Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[Howlett]

And it's already started.
http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pi...o-set-off-bomb-during-protests-283555651.html

(KMOV.com) – Law enforcement sources are confirming to News 4 that two men were arrested in connection with a plot to explode pipe bombs during protests.
Authorities say the two men were arrested near Ferguson and were apprehended as part of an undercover operation and were arraigned in federal court Friday.

We will continue to follow this story and have more information as it becomes available.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Several businesses were looted, police were spit on and constantly screamed at and threatened for no reason. So anyone saying it's all peaceful protests is half right.

There are a lot of protesters peacefully protesting, but there are plenty who are stirring up riots.

I remember the police immediately went to defcon alert, and that seemingly stoked the flames. The police mishandled the situation from day one.

I would have spit and yelled at police officers for pointing assault rifles and sniper rifles at unarmed civilians during peaceful protesting.

There was no reason for them to do that. Pretending to be soldiers...

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

This is true sadly, but also what they are preparing for. Because looting is going to happen again most likely regardless of what the outcome is.

You think so?

Because the expectation of looting and the declaration of an emergency all seems like it's because everyone is expecting the officer will not be charged.

I mean, I guess one could argue that looters pretending to be supporters of the police officer would take advantage of the situation. But, everyone seems to think that the decision on this was made months ago.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't think there'd be much looting if he was indicted. No protests, no looting. You try looting when no one is protesting, see how well that goes.

 

[The Question]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...illed-148-feet-away-from-Darren-Wilson-s-SUV#

 

[chaseter]

Does that site also prove 9/11 theories?

 

[Breogan]

Does that site also prove 9/11 theories?

LOL!
The original report Jackson said about 35 yards, it's true somewhere along the line that got mislabeled as feet, which they unfortunately haven't issued a correction.
Probably cause it's so obvious.
They cordoned off more that area with tape right around the SUV and to Brown's body, with the media film and photo there for everyone to see, this isn't a conspiracy the police are building a case on. LOL!
Although that blogger outrageously tries to, it is funny how many are blindly referencing/linking to it.
(Not even mentioning we know the officer gave chase, so where the car was parked has less bearing on the distance between him and Brown when the final shots were fired.
To determine the distance what they should be looking at is the shell casings among other things, not where he parked the car.)

 

[redhawk23]

People who instigate violence don't represent the vast majority of protesters.

But of course any looting will overshadow any legitimate protest and justify a police crackdown on 1st amendment rights (freedom of speech/press/assembly).

#notallprotesters

Its more of a matter that enough are that it becomes perceived as a major problem.

Really though, there actually hasn't been that much damage or violence done, at least compared to past events.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch published this breakdown.

THROUGH TODAY THERE HAVE BEEN:

• Zero deaths.

• Zero police officers seriously injured.

• 37 St. Louis County police officers with minor injuries; zero requiring overnight hospitalization.

• About 20 civilians sent to hospitals from protest sites.

• One person shot and wounded by St. Louis County police officer on Aug. 13, after, police said, he pointed a gun at an officer.

• On Aug. 14, a man was surrounded by protesters and punched in the chest by one. An ambulance came to the scene. The victim’s identity and condition were unknown.

• 10 people injured during a high-speed chase that ended in a collision on Aug. 17. That night, two adults suffered gunshot wounds, and two children were treated for tear gas exposure; all were treated and released.

• On Aug. 19, three people were treated at hospitals, two for breathing difficulties and one for minor injuries.

• On Nov. 6, a college student was beaten at a protest planning meeting after some people accused him of using his smartphone to broadcast a meeting that was supposed to be private.

• 28 businesses were reported to have been burglarized on Aug. 10, the first night of unrest after the Brown shooting. Many had glass windows shattered: Sprint Store, McDonalds, Beauty Town, STL Cordless |Taco Bell, Walmart, Walgreens, Toys R Us |The Original Red’s BBQ, Family Dollar, St. Vincent de Paul Thrift Store, Ferguson Laundry| Metro PCS, Shoe Carnival, Zisser Tire & Auto, AutoZone, Foot Locker, Ross Dress for Less, Hibbett Sports, Kmart, DTLR Inc, Phillips 66, Meineke, Nu Fashion Beauty, Boost Mobile, Party City, Princess Beauty Supply/ Sam’s Meat Market and Liquor.

• One business in the city of St. Louis was burglarized in a targeted operation by looters on Aug. 11: Shoe Carnival.

• Insurance claims from property damage due to Ferguson protests reported to the state totaled $250,000 after the first month of unrest; one prominent local insurance adjuster who processed three claims on West Florissant Avenue estimated damages were no more than $5 million, which included $1 million to $1.5 million for the burned QuikTrip.

• By comparison, damage to property in the 2001 St. Louis hailstorm: $2 billion.

• And the 2012 St. Louis hailstorm: $1.2 billion.

• Another way of looking at it is that the two St. Louis weather events combined caused 640 times as much damage as the unrest after the Brown shooting so far.

• More perspective: In 1992, the damage to property in Los Angeles from riots and some 7,000 fires was about $1 billion.

• Windows broken in St. Louis during protests: 25, according to St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson.

• Flags stolen and burned in Shaw neighborhood after the VonDerrit Myers Jr. shooting: At least two.

• The Washington Post described Ferguson as “a burned-out symbol of racial and class divisions in America.”

• Number of buildings destroyed by fire: One.

• That was QuikTrip, hit by vandals Aug. 10. On Sept. 23, tension flared when a memorial to Brown burned. Someone poured gasoline around the outside of the Whistle Stop Café, a former train depot and a historic Ferguson site off South Florissant Road, and lit it on fire. The cafe had minor damage but never closed.

• Arrests: About 400.

• Why the disproportionate images of violence in St. Louis?

238 journalists receive daily updates from the St. Louis County police spokesman

 

[redhawk23]

I don't think there'd be much looting if he was indicted. No protests, no looting. You try looting when no one is protesting, see how well that goes.

That's pretty much been the stated intent around here though, a lot of talk of shutting down Clayton regardless of the outcome. As they say, even Zimmerman faced charges. This is only the beginning.

 

[SuperJediHero]

To me, I feel the Unexpected delaying of grand jury decision and order the military to show up ahead of time when they said they would made a decision by Friday, is MORE of an indication that they were gonna say the police officer is innocent.


Guess we will see, but I have a pretty sure feeling on that. Cuz it DOESN'T add up otherwise that if they actually find the police officer guilty, would it?



Another clue that kinda support this, is the officer resigning, note *resigning* instead of fired!

If this guy is really guilty, he wouldn't IMO just be able to quit, but he would be fired/terminated instead.

The 3rd clue, is that every major leader black or white are calling for calm. They probably have an idea of the outcome already when they said that.

I think they have already made a decision, which is the officer innocent, the mayor knows that, which is why he is ordering military for that reason, but they are just worried "Oh S***, a huge riot is about to happen cuz these protestors are NOT gonna like the truth!" I think they are just buying time to this impending violence.

Now, they are saying possibly on Monday, but trust me behind the scenes they are working frantically trying to see how they can contain this huge violence (Not just in Ferguson, but nationwide possibly)! If they don't come up with a smart plan, it won't come Monday either.

I honestly don't see any signs that say this officer will be found guilty.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

To me, I feel the Unexpected delaying of grand jury decision and order the military to show up ahead of time when they said they would made a decision by Friday, is MORE of an indication that they were gonna say the police officer is innocent.

Read:

That's pretty much been the stated intent around here though, a lot of talk of shutting down Clayton regardless of the outcome.

 

[SuperJediHero]

#notallprotesters

Its more of a matter that enough are that it becomes perceived as a major problem.

Really though, there actually hasn't been that much damage or violence done, at least compared to past events.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch published this breakdown.

Intentionally damaging any properties is a CRIME/WRONG, how much damage done is completely IRREVELANT!!!


The same goes for hurting some people. If you bully someone, it's wrong, you don't have to like physically attack or shot someone to hurt them for life, you know. The level of damage is just irrelevant!

 

[SuperJediHero]

Nope I absolutely don't believe it's a matter of regardless of the outcome... ONLY one outcome IMO requires this extreme caution! if the police being found guilty, I doubt very much is going to cause any violence and would be unnecessary for military intervention!

And, would you please read the part about him resigning instead of being terminated!

 

[redhawk23]

Intentionally damaging any properties is a CRIME/WRONG, how much damage done is completely IRREVELANT!!!


The same goes for hurting some people. If you bully someone, it's wrong, you don't have to like physically attack or shot someone to hurt them for life, you know. The level of damage is just irrelevant!

Damaging property is indeed terrible. You'll have no argument from me as every other building in my neighborhood boards their windows.

The point was that the early media presentation of the level of violence was largely exaggerated and that the police response was not exactly proportionate.

The worst police injuries have been those hit with their own gas.

 

[Schlosser85]

Uh, the level of hurting someone is irrelevant?

So someone should get the same punishment for slapping someone as for chopping them to pieces with a chainsaw?

 

[SuperJediHero]

I am not saying the charges and severely of sentencing is irrelevant, but whether it is Right or Wrong, that's irrelevant.

Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Like a criminal can't just say "Oh I only raped her, but I didn't kill her so why you all still treating me like I am one of the worst person?"

That's completely irrelevant.

 

[KevanG]

Uh, the level of hurting someone is irrelevant?

So someone should get the same punishment for slapping someone as for chopping them to pieces with a chainsaw?

Don't be ridiculous.

You don't chop with a chainsaw.

 

[SuperJediHero]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/23/media/ferguson-officer-wilson-interview/index.html


I think the one interesting thing I take from this article is that so many people would doubt, and feel that there is a huge conspiracy, and a bias, etc on the part of media when they do something like this.


Also I don't necessarily think this is clue #4 to the officer being found not guilty, but it could be. Does some of the media people already know the verdict but are not telling?

It's possible, but I am not so sure on this myself. I say not likely.


I think it's more of trying to get feelings from all sides kind of reporting than a clue of not guilty.

 

[Breogan]

I take from this article is that so many people would doubt, and feel that there is a huge conspiracy, and a bias, etc on the part of media

That's the biggest non story / non conspiracy- That reporters sought out Wilson to interview him?
Did anyone think reporters were not trying to get interviews with the cop?
Trying to get both sides.
They sought out and got interviews with Brown's parents and Brown's lawyers, Brown's autopsy analyst, etc...
Why wouldn't they try and get both sides?
Where is the conspiracy? Yes to make contact they do it off the record.
"That's how you ask for an interview," - Anderson Cooper
And most who met him, like Cooper weren't even granted interviews.
So yeah how are they bias or conspiring from this, trying to get the other side? I guess you can build a conspiracy around anything if you want.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do think these protestors need to pick their battles better.

Michael Brown was by all accounts a small time crook on his way to being a real criminal.

Meanwhile in Cleveland, police shot a 12 year old dead for having a toy gun.

Michael Brown is probably worst person you can find to be your poster child.

 

[C. Lee]

Meanwhile in Cleveland, police shot a 12 year old dead for having a toy gun.

But the gun was modified to look like a real one.

 

[SuperT]

Michael Brown was by all accounts a small time crook on his way to being a real criminal.

...and you know this how? That's like me saying a college girl who sleeps around a lot is on her way to being a prostitute.

 

[Thundercrack85]

He robbed a store and manhandled a clerk before he got into a fight with a police officer?

You know, typical behavior for an 18 year old.

Just like a college girl who gets around.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Today, I am actually questioning if the signs point to the police being innocent as I believed before.

The main reason is that today, there is nothing about "an urge for calm and peace" today from the mayor and the leaders there.

I am looking for signs to see what's it likely is but so far no fuss by the mayor and leaders at all yet.

It would make sense if the verdict is him to be not guilty, they will again stress on "Please be peaceful and no violence tolerated" speech today.

Maybe later...

 

[Morg]

But the gun was modified to look like a real one.

yep, the kid or someone removed the orange part from the gun making it look like the real thing and also the kid instead of putting his hands up in the air he reached for the gun instead.