heard too many stories of cop imposters. :csad:

Oh definitely.....my friends who are police officers have told me to drive to a well populated, well lit area if I'm being pulled over at night...and if I even think that it is not a real police officer to keep driving to a better area and go ahead and call 911.
 
I don't agree that hearing 11-12 shots with a pause is necessarily further proof of the officer "going off on Brown" because it could mean he told him to stop. He approached, warning shots fired... he ran at officer, and then only 6 shots connected. Seriously it can be positioned both ways.
 
I dunno about that. The argument for the officer was that it was all sudden, and quick reaction. Even for people who were saying he'd done something wrong, the argument that it all happened so fast and was sudden might have had some merit. That pause makes the argument a tougher sell, I think.
 
I don't agree that hearing 11-12 shots with a pause is necessarily further proof of the officer "going off on Brown" because it could mean he told him to stop. He approached, warning shots fired... he ran at officer, and then only 6 shots connected. Seriously it can be positioned both ways.

I certainly hope no warning shots were fired. I have mentioned this several times in this thread, police procedure does not allow for warning shots.

I haven't seen anything that indicates 11-12 shots were fired, where did you see/read that?
 
CNN report earlier said the audio was 11-12 but now it is said to have possible echoes with maybe 10 shots fired. :confused:
 
Two possibilities kind of wash each other out don't they? 1. The officer said freeze and Brown ignored, then proceeded and got shot. 2. Brown runs away and officer is shooting at him *pause in shooting* hands up, turns around and officer continues shooting after the surrender.
 
I don't think it's out of line to ask for a name and badge number when you're a lone woman being approached by a cop. Heard too many stories of cop imposters. :csad:
Of course not. But that doesn't mean every officer is happy with that question.
 
As a black guy if I ask a cop for that kinda I.d. I am pretty sure he'd write that down as resisting arrest.
 
As a white guy I just comply and get let go if doing nothing wrong. The one time I didn't answer questions respectfully was when I was pulled over for making a rolling stop, the cop opened my door and him and his partner who came down handcuffed me. Then my car got towed. I explained I was sorry for not just complying, they didn't arrest me but I had to pay to get car out. #lessonlearned

Now if pulled over I am polite and respectful. This needs to be highlighted on in black community. Some are just belligerent to the cops.
 
As a black guy if I ask a cop for that kinda I.d. I am pretty sure he'd write that down as resisting arrest.

Yeah that's really not possible.

Charging you with resisting arrest because you asked for a cop's badge number?

First of all, what are you being arrested for originally? You can't resist arrest unless you are under arrest for something. You can't be under arrest for resisting arrest without an original reason for an arrest.

And if that ever happened, just go with it and when you have your day in court even the state appointed prosecutor will throw out the resisting charge if the officer only charged you with it because you "asked for his badge number"

and then I would immediately go file a complaint and a civil suit against the officer and his department.
 
The police are militarized now because of the preparation for nationwide martial law (after the U.S economy collapses).
 
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