Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[MessiahDecoy123]

If I were the one in charge of the police budget....I would make room for body cameras, NOT to keep police officers honest, but to keep them safe from misinformation. IMO, that justifies the cost.

Why not for both reasons?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why not for both reasons?

Keeping the police honest is not appealing to the police. That is the problem. You have to present it in a way that they will agree to.

 

[chaseter]

Brown did rob a store, but there was no physical evidence to suggest that there was a physical altercation between Brown and Wilson, the eyewitness reports say that Brown was attempting to surrender peacefully when he was shot, and it has been confirmed that Wilson had no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the shooting.



1: Why does the victim of violence need to be perfect for people to care?

2: Looting has been an incredibly small part of this whole thing.

The autopsy report said Brown had a gun shot to his thumb or one of his fingers...meaning he had his hand on the gun when it went off. Either that or the officer was aiming for Brown's fingers when he had his hands up in the air surrendering.

1. Perfect. Yes, use extremes to illustrate you knew you were wrong about the case to begin with. The lynch mob came out to take vengeance for a fallen angel and it turns out he was a criminal scum. Did he deserve death? No. But now it's he was shot in cold blood when the autopsy leak showed otherwise. Let the evidence and facts come out before the hanging rope does. Some of you fit perfectly into the Wild West or Salem, MA.

2. Looting and rioting are both idiotic over a case you know not everything about yet. First he was an angel shot in cold blood. Then he's a robbing piece of crap thug. Now apparently there may have been an altercation. RIOT! RACISM!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Keeping the police honest is not appealing to the police. That is the problem. You have to present it in a way that they will agree to.

They know they won't be able to get away with anything questionable if they wear body cameras.

They're not stupid.

I don't blame them for not wanting them honestly. Who wants a video camera watching everything you do while you're working?

But if alleged police abuse reaches a certain level they should be forced to deal don the camera regardless.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Darren Wilson Reportedly in Talks to Resign From Ferguson Police Dept.

Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson is reportedly in final talks to resign from the department as a grand jury is on the verge of deciding whether to indict the officer for the shooting and killing of Michael Brown.

CNN reports that Wilson is apparently considering leaving Ferguson PD "as a way to help ease pressure and protect his fellow officers." Wilson has apparently been cautious to not move forward with an official resignation while the grand jury is still deliberating, "for fear it would appear he was admitting fault." CNN speculates that Wilson could resign as soon as today, when the grand jury could also deliver its decision.

Meanwhile, Ferguson is bracing for the outcome of the grand jury's deliberations: Missouri Governor Jay Nixon declared a 30-day state of emergency on Monday, and locals have been feverishly stocking up on guns. Protests and demonstrations started cropping up in the streets Wednesday and Thursday night; the Wall Street Journal reports "a handful" of people were arrested by police last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/us/darren-wilson-future/index.html

This guy is going to have to move somewhere that is predominately white since I don't think he can live there anymore

 

[Victarion]

Why on earth would the locals be stocking up on guns? This hasn't even been approached as a gun control issue.

 

[C. Lee]

Why on earth would the locals be stocking up on guns? This hasn't even been approached as a gun control issue.

Hmmmmm, I wonder.....town has had riots and looting for months, outsiders pouring in to presumeably start it all over again......why would people go out and buy guns?

 

[Kelly]

Why not for both reasons?

I see where you are coming from, I could have typed that better. In today's climate, YES for both reasons, but moreso for the reason I stated.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Well from what I recall in the places where they are testing out the cop cameras thing complaints against the police are way down as well as a few other things I can't think of right now

 

[SuperT]

Well from what I recall in the places where they are testing out the cop cameras thing complaints against the police are way down as well as a few other things I can't think of right now

Which make's sense. Hold cops accountable for their actions and maybe we'd see a decrease in their shady actions.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The only police that would be against it, IMO, are the people doing shady things. It really is a win/win for all sides. The police who do their jobs well have proof they did nothing wrong and the cops also have video evidence of what the person was doing when the cop arrived. The fact that there is any kind of debate over it is mind boggling

 

[Howlett]

The autopsy report said Brown had a gun shot to his thumb or one of his fingers...meaning he had his hand on the gun when it went off. Either that or the officer was aiming for Brown's fingers when he had his hands up in the air surrendering.

Actually it can't be the bolded part because the gun residue on his hand indicates that the shot was at very close range. If he would have had his hands up surrendering, the shot would have had to come from further away, and wouldn't have left the residue.

 

[Breogan]

So they are preparing for a news conference - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKCN0J51P420141121
Means they've reached a dissension/verdict.

Whatever it is, I just hope they are VERY clear about what evidence that brought them to that verdict.
And if they don't talk about the evidence in the press conference, I hope it's released to the media immediately.

A few things I'm most curious about are obviously Cops testimony/story in his won words. Since his report was sequestered by County police and then FBI almost immediately, it's them who took his testimony. And we actually haven't head it yet.
The testimony of the 7 eye witnesses which supposedly corroborate the cops version.
But mostly forensic evidence:
The location/dispersal of the shell casings in relation to Browns body. If they were far or near from Browns body would indicate how much of a threat or not he was.
The bruises and scrapes (if any and all) on Brown's body. If 6' 4" guy fell over while running forward would leave very specific scrapes. Vs. on his knees as was first reported.
They talked about blood splatter indicating he was moving forward. How exactly that was derived at.
And more.

 

[Howlett]

As the verdict is almost definitely coming this weekend, this is interesting if accurate.

Video: Police lied. Mike Brown was killed 148 feet away from Darren Wilson's SUV

 

[Breogan]

The original report said 35 yards.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hmmmmm, I wonder.....town has had riots and looting for months, outsiders pouring in to presumeably start it all over again......why would people go out and buy guns?

Was the looting really that widespread and going on for "months"?

I mean, I've seen riots in LA after the Lakers have won a championship look waaaaay worse. And the riots in Mexico over the mayoral sanctioned killings of 40 college students looked worthy of declaring an emergency over.

Declaring a state of emergency, people being told that the apocalypse is coming...I dunno, it all seems like they are setting themselves up for violence by threatening violence. They seem to be hyping things to the point where something will need to happen, because everyone is being told it will happen.

And it also seems to justify the fears of the "fix being in" from the beginning, too. So there's no healing whatsoever, but an even greater divide and mistrust in the citizens and the officials. When it's all said and done, years from now, I think The ways things were handled in Ferguson will be a study in how NOT to do things. Hopefully nobody dies or gets hurt when it's announced that the officer won't be charged.

 

[redhawk23]

Was the looting really that widespread and going on for "months"?

I mean, I've seen riots in LA after the Lakers have won a championship look waaaaay worse. And the riots in Mexico over the mayoral sanctioned killings of 40 college students looked worthy of declaring an emergency over.

Declaring a state of emergency, people being told that the apocalypse is coming...I dunno, it all seems like they are setting themselves up for violence by threatening violence. They seem to be hyping things to the point where something will need to happen, because everyone is being told it will happen.

And it also seems to justify the fears of the "fix being in" from the beginning, too. So there's no healing whatsoever, but an even greater divide and mistrust in the citizens and the officials. When it's all said and done, years from now, I think The ways things were handled in Ferguson will be a study in how NOT to do things. Hopefully nobody dies or gets hurt when it's announced that the officer won't be charged.

Living here in St. Louis, I'd say at most it was about a month, singular.

As far as the state of emergency, declaring it beforehand was a bad move but I don't think it was unnecessary. Various protest groups have outright stated their intent to "shut down Clayton." I've been handed flyers and things on the sidewalk that have pretty much been instructions to riot whatever the decision ends up being because even if Wilson is charged with murder it won't be the end.

St. Louis University has cots and supplies stacked in the basement of their student center to turn their ballrooms into a triage center. Businesses around the area started boarding up a week ago. All sides have pretty much already stated their intents to make this as bad as possible. Living here has been like sitting to wait out a hurricane or a really slow Kaiju attack.

 

[Victarion]

Sounds insane, redhawk. Has the looting and all been as bad as was reported early on in the story?

 

[Howlett]

Living here in St. Louis, I'd say at most it was about a month, singular.

As far as the state of emergency, declaring it beforehand was a bad move but I don't think it was unnecessary. Various protest groups have outright stated their intent to "shut down Clayton." I've been handed flyers and things on the sidewalk that have pretty much been instructions to riot whatever the decision ends up being because even if Wilson is charged with murder it won't be the end.

St. Louis University has cots and supplies stacked in the basement of their student center to turn their ballrooms into a triage center. Businesses around the area started boarding up a week ago. All sides have pretty much already stated their intents to make this as bad as possible. Living here has been like sitting to wait out a hurricane or a really slow Kaiju attack.

That's the huge problem. No one cares what the outcome is going to be, there is going to be a problem. "Because this case isn't even the real issue."

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

 

[Howlett]

Sounds insane, redhawk. Has the looting and all been as bad as was reported early on in the story?

Several businesses were looted, police were spit on and constantly screamed at and threatened for no reason. So anyone saying it's all peaceful protests is half right.

There are a lot of protesters peacefully protesting, but there are plenty who are stirring up riots.

 

[Victarion]

Riots as in physical violence, or does it stop at the threats and spitting? Also, are both sides stoking the flames in terms of the riots? I really find this all very fascinating, the way we can lay out Reason and grind our collective heel into Its Throat.

 

[Howlett]

Riots as in physical violence, or does it stop at the threats and spitting? Also, are both sides stoking the flames in terms of the riots? I really find this all very fascinating, the way we can lay out Reason and grind our collective heel into Its Throat.

Aside from looting...Throwing molotov cocktails, bottles and rocks at police I'd say is pretty violent.

Spitting and threatening to rape and kill officers' families is pretty bad also. But that's just me.

 

[RockSP]

Why not for both reasons?

Heh, exactly. Seems like the two would go hand in hand.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

People who instigate violence don't represent the vast majority of protesters.

But of course any looting will overshadow any legitimate protest and justify a police crackdown on 1st amendment rights (freedom of speech/press/assembly).

 

[Howlett]

People who instigate violence don't represent the vast majority of protesters.

But of course any looting will overshadow any legitimate protest and justify a police crackdown on 1st amendment rights (freedom of speech/press/assembly).

This is true sadly, but also what they are preparing for. Because looting is going to happen again most likely regardless of what the outcome is.