Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[Feenix]

Canada had a pretty brief history with slavery, and no real equivalent to Jim Crow. Plus, Canada is whiter than an episode of the Bachelor.

Not necessarily. I admit, in my high school, whenever a black kid transferred in, the rest of the school was fascinated by him/her. The guys tended to clean up in terms of dating the girls.

I've never heard a black guy complain about racism where I'm from (and I'm from a redneck province). I think it's because the main disenfranchised and marginalized group here are the Aboriginals. Our "ghettos" consist mainly of that population.

Any black people that are having issues with racism down in the States, come to Canada.

 

[Feenix]

My friend went to Japan, and lost his wallet on a train going across the country. He thought there was no way he could find it again. When he got to wherever he was going his Japanese friend told him to call the train station where he lost it. They did. Someone had turned it in (but only after waiting for hours for someone to come back to the seat to claim it). He got it in the mail, with all the yen and euros still in it.

It's not the Yakuza.

After the earthquake that hit Japan, there wasn't a single instance of looting. The Japanese are a proud people and have a long history with community values, family, and honour. Check out how their prison system works. It's fascinating and helps to explain why they are the way they are.

 

[summerteeth]

Imagine you're in elementary school and the teacher explains that blacks enslaved whites for much of your country's history. Then the teacher explains how whites were made second class citizens who were mocked, lynched, humiliated, tormented for nearly 100 years. Then you go outside and some black kids use a racial slur against you that has stings because it completely reinforces that black supremacy that subjugated and dehumanized your people for centuries. Then you leave school you have to deal with black police profiling you because your white and you have to fear for your life with every interaction. Then you interact with blacks who pretend none of that painful history matters and when you bring up modern racism against whites they claim it's just your imagination.

This is just a small taste of what blacks deal with growing up. Just when you think you've escaped racism something happens that re-opens and pours salt in the wounds.

So no, you'll never understand but that doesn't mean you have to act like blacks are unreasonable when racism of the past bothers or even enrages them.

I guess you can just be a victim and blame everything on perceived racism. I remember going to school in elementary and being told by a student that he had slaves like me at home. I went home and told my Dad what happened and he just laughed and said he doesn't know what he's talking about, don't hold it against him. I'm sure if my Dad handled it differently, I would feel differently about the issue. Wise wisdom from pops. Racism really isn't as prevalent as many make it out to be.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I will say that I generally feel much safer in America than Europe when it comes to theft.

You take your eyes off anything in Europe for a second, and it's gone.

I actually had a quarter stolen one time. Seriously.

 

[ComicChick]

just wanted to remind everyone that this thread is covering a very current, very volatile situation and conflict. there will be a lot of dissent over opinions, and a lot of passionate responses to this topic.

i highly recommend that you please take caution and think over your posts and your wordings before you post them. if it's something you think might be offensive or infraction worthy, then it's probably a good idea not to post it.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Theft depend on WHERE you live in America, too!

You can't just say America is general better than Europe!

I had tons of stuff in my car for almost a year in a very good neighborhood, never ONCE got stolen/broken into.

However, it took just ONE time I went to a city garage, my car broke into, someone stole my bag!

 

[Marvolo]

No, it's beyond me how little of a life you've gotta have to drive from California to Missouri to rob a liquor store.

Some of its about a rush. Breaking and entering and robbing and getting away successfully and just being in that atmosphere can be an adrenaline junkies wet dream. Some people base jump. Some people go to protests and stir up riots and loot and burn cars and other dumb ****.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Theft depend on WHERE you live in America, too!

You can't just say America is general better than Europe!

I had tons of stuff in my car for almost a year in a neighborhood, never ONCE got stolen/broken into.

Went to a city garage, broke into, someone stole my bag!

There are still places where people still don't even lock their doors due to how low crime is. I have relatives in Minnesota, South Dakota, and Iowa that don't consider locking doors necessary. That's such a foreign concept to me. I lock everything up because I've been broken into before and have many friends who've had stuff stolen/broken into before.

 

[SuperJediHero]

There are still places where people still don't even lock their doors due to how low crime is. I have relatives in Minnesota, South Dakota, and Iowa that don't consider locking doors necessary. That's such a foreign concept to me. I lock everything up because I've been broken into before and have many friends who've had stuff stolen/broken into before.

I really trust my neighborhood, but when I go to downtown or any metro city, NO WAY!!!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I guess you can just be a victim and blame everything on perceived racism. I remember going to school in elementary and being told by a student that he had slaves like me at home. I went home and told my Dad what happened and he just laughed and said he doesn't know what he's talking about, don't hold it against him. I'm sure if my Dad handled it differently, I would feel differently about the issue. Wise wisdom from pops. Racism really isn't as prevalent as many make it out to be.

Racism is now like climate change.

You can find countless studies proving prejudice in the justice system, housing industry, education system, workplace and there will always be those who deny, deny, deny and claim you imagined some myth (racism) due to an agenda.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, it's beyond me how little of a life you've gotta have to drive from California to Missouri to rob a liquor store.

Some people will go out of their way to set back civil rights another 30 years.

 

[Asgard]

There's video of non violent protesters being maced and body slammed. Reporters having guns pointed at them. Legal observers being thrown onto the ground by cops and now this:

https://***********/AsymmetricUSA/status/501822063464546304

Deploying a ****ing PMC now? Jesus Christ. The abuse is sickening.

 

[Marvolo]

What's a PMC? Para-military contractor?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I will say that I generally feel much safer in America than Europe when it comes to theft.

You take your eyes off anything in Europe for a second, and it's gone.

I actually had a quarter stolen one time. Seriously.

LoL.
At least far more less chances to be shoot down by the police or a citizen in Europe. See how generalization works

 

[chamber-music]

Japanese people don't really riot. They stand outside holding polite, but strongly worded signs.

I don't even think there is a Japanese word for looting.

Japanese people riot but it is very rare. Kamagasaki area in Osaka had riots in 1990 in which the train station and many local stores were set on fire.

I will say that I generally feel much safer in America than Europe when it comes to theft.

You take your eyes off anything in Europe for a second, and it's gone.

I actually had a quarter stolen one time. Seriously.

Europe is an incredibly diverse place. There are plenty of places you can be very safe from theft.

 

[Asgard]

What's a PMC? Para-military contractor?

Private military company. Prety much the same that you've guessed.

 

[summerteeth]

Racism is now like climate change.

You can find countless studies proving prejudice in the justice system, housing industry, education system, workplace and there will always be those who deny, deny, deny and claim you imagined some myth (racism) due to an agenda.

Not really, people usually those statistics ignore other factors that could be the case and only blame it on racism. For instance, the drug use to prison statistic. It's really not a good idea to look at only race. Poor areas with high crime are going to be patrolled more heavily, so if you were to look is there racism in the justice system when it comes to drug use. In order to eliminate the other factors you might want to group people by where they live, race, income, and rate of crime in the area. Then you might get an idea. Just looking at and saying well 30% of African Americans go to jail for drug use even though they use drugs just as often as whites doesn't mean anything quite frankly.

 

[Teelie]

Don't know if this was posted since I generally avoid the pointless arguments in this thread.

Cop Being Sued Over Beating Is Now a Ferguson City Councilwoman

In 2009, police in Ferguson, Missouri, arrested Henry M. Davis on suspicion of driving under the influence and took him to jail. What followed is described in court documents as "physical contact between the officers and Mr. Davis." One officer, Kim Tihen, allegedly "struck [Davis] in his head with a closed fist and hit [him] in the head with handcuffs." Davis suffered a concussion and severe facial lacerations, while an officer was left with a broken nose. Afterwards, prosecutors charged Davis with four counts of destruction of property—because his blood had dirtied the officers' uniforms.

 

[Schlosser85]

Charging someone you've just beaten for destruction of property because their blood is on your uniforms is farcical.

How do you even stand up in court and say this **** with a straight face?

 

[Pink Ranger]

There are still places where people still don't even lock their doors due to how low crime is. I have relatives in Minnesota, South Dakota, and Iowa that don't consider locking doors necessary. That's such a foreign concept to me. I lock everything up because I've been broken into before and have many friends who've had stuff stolen/broken into before.

"I'd love to leave my door unlocked at night, but this ain't Canada."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Don't know if this was posted since I generally avoid the pointless arguments in this thread.

Cop Being Sued Over Beating Is Now a Ferguson City Councilwoman

What is missing from this report is that Henry Davis was actually brought in because they thought he was another Henry Davis, but they wouldn't check his middle name or social. So when he was in jail, they started making up charges to keep him there, and then they beat him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

 

[summerteeth]

I'm just curious, if he was innocent why did he plead guilty? and the lawsuit was dismissed...I dunno I think he probably did something the missing tapes are suspicious though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Charging someone you've just beaten for destruction of property because their blood is on your uniforms is farcical.

How do you even stand up in court and say this **** with a straight face?

They didn't. They decided to change their tune on the stand, and either admitted committing perjury or were committing in the moment.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

The remarkable turned inexplicable when Beaird was deposed in a civil case that Davis subsequently brought seeking redress and recompense.

“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.

“No, sir,” Beaird replied.

Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.

“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.

“It is, sir,” the cop said.

“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.

“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.

“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”

“You did, sir.”

“And didn’t you respond no?”

“Correct. I did.”

Beaird seemed to be either admitting perjury or committing it. The depositions of other officers suggested that the “property damage” charges were not just bizarre, but trumped up.

“There was no blood on my uniform,” said Police Officer Christopher Pillarick.

And then there was Officer Michael White, the one accused of kicking Davis in the head, an allegation he denies, as his fellow officers deny striking Davis. White had reported suffering a bloody nose in the mayhem.

“Did you see Mr. Davis bleeding at all?” the lawyer, Schottel, asked.

“I did not,” White replied.

“Did Mr. Davis get any blood on you while you were in the cell?” Schottel asked.

“No,” White said.

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

They somehow "lost" the video footage, which had such a low frame rate, that it couldn't be seen anyways. Finally, the officers were allowed to right and file their own non-fatal use-of-force reports, and that the these reports would go missing because they were placed only in the case file, not in the officer's personal file. So, it became almost impossible to link them to the officers.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”

“Who was in charge of personnel files, of maintaining them?” Schottel asked.

“I have no idea,” Moonier said. “I believe City Hall, but I don’t know.”

Schottel focused on the date of the incident.

“On September 20th, 2009, was there any way to identify any officers that were subject of one or more citizens’ complaints?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” Moonier said.

“Was there any way to identify any officers who had completed several use-of-force reports?”

“I don’t recall.”

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm just curious, if he was innocent why did he plead guilty? and the lawsuit was dismissed...I dunno I think he probably did something the missing tapes are suspicious though.

It was dismissed for ridiculous reasons. The cops didn't violate his rights hard enough or beat him bad enough apparently. Because as we know, concussions are something to laugh about.

But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion.

Schottel has appealed and expects to argue the case in December. He will contend that perjury is perjury however minor the charge and note that both the NFL and Major League Baseball have learned to consider a concussion a serious injury.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown on the afternoon of Aug. 9.

And did you read the entire articles linked to, or even what was posted? The cops committed perjury. They did it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not really, people usually those statistics ignore other factors that could be the case and only blame it on racism. For instance, the drug use to prison statistic. It's really not a good idea to look at only race. Poor areas with high crime are going to be patrolled more heavily, so if you were to look is there racism in the justice system when it comes to drug use. In order to eliminate the other factors you might want to group people by where they live, race, income, and rate of crime in the area. Then you might get an idea. Just looking at and saying well 30% of African Americans go to jail for drug use even though they use drugs just as often as whites doesn't mean anything quite frankly.

No, there are whites in poor areas and they're still less likely to stopped and searched.

What's the whole point of racial profiling? A certain race is supposedly more likely to be guilty of a crime so they are stopped and searched more often. The opposite is happening. Blacks are less likely to be guilty of a crime and are more likely to be stopped and twice as likely to be searched.

That defeats any legitimate reason for racial profiling.

Some statistics absolutely prove racism:

The police stop blacks and Latinos at rates that are much higher than whites. In New York City, where people of color make up about half of the population, 80% of the NYPD stops were of blacks and Latinos. When whites were stopped, only 8% were frisked. When blacks and Latinos are stopped 85% were frisked according to information provided by the NYPD. The same is true most other places as well. In a California study, the ACLU found blacks are three times more likely to be stopped than whites.

Then there's racism in sentencing:

African Americans are frequently illegally excluded from criminal jury service according to a June 2010 study released by the Equal Justice Initiative. For example in Houston County, Alabama, 8 out of 10 African Americans qualified for jury service have been struck by prosecutors from serving on death penalty cases.

The U.S. Sentencing Commission reported in March 2010 that in the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10% longer than white offenders for the same crimes. Marc Mauer of the Sentencing Project reports African Americans are 21% more likely to receive mandatory minimum sentences than white defendants and 20% more like to be sentenced to prison than white drug defendants.

and even racism after prison:

Even when released from prison, race continues to dominate. A study by Professor Devah Pager of the University of Wisconsin found that 17% of white job applicants with criminal records received call backs from employers while only 5% of black job applicants with criminal records received call backs. Race is so prominent in that study that whites with criminal records actually received better treatment than blacks without criminal records!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/fourteen-examples-of-raci_b_658947.html