The Rise of Skywalker Rise of Skywalker Leaks and Spoilers thread

[Filmfan93]

Seen TROS twice and was thinking in how many ways the film retcons TLJ:

- Snoke is a mere clone Palps created.
- Luke is back to his old, hopeful self (which all of us thought would be the case after TFA's ending).
- The Knights of Ren are back.
- Turns out Luke was searching for the Sith wayfinder AND he also knew that Rey was a Palpatine. This contradicts TLJ as he was just sitting on Ahch-To the whole film and also asked Rey multiple times who she was.
- Rey's Palpatine parentage and childhood flashbacks bode well directly with TFA and completely ignore the "she's a nobody" idea from TLJ.

 

[Schlosser85]

So, is there any explanation at all of Palpatine fathering children, who Rey's parents were, etc.?

 

[Limonade]

So, is there any explanation at all of Palpatine fathering children, who Rey's parents were, etc.?

It must've been during his days being a part of the Senate...

... unless he used midi-chlorians to inseminate another lady in which she also gavel birth as a virgin.

Like--where were those kids all this time?

 

[Gothamsknight]

Seen TROS twice and was thinking in how many ways the film retcons TLJ:

- Snoke is a mere clone Palps created.
- Luke is back to his old, hopeful self (which all of us thought would be the case after TFA's ending).
- The Knights of Ren are back.
- Turns out Luke was searching for the Sith wayfinder AND he also knew that Rey was a Palpatine. This contradicts TLJ as he was just sitting on Ahch-To the whole film and also asked Rey multiple times who she was.
- Rey's Palpatine parentage and childhood flashbacks bode well directly with TFA and completely ignore the "she's a nobody" idea from TLJ.

Would you say that its as good as the force awakens? or satisfying?

 

[jaqua99]

You basically summarized the whole problem with the sequel trilogy. Vader's conversion is made completely irrelevant. Luke is pretty much a failure, because his new Jedi Order is eradicated only 30 years after it started, while the first Jedi order lasted 1000 generations.

Boom boom boom.

There it is. Most true fans I think will consider the sequel trilogy a loose cannon.

 

[Detective Conan]

I just don’t buy Palpatine fathering children. I think that needlessly humanizes him in a way that doesn’t fit the mysterious monster he’s always been. It’s kind of like having The Joker have kids.

Having Rey being related to the Emperor in any way feels cheap and unearned. Then again, I could easily say the same thing about the idea of Leia being Luke’s sister and ROTJ is a movie I like so maybe it all depends on execution.

 

[Tg11]

But I don't get how Palpatine is even Rey's grandfather...like I wasn't even aware Palpatine even had children much less a son or a daughter who could have been Rey's mother or father or better yet why he would want his own granddaughter dead. I would think he would want her trained as a Sith or at the very least turned over to the Dark Side seeing as how she is his family.

 

[Tg11]

Ben Solo dying was always inevitable but in my opinion he was past redemption...the man killed his own father and tried to kill his mother. Not to mention he killed his uncle as well. I fail to see the good in him.

 

[Tg11]

Would have made sense for Rey to be a long lost Kenobi or a long lost Jinn...either make her a granddaughter of Obi Wan or a granddaughter of Qui Gon

 

[Filmfan93]

Would you say that its as good as the force awakens? or satisfying?

As good as TFA?

No. The pacing of the film in the first half and the heavily crammed plot prevents it from being as good. That being said, it is still really good and feels like TFA visually and also works more as a sequel to it rather than continuation of TLJ.

However, it is quite satisfying in delivering the emotional beats and tying up the saga. And it's also really fun and entertaining (as TFA was). There is action every 15 mins.

 

[Gothamsknight]

As good as TFA?

No. The pacing of the film in the first half and the heavily crammed plot prevents it from being as good. That being said, it is still really good and feels like TFA visually and also works more as a sequel to it rather than continuation of TLJ.

However, it is quite satisfying in delivering the emotional beats and tying up the saga. And it's also really fun and entertaining (as TFA was). There is action every 15 mins.

Well thats really good to hear, even though i liked TLJ. so would you say that you'd disagree with the critics mostly?

 

[OrganaSkywalker]

As good as TFA?

No. The pacing of the film in the first half and the heavily crammed plot prevents it from being as good. That being said, it is still really good and feels like TFA visually and also works more as a sequel to it rather than continuation of TLJ.

However, it is quite satisfying in delivering the emotional beats and tying up the saga. And it's also really fun and entertaining (as TFA was). There is action every 15 mins.

may I ask what you thought was crammed ? I do agree a lot happened in the first half of the movie but that was something I really enjoyed. Especially the Leia scenes.
with the force awakens and the last Jedi some plots were kind of dragging. And even tough everything was very fast paced I loved we got most of the answers

 

[Holy Slapper]

Ben Solo dying was always inevitable but in my opinion he was past redemption...the man killed his own father and tried to kill his mother. Not to mention he killed his uncle as well. I fail to see the good in him.

Are you absolutely sure about this? Because eventhough I've seen TLJ only once, I still know that didn't happen.

 

[OrganaSkywalker]

Are you absolutely sure about this? Because eventhough I've seen TLJ only once, I still know that didn't happen.

it didn’t. He tried to kill his uncle. He died cause he used the force to much. But also he did not try to kill his mother. He loved her to much and took his hand of the trigger.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Would have made sense for Rey to be a long lost Kenobi or a long lost Jinn...either make her a granddaughter of Obi Wan or a granddaughter of Qui Gon

I would have made her a clone that was made up of genetic material from both Palpatine and Luke or Anakin. Thus, the people who hid her weren't parents but were people working for the Emperor's cloning staff or something, and she was so young she assumed they were her parents (like she didn't really get what was going on). That way, you get the "triumph over your bad lineage" thing this film already has, AND she is at least part-Skywalker so her taking the name feels earned. Her being a clone would also tie-in nicely with her dark force vision from TLJ where she saw that repeated image of herself.

Oh well.

 

[Detective Conan]

^^ That idea isn’t half bad.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

^^ That idea isn’t half bad.

Thanks. It's baffling, because LFL didn't start pushing the "Skywalker Saga" branding until they started working on ROS, and knowing that they suddenly decided to rebrand it so, it really shocks me that they did the lineage so dirty. I don't care about her choosing to call herself a Skywalker at the end--that's cheap. I thought for sure that they realized where they had gone wrong, and they sort-of did, realizing that after the way they set up a mystery about her parents, they couldn't reasonably be nobody, but to make her a Palpatine? It would have been better to stick to the nobody thing. But even then, they re-brand it as the Skywalker saga.... and the main hero of the last third of said family saga... isn't part of the family.

If you were gonna make her a 'somebody,' she should have had Skywalker blood. They seemed fine walking back some things from TLJ, so if they didn't make her one because of 'Reylo,' well then, why not walk THAT back? Luke and Leia turned out to be siblings and they just pretended like those kisses didn't happen, haha!

They had cloning in the film already from Snoke. They made her related to someone big. It BAFFLES me that they never thought of what I did. They were already right there. The Skywalker in her blood could have come from Luke's missing hand. Maybe tie THAT little loose end up as part of it. Palpatine came across the hand and kept it and, foreseeing the future (why the Hell not? They do more convenient stuff in ROS already), he anonymously sends the Skywalker saber to Maz, knowing that Rey will come to it and it will lead her on the path to him. Maybe HE called out to her via the saber to further facilitate his plans/her destiny. It makes Palps more cunning and it all works as a trilogy-redefining mind-****, tying things up more tightly. I guarantee the revelation that she's a clone and has the blood of BOTH would be a good twist to people, and it gives Rey more to chew on, emotionally. Not only does she have evil blood in her, but she's arguably not even special, just off an assembly line. And when she defeats Palpatine, she conquers that fear and knows that in spite of her past, she is SOMEBODY.

But I'm no screenwriter, I guess.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I am surprised that more people aren't upset about the fact that this film pretty much makes Vader's sacrifice and the entire Skywalker family both pointless and obsolete. I mean this makes the issues in TLJ feel like child's play in comparison.

Now, for the first time in its history, the (real) Skywalkers are truly no more.

 

[MadVillainy]

Honestly, I am surprised that more people aren't upset about the fact that this film pretty much makes Vader's sacrifice and the entire Skywalker family both pointless and obsolete. I mean this makes the issues in TLJ feel like child's play in comparison.

Now, for the first time in its history, the (real) Skywalkers are truly no more.

Really. Ive seen plenty of that

 

[Marvolo]

Seen TROS twice and was thinking in how many ways the film retcons TLJ:

- Snoke is a mere clone Palps created.
- Luke is back to his old, hopeful self (which all of us thought would be the case after TFA's ending).
- The Knights of Ren are back.
- Turns out Luke was searching for the Sith wayfinder AND he also knew that Rey was a Palpatine. This contradicts TLJ as he was just sitting on Ahch-To the whole film and also asked Rey multiple times who she was.
- Rey's Palpatine parentage and childhood flashbacks bode well directly with TFA and completely ignore the "she's a nobody" idea from TLJ.

-TLJ didnt establish anything about Snoke's backstory so this film didnt retcon anything about Snoke.
- Luke was back to his hopeful happy self at the end of TLJ.
- TLJ didnt erase or establish anything about the Knights of Ren.
- That one really is a retcon and inexcusably ****ty and lazy writing on Abram's part.
- No it doesnt ignore Rey being a nobody. Kylo says she is a nobody in ROS. Her parents deliberately made her a nobody to protect her. Kylo left out that detail in Snoke's throne room to make her feel unloved, abandoned, and alone.

Honestly, I am surprised that more people aren't upset about the fact that this film pretty much makes Vader's sacrifice and the entire Skywalker family both pointless and obsolete. I mean this makes the issues in TLJ feel like child's play in comparison.

Now, for the first time in its history, the (real) Skywalkers are truly no more.

Not really. The Skywalkers and Anakin were a part of the events that led to the events in this film. If the Skywalkers were erased or if Anakin never fell to the dark side or if he didn't abandon the dark side things might have turned out very differently.

 

[-JKR-]

Would you say that its as good as the force awakens? or satisfying?

Not as good, in my opinion. Nope.

 

[Herolee10]

Not really. The Skywalkers and Anakin were a part of the events that led to the events in this film. If the Skywalkers were erased or if Anakin never fell to the dark side or if he didn't abandon the dark side things might have turned out very differently.

Anakin was established as the chosen one who was destined to defeat Palpatine once and for all. This film said otherwise. This whole trilogy has been about robbing the Skywalkers of their heritage/accomplishments and giving it all to Rey.

It's not hard for anyone to see that Disney took a huge dump on the established mythology in order to make Rey into the most credible Jedi ever.

 

[jaqua99]

Honestly, I am surprised that more people aren't upset about the fact that this film pretty much makes Vader's sacrifice and the entire Skywalker family both pointless and obsolete. I mean this makes the issues in TLJ feel like child's play in comparison.

Now, for the first time in its history, the (real) Skywalkers are truly no more.

It's disgusting. The SKYWALKERS are what Star Wars is all about. For Disney to just slap the name onto their fan fic character without making her related is just aweful.

It's like when people say Ahsoka planted the seed the Luke later sprouted. No. Conceptually, Anakin was gone until Luke saved him.

People may have issue with Lucas direction, but Star Wars and it's mythology was his story. If he isn't involved, it ain't Star Wars. The prequels trilogy FELT like Star wars.

 

[C. Lee]

My daughter and I just got back from seeing it. Real good movie. Gives a nice ending to things.

 

[Broseph44]

My daughter and I just got back from seeing it. Real good movie. Gives a nice ending to things.

It’s nice to hear you and her enjoyed it C Lee