Riots in Missouri - Part 2

[SuperJediHero]

....Ok.

"Great! I'm graduating high school and starting college tomorrow! Let me celebrate by holding up a convenience store....oh **** a cop's here. Let me tussle with him and steal his gun, maybe I can shoot him...nope, I'm gonna run off, he's shooting at me. Nah, on second thought, I'm the Hulk. I'll just charge at him and teach him a lesson."


This is the story you all believe.

That's irrelevant, any stories can happen these days. Too much strange things going on in this world to be ignorantly thinking "This or that can't happen. What are the chances?"

That's an ignorant view of things!

What matters in the end are evidences and facts, again!

 

[Kar]

He was dumb enough to strong arm a convenience store, I wouldn't doubt for a second that he thought he could strong arm a police officer that he viewed as a "*****".

He bit off more than he could chew that day.

Take it from me: no BLACK man in this day and age is strong arming an ARMED cop. We get killed for way less.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Were there deep racial undertones in those shootings in those areas? Or was that just gang violence? The unjust killing of an unarmed black youth which happens oh so often is going to draw way more attention than gangs in Chicago shooting each other like they've been doing for years.

This "one murder" is significant because we're being taken for idiots. A kid was shot dead and left in the street for hours, but Bob McColloch says that Darren Wilson didn't stand over Mike Brown's dead body all while there is a photo of Darren Wilson standing over Mike Brown's body floating on the internet. Its significant because they've been trying to implicate this boy in his own murder and hold him accountable. Meanwhile the cop has been on paid leave, received donations and just got married. Mike Brown's not going to ever do any of that now FOR NO REASON. He didn't have to die.

Pretty sure that MCCullough said that Officer Wilson did not stand over Brown's body and continue to shoot him, as some witnesses originally stated.

You really believe Mike Brown ate all those bullets as he charged at Darren? Especially after there were witnesses who described the shooting? After the autopsy reports match how others claim they saw Mike gunned down: on his knees with his hands up?

That is not what the autopsy showed and multiple witnesses who stated that either retracted or edited their statements of Brown having his hands up.

He was dumb enough to strong arm a convenience store, I wouldn't doubt for a second that he thought he could strong arm a police officer that he viewed as a "*****".

He bit off more than he could chew that day.

The convenience store robbery definitely showed a taste of what Brown was capable of.

 

[SV Fan]

So your argument for an indictment would be "We need to look further into Wilson's mindset that day because he referred to Brown as a demon and Hulk Hogan"...?

No I believe the prosecutor didn't do his due diligence trying to do everything he can to get to the bottom of the issue, letting little things that potentially could turn into bigger things by the wayside.

Yeah... call me crazy but I don't think that reason carries enough weight to warrant an indictment.

Where did I say that, you are taking my words out of context. As I stated above the fact he didn't push those things to try find holes in his argument tells me he half assed the case.

Here is a good run down of what happened based on everything we know

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...erguson-grand-jurys-work-is-over-9881046.html

If I didn't know better it seems like St Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch was working defense for Mike Wilson given all his comments

 

[Slushy]

Here go rev al sharpton's ass.. I wonder if he gone promote his Slickback Grease? I hope in his speech he doesn't start promoting his book. Always got to be all up in the videos all in the pictures. Man, dude is the biggest opportunist of all. Tired of this dude yo. Go sit your ass down. The young folks don't care what you got to say.

If life was fair, Al Sharpton would be arrested on federal charges for inciting rioting. He is no different than a terrorist trying to attack America. He just lives here.

 

[RockSP]

That's an ignorant view of things!

...too easy.

 

[C. Lee]

I see why I stayed out of this thread.

But everyone's entitled to their own beliefs/opinions. Whatever.

"Darren Wilson said it, so it must be true!" is all i'm hearing. The cops down Ferguson haven't been the most honest during this whole ordeal, but for some reason Darren "I Will Say Whatever It Takes To Save My Ass" Wilson is telling the 100% truth.

Again, yall are entitled to your beliefs.

No....what we have is -

Some say Wilson did no wrong...
Some say Wilson did everything wrong...
Some say Brown did no wrong...
Some say Brown did everything wrong...
Some say they both did wrong in some way...
Some say all cops are corrupt killers...
Some say the cops did nothing wrong...
Some say the black community are rioting extremists...
Some say the black community are only expressing their anger at years of mistreatment...
Some say that both groups have good and bad among them and only the worst are getting press...


In other words.....extremists exist on both sides, calm heads exist on both sides....but people only hear the extremists.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Darren Wilson is a GOOD cop who acted in self-defense, UNTIL PROVEN otherwise by the justice system, which last night decided that he was not guilty of much.

But let me just say it again, there aren't much evidences that's actually against him. Which is going to be hard to anybody want him found guilty to be proven guilty! For people that want him to be guilty, has to somehow find these evidences, if they exist.


If you disagree with this justice system, and want to somehow make it more right. It's not accomplished by just protesting and certainly NOT by any stupid and lame violent acts!

Maybe get yourself more educated, and put yourself into a leadership position in the future so you can change it someday!

 

[Kar]

No....what we have is -

Some say Wilson did no wrong...
Some say Wilson did everything wrong...
Some say Brown did no wrong...
Some say Brown did everything wrong...
Some say they both did wrong in some way...
Some say all cops are corrupt killers...
Some say the cops did nothing wrong...
Some say the black community are rioting extremists...
Some say the black community are only expressing their anger at years of mistreatment...
Some say that both groups have good and bad among them and only the worst are getting press...


In other words.....extremists exist on both sides, calm heads exist on both sides....but people only hear the extremists.

True.

 

[Scrandy Randy]

Here's another excerpt from the released evidence from a witness account that the grand jury found no fault with-

"The cop just stood there dang if that kid didn't start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down. I heard 3 bangs but the big kid wouldn't stop."

source: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgr...e/assets/reports/witness-40-journal-entry.pdf

That doesn't really line up with Mike Brown being killed execution style.

 

[Kelly]

Except that the prosecutor said there were around 60 witnesses and a lot of them contradicted each other or said that's just what they heard other people saw. Look into ALL of the facts of the case, not just the limited ones that fit what you want to see.

I began reading some of eyewitness accounts last night from the Grand Jury, some of those people I cannot see how the investigators stayed calm, they had no clue, there were a few it was obvious they saw nothing. Still working my way through them...

On another note, just saw a video of Brown's mother making a statement last night. Above everything else, my heart goes out to her, so very sad.

 

[Feenix]

Take it from me: no BLACK man in this day and age is strong arming an ARMED cop. We get killed for way less.

There is no way you can say that for sure. You sure as hell do not speak for the entire black community.

 

[Erzengel]

He could have been indicted and still been found not guilty. I'm sure there would be people who would still say justice wasn't served.

 

[cronosred]

That's exactly what you said.

No what I was saying is that other races get generalized by the actions of a few as well, it's not just black people. Also I don't recall a race getting blamed for any of the numerous school shootings.

 

[Howlett]

....Ok.

"Great! I'm graduating high school and starting college tomorrow! Let me celebrate by holding up a convenience store....oh **** a cop's here. Let me tussle with him and steal his gun, maybe I can shoot him...nope, I'm gonna run off, he's shooting at me. Nah, on second thought, I'm the Hulk. I'll just charge at him and teach him a lesson."


This is the story you all believe.

Well, the fact is he did rob a convenience store. It's on camera. The fact is there was some kind of struggle in or on the car. Almost all of the witnesses and all of the evidence (gun shot holes and residue)supports this. Most of the witnesses(the ones who weren't discounted for clearly lying or saying they only heard what happened from someone else) say he did charge the officer. He was aggressive at the store for no reason, he could have easily been aggressive again after attacking the officer the first time already. I don't know why he did that, but that is what the evidence and most witnesses suggest happened, and is the most likely scenario.

The story you want to believe is that a blood thirsty racist cop(with not a single complaint on his record)just one day out of the blue decided to go hunting black kids for no reason, then he decided to execute this kid in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

THAT doesn't make any sense and doesn't support the evidence in this case either.

 

[craigdbfan]

Well, the fact is he did rob a convenience store. It's on camera. The fact is there was some kind of struggle in or on the car. Almost all of the witnesses and all of the evidence (gun shot holes and residue)supports this. Most of the witnesses(the ones who weren't discounted for clearly lying or saying they only heard what happened from someone else) say he did charge the officer. He was aggressive at the store for no reason, he could have easily been aggressive again after attacking the officer the first time already. I don't know why he did that, but that is what the evidence and most witnesses suggest happened, and is the most likely scenario.

The story you want to believe is that a blood thirsty racist cop(with not a single complaint on his record)just one day out of the blue decided to go hunting black kids for no reason, then he decided to execute this kid in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

THAT doesn't make any sense and doesn't support the evidence in this case either.

Exactly.

Wilson had everything to lose for randomly killing someone in broad daylight in front of people.

Like you said all the evidence of that day shows that Brown was paving his way towards death. As harsh as that sounds that's the truth as supported by video footage, forensics and credible eye witness reports.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think some people in this thread are confused about the outrage, and it not being about white people killing black people. It's about more than that...and I think some of you aren't seeing that. All you're seeing is whites v blacks...and it's not about that. That's not what the outrage is about.

For those mentioning Zimmerman, and how he wasn't a cop...well, that mother****er walked, so are you really amazed people are pissed about that? Really???

Governor Nixon is on tv talking now, and he ought to apologize. Why he didn't deploy the National Guard last night is beyond me.

 

[Kelly]

....Ok.

"Great! I'm graduating high school and starting college tomorrow! Let me celebrate by holding up a convenience store....oh **** a cop's here. Let me tussle with him and steal his gun, maybe I can shoot him...nope, I'm gonna run off, he's shooting at me. Nah, on second thought, I'm the Hulk. I'll just charge at him and teach him a lesson."


This is the story you all believe.

It is very obvious that you have watched a lot of TV, but you have not actually read the eyewitness accounts of what happened, or read the official autopsies.

 

[Slushy]

Ironically, most of the thugs in question couldn't care less for Michael Brown. They're just using it as an excuse to pillage and plunder.

 

[Kelly]

I think some people in this thread are confused about the outrage, and it not being about white people killing black people. It's about more than that...and I think some of you aren't seeing that. All you're seeing is whites v blacks...and it's not about that. That's not what the outrage is about.

For those mentioning Zimmerman, and how he wasn't a cop...well, that mother****er walked, so are you really amazed people are pissed about that? Really???

People definitely should be mad, but be mad at the DA for putting forth the wrong charges....IMO, having watched an enormous amount of that trial, the jury made the right call.....the DA did not.

 

[Human Torch]

I've gone out of my way to stay away from this story.So I'm not here to say the cop was wrong/the kid was wrong or whatever.

I only want to say there is no excuse for these thugs and malcontents rioting.None whatsoever.

This ain't the 1960's.You're not protesting because the "white man" has all the power.There were three black people on the grand jury.The President of the U.S. is black.A black man is "The Man".So stop hiding behind being a thug as some kinda "honorable protest." You dishonor the memory of people who had protested as victims of actual racism.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ironically, most of the thugs in question couldn't care less for Michael Brown. They're just using it as an excuse to pillage and plunder.

Yes, I really think that's the case.

And really...they had all the time to prepare for mayhem, because everyone from the prosecutors office to the governor provided a type of countdown.

 

[Kar]

Well, the fact is he did rob a convenience store. It's on camera. The fact is there was some kind of struggle in or on the car. Almost all of the witnesses and all of the evidence (gun shot holes and residue)supports this. Most of the witnesses(the ones who weren't discounted for clearly lying or saying they only heard what happened from someone else) say he did charge the officer. He was aggressive at the store for no reason, he could have easily been aggressive again after attacking the officer the first time already. I don't know why he did that, but that is what the evidence and most witnesses suggest happened, and is the most likely scenario.

The story you want to believe is that a blood thirsty racist cop(with not a single complaint on his record)just one day out of the blue decided to go hunting black kids for no reason, then he decided to execute this kid in the middle of the street in broad daylight.

THAT doesn't make any sense and doesn't support the evidence in this case either.

Nah I'm not trying to say that the cop just woke up and went on a shooting spree. I'm not denying there was some sort of confrontation. Not arguing the store footage.

My main point right here is: did he deserve to die? I've shoplifted before. Plenty of people have stolen or gotten into it with a cop, but did Darren Wilson really feel that threatened that he gunned him down and take his life? Photos of him were taken after the altercation he had with Mike Brown. This looks like a guy that was beaten so badly that he had to shoot a kid?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-darren-wilsons-injury-061427648--politics.html

I'm really not trying to argue or get you guys to see things differently cause its impossible, which is fine. That's the way **** works. But did Mike Brown deserve to die?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

People definitely should be mad, but be mad at the DA for putting forth the wrong charges....IMO, having watched an enormous amount of that trial, the jury made the right call.....the DA did not.

True.

And I don't think the rage is specifically at the DA, when it should be. I think him walking just adds to the overall narrative for people who don't pay attention to the details.

But, you're right.

 

[Kar]

It is very obvious that you have watched a lot of TV, but you have not actually read the eyewitness accounts of what happened, or read the official autopsies.

I've read accounts, and alot of them are different. I've listened to Darren Wilson's girlfriend's friend give her side of the story too which matches Darren's story.