Riots in Missouri - Part 2

[Kar]

Once again, do we REALLY know if Darren Wilson is a bad cop? People think he is, but where are all the other evidences other than he did this?

I am pretty sure I am NOT misinformed on that most evidences actually support his side the most!

You really believe Mike Brown ate all those bullets as he charged at Darren? Especially after there were witnesses who described the shooting? After the autopsy reports match how others claim they saw Mike gunned down: on his knees with his hands up?

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Were there deep racial undertones in those shootings in those areas? Or was that just gang violence? The unjust killing of an unarmed black youth which happens oh so often is going to draw way more attention than gangs in Chicago shooting each other like they've been doing for years.

This "one murder" is significant because we're being taken for idiots. A kid was shot dead and left in the street for hours, but Bob McColloch says that Darren Wilson didn't stand over Mike Brown's dead body all while there is a photo of Darren Wilson standing over Mike Brown's body floating on the internet. Its significant because they've been trying to implicate this boy in his own murder and hold him accountable. Meanwhile the cop has been on paid leave, received donations and just got married. Mike Brown's not going to ever do any of that now FOR NO REASON. He didn't have to die.

You lack even basic knowledge of what actually happened that day. Please stop repeating lies and inform yourself with the evidence that was given to the grand jury if you want to comment on the case.

Any point you try and makes holds absolutely zero credibility as long as you keep spewing lies related to the situation. Mike Brown wasn't executed, he was shot after charging at a police officer after strong arm robbing a convenience store and assaulting the owner.

 

[Destructus86]

I've never heard of the term Asian on Asian violence, or white on white violence, but for some reason black on black crime is a thing that people actually believe exists. We aren't killing each other because of the color of our skins.

It's just violence.

Exactly...and really it has to do with poor neighborhoods not getting the support they need. Very little community outreach and not a lot of effort put into the education system. When that happens people get desperate, they feel like there isn't any hope and they easily get mixed up in gangs and other force of criminal activity.

Instead of doing anything about it we would rather label it and then shove more and more people into our over crowded prisons...because it's easier to talk about it and hide it than it is to deal with it.

 

[SV Fan]

Any point you try and makes holds absolutely zero credibility as long as you keep spewing lies related to the situation. Mike Brown wasn't executed, he was shot after charging at a police officer after strong arm robbing a convenience store and assaulting the owner.

I think you forgot he looked like a Demon, and the 6'4 police officer felt like a 5 year old being beaten up by Hulk Hogan(actual testimony from Wilson)

 

[Scrandy Randy]

You really believe Mike Brown ate all those bullets as he charged at Darren? Especially after there were witnesses who described the shooting? After the autopsy reports match how others claim they saw Mike gunned down: on his knees with his hands up?

You're wrong again. Several of those witnesses have been discredited admitting they never even saw the scenario play out. Of course you didn't know that though because you didn't actually look at the evidence. Here's an exchange pulled directly from the evidence that was released by the grand jury-

"So, although you told the investigators this is what you saw even though you only heard it from someone, you don't feel you lied?"

"Nope."

"And what did you actually see."

"I saw Michael Brown on his knees begging for his life as the office stood over him from behind and put a bullet in his head from point blank range."

"And, given that the forensic evidence tells us otherwise, there's nothing about that testimony you would like to change?"

"Nope. Maybe the forensic evidence just saw it from a different perspective than I did."

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

No autopsy report ever corroborated those series of events either. I'd like to see a link showing that.

 

[Kar]

You lack even basic knowledge of what actually happened that day. Please stop repeating lies and inform yourself with the evidence that was given to the grand jury if you want to comment on the case.

Any point you try and makes holds absolutely zero credibility as long as you keep spewing lies related to the situation. Mike Brown wasn't executed, he was shot after charging at a police officer after strong arm robbing a convenience store and assaulting the owner.

....Ok.

"Great! I'm graduating high school and starting college tomorrow! Let me celebrate by holding up a convenience store....oh **** a cop's here. Let me tussle with him and steal his gun, maybe I can shoot him...nope, I'm gonna run off, he's shooting at me. Nah, on second thought, I'm the Hulk. I'll just charge at him and teach him a lesson."


This is the story you all believe.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

I think you forgot he looked like a Demon, and the 6'4 police officer felt like a 5 year old being beaten up by Hulk Hogan(actual testimony from Wilson)

That's irrelevant. That doesn't at all make it okay that Mike Brown attacked Darren Wilson. In fact I can play the same game, Darren Wilson said Mike Brown told him this - "You're too much of a ***** to shoot me." during their exchange.

source - http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgr...ets/interviews/interview-po-darren-wilson.pdf

 

[SuperJediHero]

Especially after there were witnesses

Let me stop you here, the FACT is a lot of these so called witnesses lied. Anyone follow this closely should already know this.


However, NO fact AT ALL that Wilson lied, but these witnesses lied IS indeed actually a FACT!

 

[Scrandy Randy]

....Ok.

"Great! I'm graduating high school and starting college tomorrow! Let me celebrate by holding up a convenience store....oh **** a cop's here. Let me tussle with him and steal his gun, maybe I can shoot him...nope, I'm gonna run off, he's shooting at me. Nah, on second thought, I'm the Hulk. I'll just charge at him and teach him a lesson."


This is the story you all believe.

Yes because this is the story all of the physical factual evidence we have to go on shows. I've yet to see you post anything to refute that.

 

[SV Fan]

That's irrelevant. That doesn't at all make it okay that Mike Brown attacked Darren Wilson. In fact I can play the same game, Darren Wilson said Mike Brown told him this - "You're too much of a ***** to shoot me." during their exchange.

A good prosecutor would have called out those comments, not just let them go. Just think how stupid it is for a 6'4 Police officer to feel like a 5 year old being beaten up by Hulk Hogan, unless he was referring to current version of Hogan who is a walking cripple in which case I would have a bunch of other questions

 

[Docker2.0]

I think anyone of any race or nationality or whatever has to learn to cut it back some or they will be labeled "angry" or "outspoken". Anyone who complains all the time will be known as the complainer....it's the way of the world.

I agree but when you start to hear the complaint from different people then there is a problem. It's one thing to say that ghetto hoodrats are lazy and cry racism about the dumbest of things but it's another when you have college professors saying the same thing.

Yeah that's totally what I was saying.

That's exactly what you said.

 

[Kar]

You're wrong again. Several of those witnesses have been discredited admitting they never even saw the scenario play out. Of course you didn't know that though because you didn't actually look at the evidence. Here's an exchange pulled directly from the evidence that was released by the grand jury-



http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

No autopsy report ever corroborated those series of events either. I'd like to see a link showing that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHhlu-IqVw

This is just one of the videos. All the other ones I watched were on MSNBC a few months ago.

 

[Kar]

I see why I stayed out of this thread.

But everyone's entitled to their own beliefs/opinions. Whatever.

"Darren Wilson said it, so it must be true!" is all i'm hearing. The cops down Ferguson haven't been the most honest during this whole ordeal, but for some reason Darren "I Will Say Whatever It Takes To Save My Ass" Wilson is telling the 100% truth.

Again, yall are entitled to your beliefs.

 

[SuperT]

The double standards by the liberal media is disgusting.

Guess what, I'd bet all the money in the world that in 99% of those cases the perpetrator went to jail and justice was rightfully served. Got anything to prove that the majority of them got off scott free? Please share with us otherwise your post is pointless.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHhlu-IqVw

This is just one of the videos. All the other ones I watched were on MSNBC a few months ago.

Ahhh yes an "independent autopsy" done under the guise of the same lawyer who was involved in the Trayvon Martin case. No bias here right? What do the relevant autopsies done by the federal and county authorities say? You know the ones that actually matter. They corroborated Darren Wilson's series of events.

 

[SV Fan]

Guess what - I'd bet all the money in the world that in 99% of those case the perpetrator went to jail.

Got anything to prove that the majority of them got off scott free? Please share with us.

To be honest I would settle for one instance, because then he is making a similar comparison

 

[SuperJediHero]

When you have a prosecutor who seemed to half ass the indictment, is it really hard to see how Wilson got off going to trial. The prosecutor should not have taken the case when there was alot of questions surrounding him

That may be curious, but it definitely doesn't prove a thing!


Facts and evidences has nothing to do with "What ifs" and Hmmmms, like that. If you can not proof anything, it's won't matter.

 

[craigdbfan]

....Ok.

"Great! I'm graduating high school and starting college tomorrow! Let me celebrate by holding up a convenience store....oh **** a cop's here. Let me tussle with him and steal his gun, maybe I can shoot him...nope, I'm gonna run off, he's shooting at me. Nah, on second thought, I'm the Hulk. I'll just charge at him and teach him a lesson."


This is the story you all believe.

He was dumb enough to strong arm a convenience store, I wouldn't doubt for a second that he thought he could strong arm a police officer that he viewed as a "*****".

He bit off more than he could chew that day.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

A good prosecutor would have called out those comments, not just let them go. Just think how stupid it is for a 6'4 Police officer to feel like a 5 year old being beaten up by Hulk Hogan, unless he was referring to current version of Hogan who is a walking cripple in which case I would have a bunch of other questions

No he wouldn't because a good prosecutor would realize that comments made in the heat of the moment are irrelevant when deciding if Wilson should be indicted. What actually matters are the physical events that took place on that day.

 

[Destructus86]

Here is a good run down of what happened based on everything we know

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-brown-shooting-ten-things-we-know--or-know-better-now-the-ferguson-grand-jurys-work-is-over-9881046.html

 

[SuperJediHero]

I see why I stayed out of this thread.

But everyone's entitled to their own beliefs/opinions. Whatever.

"Darren Wilson said it, so it must be true!" is all i'm hearing. The cops down Ferguson haven't been the most honest during this whole ordeal, but for some reason Darren "I Will Say Whatever It Takes To Save My Ass" Wilson is telling the 100% truth.

Again, yall are entitled to your beliefs.

NO It's NOT because Darren Wilson said it so it must be true, but that there are not much evidences that's actually AGAINST him!


FACTS! EVIDENCES! NOT Heresy!

 

[SV Fan]

No he wouldn't because a good prosecutor would realize that comments made in the heat of the moment are irrelevant when deciding if Wilson should be indicted. What actually matters are the physical events that took place on that day.

In the case of calling him a Demon, it shows the mental mindset of Mike Wilson. In the case of Hulk Hogan vs 5 year old, that is a point you can try pick holes into his testimony of being "over powered"

 

[Docker2.0]

Were there deep racial undertones in those shootings in those areas? Or was that just gang violence? The unjust killing of an unarmed black youth which happens oh so often is going to draw way more attention than gangs in Chicago shooting each other like they've been doing for years.

This "one murder" is significant because we're being taken for idiots. A kid was shot dead and left in the street for hours, but Bob McColloch says that Darren Wilson didn't stand over Mike Brown's dead body all while there is a photo of Darren Wilson standing over Mike Brown's body floating on the internet. Its significant because they've been trying to implicate this boy in his own murder and hold him accountable. Meanwhile the cop has been on paid leave, received donations and just got married. Mike Brown's not going to ever do any of that now FOR NO REASON. He didn't have to die.

I feel what you are saying but again, if he would have acted civilized this wouldn't have happened. The witnesses that saw it were so quick to just get any "pig" in trouble that they couldn't even corraborate their story. I'm sure mistakes were made and the only people that really know what happened are Brown and Wilson but there isn't enough evidence there to convict the cop.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Let me stop you here, the FACT is a lot of these so called witnesses lied. Anyone follow this closely should already know this.


However, NO fact AT ALL that Wilson lied, but these witnesses lied IS indeed actually a FACT!

And therein lies the issue. The people that flat out lied in their testimony to see a certain outcome, cloud the issue and actual eye-witness testimony looks more suspect especially if there is missing/incomplete evidence.

As someone who did trial law for a few years, I can tell you this is the absolute WORST thing you can do (perjury aside) in trying to "help" someone in a case like this.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

In the case of calling him a Demon, it shows the mental mindset of Mike Wilson. In the case of Hulk Hogan vs 5 year old, that is a point you can try pick holes into his testimony of being "over powered"

So your argument for an indictment would be "We need to look further into Wilson's mindset that day because he referred to Brown as a demon and Hulk Hogan"...?

Yeah... call me crazy but I don't think that reason carries enough weight to warrant an indictment.