Riots in Missouri - Part 2

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Kar said:
I've shoplifted before. Plenty of people have stolen or gotten into it with a cop
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I'm 57....never shoplifted, never stole, never gotten into it with a cop.
 
Kar said:
Nah I'm not trying to say that the cop just woke up and went on a shooting spree. I'm not denying there was some sort of confrontation. Not arguing the store footage.

My main point right here is: did he deserve to die? I've shoplifted before. Plenty of people have stolen or gotten into it with a cop, but did Darren Wilson really feel that threatened that he gunned him down and take his life? Photos of him were taken after the altercation he had with Mike Brown. This looks like a guy that was beaten so badly that he had to shoot a kid?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-darren-wilsons-injury-061427648--politics.html

I'm really not trying to argue or get you guys to see things differently cause its impossible, which is fine. That's the way **** works. But did Mike Brown deserve to die?
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Makes you wonder who floated the story of the cop having a fractured eye socket that gained so much traction in the media.
 
Human Torch said:
This ain't the 1960's.You're not protesting because the "white man" has all the power.There were three black people on the grand jury.The President of the U.S. is black.A black man is "The Man".So stop hiding behind being a thug as some kinda "honorable protest."
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This has got to be the most naive, ill-informed response I've seen in this thread to date.

Someone already pointed this out in this thread, but this Mike Brown incident is certainly not the only thing that's leading to the hurt and anger in the African-American community. This is stuff that has been culminating for years now and is only beginning to really bubble up to the surface.

I like how you also relied on the tried and true "Our President is black now. There were black people on the jury get over it." What in the hell do those two things have to do with anything?! Does that magically erase racism!? There were only THREE African-Americans on a jury of twelve (six of them caucasian males). Ferguson, from last checked, is 67% African-American. How does that even reflect the community at all?
 
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Kar said:
Nah I'm not trying to say that the cop just woke up and went on a shooting spree. I'm not denying there was some sort of confrontation. Not arguing the store footage.

My main point right here is: did he deserve to die? I've shoplifted before. Plenty of people have stolen or gotten into it with a cop, but did Darren Wilson really feel that threatened that he gunned him down and take his life? Photos of him were taken after the altercation he had with Mike Brown. This looks like a guy that was beaten so badly that he had to shoot a kid?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-darren-wilsons-injury-061427648--politics.html

I'm really not trying to argue or get you guys to see things differently cause its impossible, which is fine. That's the way **** works. But did Mike Brown deserve to die?
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Nobody is saying that Brown deserved to die because of the strong arm robbery (please don't confuse what he did with shoplifting). According to the grand jury, yes, Officer Wilson was threatened enough to use deadly force against Brown.
 
Human Torch said:
I've gone out of my way to stay away from this story.So I'm not here to say the cop was wrong/the kid was wrong or whatever.

I only want to say there is no excuse for these thugs and malcontents rioting.None whatsoever.

This ain't the 1960's.You're not protesting because the "white man" has all the power.There were three black people on the grand jury.The President of the U.S. is black.A black man is "The Man".So stop hiding behind being a thug as some kinda "honorable protest." You dishonor the memory of people who had protested as victims of actual racism.
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I would say that the people who got violent last night didn't do it for that. Not to "fight the man" or anything.

The peaceful protests that have been occurring for months, and around the country are about more than..."fighting the white man"....or something to that effect. No idea whose hiding behind the "honorable protest" either, too.

I don't believe that just because our President is a black man, that now racism is "over", either. If anything, seeing how the President gets treated by some...seems to reaffirm how alive it still is.
 
oh great. Protestor blocking the shoreway here in Cleveland, good way getting shot by a driver being pissed off you idiots
 
Kar said:
Nah I'm not trying to say that the cop just woke up and went on a shooting spree. I'm not denying there was some sort of confrontation. Not arguing the store footage.

My main point right here is: did he deserve to die? I've shoplifted before. Plenty of people have stolen or gotten into it with a cop, but did Darren Wilson really feel that threatened that he gunned him down and take his life? Photos of him were taken after the altercation he had with Mike Brown. This looks like a guy that was beaten so badly that he had to shoot a kid?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-darren-wilsons-injury-061427648--politics.html

I'm really not trying to argue or get you guys to see things differently cause its impossible, which is fine. That's the way **** works. But did Mike Brown deserve to die?
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Did he deserve to die? No. Probably not. Could he have made better decisions to avoid being put into a position where he could be injured or possibly killed? Absolutely.

Did Darren Wilson fear for his life? It's hard to say what degree of a beating a person has to receive to fear for their life, and then factor in the attacker was allegedly grabbing for his gun. On top of the fear that an officer goes to work every day knowing they could be killed on the job. It's dangerous. That's scary.

Things happen very fast in those types of situations. Could he have not killed Mike Brown? Maybe. What if he hadn't stopped Mike from charging at him(his self described fear in this situation)? He could have possibly had the gun wrestled away and been killed this time if Mike got close enough again. (And he didn't have a tazer so that wasn't an option even if he was quick thinking enough to try it)
 
SuperT said:
This has got to be the most naive, ill-informed response I've seen in this thread to date.

Someone already pointed this out in this thread, but this Mike Brown incident is certainly not the only thing that's leading to the hurt and anger in the African-American community. This is stuff that has been culminating for years now and is only beginning to really bubble up to the surface.

I like how you also relied on the tried and true "Our President is black now. There were black people on the jury get over it." What in the hell do those two things have to do with anything?! Does that magically erase racism!? There were only THREE African-Americans on a jury of twelve (six of them caucasian males). Ferguson, from last checked, is 67% African-American. How does that even reflect the community at all?
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What I'm saying is that these malcontents hide behind rioting as some kinda time honored tradition. "It's what we do when things don't go our way." That's nothing at all like what the original civil rights protests were about.

I mean,you would think that having a black president would show the country doesn't have a pre-60's mentality when it comes to race.But it still all comes back to "Let's stick it to the man." Uh,hello.It's 2014. The Man is black.
 
 
But it was a COP car. That's much more important. :o
 
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Thank you for this. I went to Michigan State University, I was in/saw two riots while attending there with couches and god knows what else burning and never once were those incidents used to generalize an entire population like people are doing with Ferguson. They were just blown off as college kids getting too rowdy.
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
I would say that the people who got violent last night didn't do it for that. Not to "fight the man" or anything.

The peaceful protests that have been occurring for months, and around the country are about more than..."fighting the white man"....or something to that effect. No idea whose hiding behind the "honorable protest" either, too.

I don't believe that just because our President is a black man, that now racism is "over", either. If anything, seeing how the President gets treated by some...seems to reaffirm how alive it still is.
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Racism will never be over,so long as Mankind lives. There's always going to be some who hate their fellow man for no justifiable reason.(That's Man's sin nature that goes back to the first murder itself) But I don't think the country as a whole is Racist. That's what I mean about a Black President.He wouldn't have been elected without a strong white vote. I don't think race is the issue people make it out to be in most cases.
 
cronosred said:
No what I was saying is that other races get generalized by the actions of a few as well, it's not just black people. Also I don't recall a race getting blamed for any of the numerous school shootings.
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That's exactly my point! When a white kids shoots up a school, you don't hear "white people are savages" or things like that. You hear the "mental illness" thing, which it is. But when black people do something, you hear "they are all savages and need to be put down" or blah, blah, blah. An entire race is not bad. And I've heard it about blacks more than any other race.
 
wow, still blocking the shoreway. Damn surprised no drivers have run over them or take a pot shot. Do know drivers around Cleveland have plenty of morons you don't want to be get pissed off at

what's the point of blocking traffic?? people want to get home/work or something

hope theirs no emergency ambulance that needs to go that way
 
ABC interviewed Darren Wilson apparently, for anyone that wants to watch it. I think they're airing some parts of it tonight. Not sure of the time, I'll be back with that.
 
Human Torch said:
Racism will never be over,so long as Mankind lives. There's always going to be some who hate their fellow man for no justifiable reason.(That's Man's sin nature that goes back to the first murder itself) But I don't think the country as a whole is Racist. That's what I mean about a Black President.He wouldn't have been elected without a strong white vote. I don't think race is the issue people make it out to be in most cases.
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Nobody thinks the country as a whole is racist.

But, there is something wrong when so many minorities are shot and killed by law enforcement at such a disproportionate rate. Living in New York, it's constantly happening, and being someone who had to deal with the stupid Stop and Frisk policy.

I'm kinda surprised that the people who freak out about the federal government being crazy and power hungry are letting the local governments slide on alot of these shootings that occur with unarmed people.
 
Kar said:
ABC interviewed Darren Wilson apparently, for anyone that wants to watch it. I think they're airing some parts of it tonight. Not sure of the time, I'll be back with that.
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Hmmm. Weird he didn't go with Fox News.

It's really strange hearing some of Wilson's testimony. He said he was afraid that a "third punch" could kill him. He was afraid that a punch would kill him? A punch? Seems odd when you consider that both men were the same height. How is someone who is afraid like that allowed to be a police officer? Seems really...pathetic.
 
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Docker2.0 said:
That's exactly my point! When a white kids shoots up a school, you don't hear "white people are savages" or things like that. You hear the "mental illness" thing, which it is. But when black people do something, you hear "they are all savages and need to be put down" or blah, blah, blah. An entire race is not bad. And I've heard it about blacks more than any other race.
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I've heard a few people comment that school/public shootings are a "crazy white boy thing". So I wouldn't say the association has gone unnoticed, it's just not that discussed.
 
Morg said:
they also looted that store where Brown robbed it
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Yeah, there was something eerie about that, considering that it was ultimately there that everything pretty much began.

DeadPresident said:
I've heard a few people comment that school/public shootings are a "crazy white boy thing". So I wouldn't say the association has gone unnoticed, it's just not that discussed.
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I've seen the criticism that always goes to mental illness and how "nice" and "quiet" they're described. The criticism seems to be fair to me, when you consider how much worse those crimes ultimately are.


Pink Ranger said:
I am of several minority groups (including Asian), but never, ever in my life did my parents have to sit me down and teach me down to the most minute detail how to act in the presence of a police officer. I am talking of down to the level of never making sudden movements, never raising your voice above a certain level, never breaking eye contact, etc. It bothers me that this is the social reality for black American men. The fact that this is apparently a necessary part of growing up a black male in America says to me that something is very fundamentally wrong with that country still.

That stated, I do believe this shooting was justified based on the evidence I have heard, and that turning Michael Brown into a folk hero is a bit of an ill-conceived notion.
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I would hope nobody considers Brown a hero, and I think it's fair to say that he's not considered a folk hero by most. I would say that Trayvon Martin is considered moreso than Brown, and rightfully so.

I do think that Brown's strongarm robbery puts him in a different light...but doesn't really justify what happened. I guess I'd look at it like the photos of Officer Wilson's non-injuries, and how the context of it all should be accounted for.

I would really hope nobody consider Brown a hero, though. It seems like it's been a culmination of a lot of things all coming together.
 
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