Homecoming Robert Downey Jr IS Tony Stark / Iron Man

[Shikamaru]

What left you feeling worried?

The fact Tony makes the spider signal for him (an iconic Lee/Ditko gadget), (potentially) gives him a new webshooter, and the way Spidey behaves during the airport fight in regards to Stark, where it's almost a Batman/Robin dynamic (I know he's a kid but I don't buy that most high school versions of the character would have blindly been that clingy and subservient to Tony, really the only high school version which tops it is the Ultimate cartoon version).

All of this could change in Homecoming. There's the possibility the spider signal is the only exception as far as spider gadgets go, the possibility the whole point of the film will be Peter breaking away from Tony due to a philosophical clash between them, and also the possibility this is just the way he was written due to how poorly integrated he was into the film's script. But regardless of what happens, at this point in time Civil War gave me more reasons to be skeptic than I had before seeing it. I don't like that Marvel made me feel this way.

I still await Homecoming, but I no longer wait in anticipation. I now wait more in frustration.

 

[harryoscop]

Seeing that awful concept art in the general thread just made me appreciate everything Marvel has given us so far. Perfect Peter, perfect Spider-Man perfect, best CBM costume ever (way better than TASM2 horrible garbage vomit bag rahash) and great chemistry with all of the heroes. Why the **** am I complaining and worrying again?

 

[Flint Marko]

The fact Tony makes the spider signal for him (an iconic Lee/Ditko gadget), (potentially) gives him a new webshooter, and the way Spidey behaves during the airport fight in regards to Stark, where it's almost a Batman/Robin dynamic (I know he's a kid but I don't buy that most high school versions of the character would have blindly been that clingy and subservient to Tony, really the only high school version which tops it is the Ultimate cartoon version).

All of this could change in Homecoming. There's the possibility the spider signal is the only exception as far as spider gadgets go, the possibility the whole point of the film will be Peter breaking away from Tony due to a philosophical clash between them, and also the possibility this is just the way he was written due to how poorly integrated he was into the film's script. But regardless of what happens, at this point in time Civil War gave me more reasons to be skeptic than I had before seeing it. I don't like that Marvel made me feel this way.

I still await Homecoming patiently, but I no longer wait in anticipation. I wait more in frustration.

Can't say any of that bothered me personally. The good far outweighs the bad, or in this case the nitpicks IMO. I'm at a point where no matter what Marvel may do that differs from my preferred version, it is undoubtedly better than the alternative. I shudder to think of what Sont would have done.

 

[harryoscop]

Maybe Stark only shows up in the suit to train Spidey.. Idk, trying to be optimistic.

 

[JOE]

Come on, dude.

What's the matter? Can't share the spotlight even though Spider-Man has already had 5 solo movies? He's finally in the MCU, and they've signed RDJ to be in his movie. This is a positive thing, its baffling to see the negativity around here.

I bet if Daredevil was cast in the movie you wouldn't be complaining that "Spider-Man should beat the big bad at the end on his own without any help!" Come on, dude.

 

[harryoscop]

You're missing the point entirely. It's not about "sharing the spotlight" it's more like "letting Spider-Man shine in his own film without being overshadowed by another hero." Iron Man himself has already stolen the spotlight in 6 MCU films (7 if he defeats Spidey's villain.), he doesn't need to have a huge role in this film and he especially shouldn't fight any of Spidey's iconic rouges 1-on-1 unless it's a Sinister Six film.

Oh, and i'd feel the same way about Daredevil, but then again, he wouldn't overshadow Spidey because he isn't the third most powerful hero in the MCU.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Jumping to Conclusions 101.

 

[Flint Marko]

We're really jumping to the conclusion that Tony is going to "steal the show"?
Come on guys. We have no reason to be anything worse than cautiously optimistic.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Spidey stole the show in Civil War and there were like 12,000 characters in the movie, sooo..... there's no need to worry about IM taking the spotlight.

 

[Flint Marko]

Spidey stole the show in Civil War and there were like 12,000 characters in the movie, sooo..... there's no need to to worry about IM taking the spotlight.

Yup.
Again, there are definitely some aspects that people here won't like about MCU Spider-man but we can all agree it's a much better alternative than anything Sony would've done.

 

[harryoscop]

'Anything' tho? Like what if they fired Arad and Tolmach, hired Matthew Vaughn to direct, cast Tom and made his Spidey exactly as he was in Civil War (just without Stark hypothetically) and cancelled all plans for a Cinematic Universe?

Of course they would've done the exact opposite of the above but still..

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Ummm.......what are you implying Harry? Oh god no.

 

[Flint Marko]

'Anything' tho? Like what if they fired Arad and Tolmach, hired Matthew Vaughn to direct, cast Tom and made his Spidey exactly as he was in Civil War (just without Stark hypothetically) and cancelled all plans for a Cinematic Universe?

Of course they would've done the exact opposite of the above but still..

I would've preferred what we have now over that scenario. Spider-man is home where he belongs in the hands of people who understand how to make the character work. Tweaks and changes are going to be made, but it's nothing compared to the terrible direction Sony would have taken him in. This is the same studio that gave us three horrible Spider-man films in a row with no real direction for their "Spider-man cinematic universe" that they prematurely shoved into theaters with ASM 2. This is the same studio that thinks an Angry Birds movie and a MIB/22 jump street crossover is a good idea. This is the same studio that keeps trying to get a Venom movie off the ground. This is the same studio that thought a Sinister Six movie, with absolutely no build up, would get people excited. I could keep going.
Count me as someone who is not only fine with Stark being in this movie, but loves the idea. Spider-man has a long, rich history of crossing over with other heroes and fighting with and alongside them - as someone who owns every issue of Marvel Team-up Vol. 1, and has read every Lee/Ditko/Romita book dozens of times, this is completely in line with the spirit of the character. He does not exist inside a vacuum, he has always caught the eye of other heroes in the Marvel universe, so I'm beyond excited to see this happen on the big screen. I've been waiting my whole life for the definitive Spider-man movie, and I have hopes that this will be it.
Also, something I haven't heard anyone talk about: this is, ostensibly, the Spider-man we will have for numerous movies going forward. Don't like him being young and in high school? Great, we'll potentially get to the older Spider-man stories in a few years after we've grown with the character. Don't like him palling around with Tony Stark? Same as before, we will watch him grow into his own and become a respected hero, just as he did in the books.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Yeah, and the Angry Birds movie is **** apparently.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Wow, virtually everyone on this page has a Spider-Man avvy

Personally I'd rather Homecoming was Stark-free but I'm cautiously optimistic about his inclusion in the film.

 

[harryoscop]

I would've preferred what we have now over that scenario. Spider-man is home where he belongs in the hands of people who understand how to make the character work. Tweaks and changes are going to be made, but it's nothing compared to the terrible direction Sony would have taken him in. This is the same studio that gave us three horrible Spider-man films in a row with no real direction for their "Spider-man cinematic universe" that they prematurely shoved into theaters with ASM 2. This is the same studio that thinks an Angry Birds movie and a MIB/22 jump street crossover is a good idea. This is the same studio that keeps trying to get a Venom movie off the ground. This is the same studio that thought a Sinister Six movie, with absolutely no build up, would get people excited. I could keep going.
Count me as someone who is not only fine with Stark being in this movie, but loves the idea. Spider-man has a long, rich history of crossing over with other heroes and fighting with and alongside them - as someone who owns every issue of Marvel Team-up Vol. 1, and has read every Lee/Ditko/Romita book dozens of times, this is completely in line with the spirit of the character. He does not exist inside a vacuum, he has always caught the eye of other heroes in the Marvel universe, so I'm beyond excited to see this happen on the big screen. I've been waiting my whole life for the definitive Spider-man movie, and I have hopes that this will be it.
Also, something I haven't heard anyone talk about: this is, ostensibly, the Spider-man we will have for numerous movies going forward. Don't like him being young and in high school? Great, we'll potentially get to the older Spider-man stories in a few years after we've grown with the character. Don't like him palling around with Tony Stark? Same as before, we will watch him grow into his own and become a respected hero, just as he did in the books.

Glad you like what they're doing here. Just not for everybody's taste.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Yeah, and the Angry Birds movie is **** apparently.

Well, to a lack of a not grossere Surprise gif:

 

[guyisnotcool]

Wow, virtually everyone on this page has a Spider-Man avvy

I'm doing it wrong...

 

[PeterBenParker]

Using Civil War is a terrible example. It was only a Cap in the sense that it was titled Captain America and he had slightly more screen-time, not to mention it was stuffed to the brim with other heroes. Wasn't a solo Cap in any sense of the word.

Yep. The focus was Cap, but it did feel a lot more like an Avengers: After Ultron. Guess that's to be expected with so many characters, though. 'Least it had elements that reminded me of Winter Soldier.

The way Spidey behaves during the airport fight in regards to Stark, where it's almost a Batman/Robin dynamic (I know he's a kid but I don't buy that most high school versions of the character would have blindly been that clingy and subservient to Tony, really the only high school version which tops it is the Ultimate cartoon version).

This was my biggest issue. The other stuff didn't help much, but this really got me frustrated. Just dislike having to stomach the thought of Tony taking Peter under his wing and the potential idea of Peter being shaped as a hero due to Tony's involvement as he gets older.

Already beat a dead horse with it, but I'm nervous for Homecoming in shorter terms.

All of this could change in Homecoming. There's the possibility the whole point of the film will be Peter breaking away from Tony due to a philosophical clash between them, and also the possibility this is just the way he was written due to how poorly integrated he was into the film's script.

Here's hoping.

 

[harryoscop]

Ugh, they might try to do some bullcrap where Spidey can't even defeat his own villain without Stark's help or a scenario where Peter is about to be killed and surprise, surprise you know who shows up to save the day. Hard not to be pessimistic given MCU history with their Golden boy.

Here's to hoping none that happens. Getting increasingly cautious about this movie every time I think about it.

 

[BatsDC]

Spidey overshadows Iron Man with a fraction of his screentime in Civil War. Get a grip people. If there's one thing Marvel always gets right, it's their heroes.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Spidey overshadows Iron Man with a fraction of his screentime in Civil War.

Yeah, I find it hillarious bashing RDj on his yet to be figured at as a small role in Homecoming, when in fact Spider-man overshadowed everyone in Civil War LOL

 

[Poppy]

Spidey may have overshadowed Tony in the movie, but the writing still made him very dependant to Stark.

 

[SpideyJJ]

Personally I wouldn't mind having Stark as a scientific mentor rather than a heroic mentor (if someone has to do it, my ideal choice would be Steve).

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Ugh, they might try to do some bullcrap where Spidey can't even defeat his own villain without Stark's help or a scenario where Peter is about to be killed and surprise, surprise you know who shows up to save the day. Hard not to be pessimistic given MCU history with their Golden boy.

Here's to hoping none that happens. Getting increasingly cautious about this movie every time I think about it.

Iron man was only their golden boy because they didn't have spider-man. But now spider-man has come home. It's in the title dude. Don't worry about it