Homecoming Robert Downey Jr IS Tony Stark / Iron Man

[baerrtt]

I don't know, to be honest I've always thought spidey/hulk is more interesting than spidey/banner but spidey/iron man is one of the best relationships because Tony is exactly what Peter would love to be one day

And ironically, in the current comics, pretty much has become what with the whole Parker Industries addition.

 

[baerrtt]

Not really. While Hulk has been in Spider-Man stories a lot, there is one hero who has teamed up with Spider-Man the most outside of Johnny Storm - and that's ol horn head who has the more gritty vigilante angle going for him. Granted the Hulk is not that far behind those two.

For those interested Charlie Cox has said that he's more than interested in joining up with Spider-Man. Plus, interestingly, Holland and Bernthal are friends - they auditioned for Spider-Man and the Punisher off of each other so that famous triad (fingers crossed) might happen at some point.

As someone said, I'd liken Banner more to Doc Brown or (to bounce off of DC) almost Harrison Wells (season 2, Flash) due the fact that Peter never really knows when Banner will, and often does, Hulk out - with Mister Fantastic being the more stable father figure scientist of the two. Both basically exactly similar, just one brings more safety and less risk of a Hulk-out.

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For those wondering, at a fast glance, Spidey and Iron Man team ups (solely about them teaming up) are:

Invincible Iron Man 7 (2009)
Marvel Team Up v1: 9, 29, 48&49, 51, 72, 110
The Invincible Iron Man #234
The Amazing Spider-Man 25th Anniversary Annual

I would say my favorite line between those two is from Civil War (the comic arc), I don't know the exact phrasing of it - but it was about Tony telling Peter he could easily see he wears his need for a father figure on his sleeve. I'd say that's a role that Tony, Reed, Bruce, and Steve all basically function as in Peter's life especially the first three.

What the poster before you meant was that Spider Man and The Hulk, in the 70s and 80s especially, were probably the 2 most popular super heroes in the Marvel stable thanks largely to the animated and live action shows that ran (or were rerun) during those periods.

Besides Parker and Banner always seemed like similar characters...social outcasts more or less prior to their life changing 'accidents' and super heroes who were treated with fear and suspicion (Parker's, or should I say Spider-Man's, relationship with Jameson in some ways mirrors Banner's/Huk's with Ross).

 

[BatsDC]

I loved the dynamic Peter & Stark had in Civil War.

 

[harryoscop]

Still less than thrilled about this news tbh, even though I knew it was likely to happen. I don't want Marvel to turn Spidey into Stark's lackey or have him in the suit for the final battle... Still haven't seen CW, so I'll see how this "relationship" is going to play out.

 

[BatsDC]

The last thing Marvel would do is let Stark overshadow Spidey lol

They're both in Civil War and guess who overshadows the other?

 

[harryoscop]

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[AvegningSpider]

I think the most likely is that we see Tony as

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Do not read if you haven't seen CW [BLACKOUT]the leader of the now Goverment Avengers, talking to Peter of considering joining the team or continuing on the relationship mentor-mentee from CW.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[I Am The Knight]

Holland held his own against RDJ. I am perfectly fine with IM being in this film.

 

[harryoscop]

**** it, i'm pumped as hell to see Tony in this movie.

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I couldn't help but crack a huge smile when Peter saw Tony talking to Aunt May. Love the look on his face. And Robert & Tom have SUCH good chemistry. I can't wait see their relationship develop in this movie.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Heh. I knew opinions were gonna turn once people see the Pete-Stark chemistry.

 

[AnneFan]

**** it, i'm pumped as hell to see Tony in this movie.

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I couldn't help but crack a huge smile when Peter saw Tony talking to Aunt May. Love the look on his face. And Robert & Tom have SUCH good chemistry. I can't wait see their relationship develop in this movie.

Yep.

Stark and Parker are a perfect mix. I have no problem with RDJ showing up in Spider-Man films, given I really like his acting method. He's a charming presence. It's not undermining Spider-Man's intelligence either. Peter is poor and creates items with what he has. Stark is a billionaire and thus has more resources. They are something like kindred spirits but at the opposite end of the age bracket, and with different standings in the community.

 

[Inhuman117]

Tony will make Peter the Greatest SpiderMan we Ever Seen , but i wonder if RDJ just Appear as Tony Stark or Suit Up Too
I Would love to see some Training Sessions between Them like a little Race

 

[Shikamaru]

So I don't want to jump to conclusions yet given Spidey's limited role, but I feel more anxious about Peter's independence than I did before seeing the film. I'm even more anxious they might go the mentor route.

[BLACKOUT]I didn't like at all how Tony was giving him advice during the airport fight (when to attack, telling him to go for Cap's legs, etc. And is it just me or did Tony make the spider signal? Which if it's attached to the web shooters, then I can't rule out the possibility of him making him a more advanced webshooter either.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Valkyrje]

The only thing I didn't like about CW was Tony making his suit tbh.

 

[harryoscop]

[blackout]I think they are indeed going to the Mentor route, dude. But that doesn't mean they're going to turn Peter into a mini-Tony Stark either. I personally hope that they don't work together to create Spidey's future tech (since he'll most likely be involved) And yea, Stark did create the Spider signal, those Webshooters are same the upgraded ones that Peter used at the Airport fight. So Stark probably implemented some features that Peter will discover in Homecoming. And I know it might annoy some of us hardcore Spidey fans (Tony being involved) but I look at it as Marvel giving us more accurate, definitive characterizations as well awesome designs and successful movies in exchange for Spidey's world to be more connected to the wider MCU.[/blackout]

 

[PeterBenParker]

So I don't want to jump to conclusions yet given Spidey's limited role, but I feel more anxious about Peter's independence than I did before seeing the film. I'm even more anxious they might go the mentor route.

[BLACKOUT]I didn't like at all how Tony was giving him advice during the airport fight (when to attack, telling him to go for Cap's legs, etc. And is it just me or did Tony make the spider signal? Which if it's attached to the web shooters, then I can't rule out the possibility of him making him a more advanced webshooter either.[/BLACKOUT]

Exactly my issues, too. The fact that I thought Tony got increasingly more and more annoying in the film didn't help, either.

Here's holding out hope for the solo film, but if CW was anything to go by, I'm dreading the relationship between Stark and Peter big time.

 

[BatsDC]

So I don't want to jump to conclusions yet given Spidey's limited role, but I feel more anxious about Peter's independence than I did before seeing the film. I'm even more anxious they might go the mentor route.

[BLACKOUT]I didn't like at all how Tony was giving him advice during the airport fight (when to attack, telling him to go for Cap's legs, etc. And is it just me or did Tony make the spider signal? Which if it's attached to the web shooters, then I can't rule out the possibility of him making him a more advanced webshooter either.[/BLACKOUT]

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Tony gave him advice before the fight on how to take Cap out, because Cap's experienced. Peter clearly wasn't expecting things to escalate as they did, hence why he asked what to do. He's a kid.

 

[Shikamaru]

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Tony gave him advice before the fight on how to take Cap out, because Cap's experienced. Peter clearly wasn't expecting things to escalate as they did, hence why he asked what to do. He's a kid.

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He also gave him advice during the fight. Plus that still doesn't solve my issue with the webshooters.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Felt this was kinda fitting here too, as I talk about Peter/Spidey and Tony/IM a bit:

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This take on Peter/Spidey, despite being smart and bright, isn't all that smart or bright to me. He goes with Tony because he's starstruck and because Tony blackmails/manipulates him into joining him. When questioned by Cap as to why he's doing this essentially, he says, "Stark says you're wrong, you think you're right and that makes you dangerous." His fight in the battle? "Wanting to impress Mr. Stark." Before the fight? "What do I do?" in question to Tony.

Everything -- from the apartment scene to the airport scene -- revolved around Tony Stark's effect on Peter Parker and I did not enjoy that. Peter/Spidey basically had no real mind of his own, no real say on anything and due to that, he was just the sidekick to Iron Man as opposed to being his own hero. Yes, you could argue he's just a kid and that's why his decision making isn't as present but come on. We've got Ultimate Spider-Man (comics) and Spectacular Spider-Man! Two versions which feature a kid Spidey being thrust into not only a superhero lifestyle but a lifestyle of a MAN as opposed to a teenager. It just boggles my mind why they handled Spider-Man in such a dumb manner. He's a big fan of Captain America, so why is he fighting him? Simply because Stark said so? Ugh. Use your head, Parker!

Now, for the brief moments where it wasn't all about "Mr. Stark", I actually enjoyed him. He was genuine, he was sincere, he was everything Peter Parker should be at such a young age and his Spider-Man was motormouth and funny. It just sucks I'm gonna have to suck it up and deal with more Peter/Tony mentor crap with Homecoming (and presumably the foreseeable future) OR get off the MCU Spider-Man train and go back to rewatching the older films, cartoons, etc.

If there's some positive takeaways from Civil War, it's these:

• More Ant-Man please
• Cannot wait until Bucky gets thawed out (thinking it'll happen if/when Steve dies)
• Hawkeye was good as always
• Scarlet Witch is a boss

Back on the topic of Spider-Man, I'm just disappointed. Granted, it was only 15 minutes and hopefully, by some miracle, Homecoming will fix my issues with Peter/Spidey but as of right now I'm beyond dreading it.

Rant done.

 

[BatsDC]

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He also gave him advice during the fight. Plus that still doesn't solve my issue with the webshooters.

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Like what? He asks "what do I do?", which is in response to things escalating, and everybody splitting up. He's new and a kid, so it makes sense that he'd be asking what he should specifically do in that situation.

Plus, is everyone forgetting how Peter was the one who worked out how to take down Giant Man?

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Felt this was kinda fitting here too, as I talk about Peter/Spidey and Tony/IM a bit:

Sorry you couldn't enjoy him as much as the rest of us did.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Felt this was kinda fitting here too, as I talk about Peter/Spidey and Tony/IM a bit:

Agreed. The more I think about it I just don't see any real reason why Spidey would agree to fighting Cap like that, unless he was really oblivious to what was going on...

 

[PeterBenParker]

Sorry you couldn't enjoy him as much as the rest of us did.

No big. I'm happy for the majority of you, though.

Agreed. The more I think about it I just don't see any real reason why Spidey would agree to fighting Cap like that, unless he was really oblivious to what was going on...

[BLACKOUT]Someone presented the argument to me that Peter/Spidey was fighting an alleged terrorist and that's why he believes he's doing good, but that was never touched on at all. The only decision making Spidey had in the film came from Stark and Stark alone.

I really hope this gets addressed in Homecoming in some fashion 'cause I can't believe in a Spider-Man that will do whatever Tony tells him to do simply because he's Tony Stark and because he's a kid. He's flipping Peter Parker -- a genius!

He had to have been oblivious, and given what he told Cap, he must've been missing the pieces but even then it's foolish 'cause why agree to something you don't fully understand?! Gah.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Milla4Prez66]

This version of Peter is nothing but a YouTube legend at this point. He's not going to be Stark's lackey or anything but he's a young inexperienced kid being brought into this by Stark. I can honestly see him having a fallout with Stark in the movie and going on his own too. Let's see what they have in store for us instead of overreacting to a very small amount of footage from Civil War.

 

[harryoscop]

No big. I'm happy for the majority of you, though.



[BLACKOUT]Someone presented the argument to me that Peter/Spidey was fighting an alleged terrorist and that's why he believes he's doing good, but that was never touched on at all. The only decision making Spidey had in the film came from Stark and Stark alone.

I really hope this gets addressed in Homecoming in some fashion 'cause I can't believe in a Spider-Man that will do whatever Tony tells him to do simply because he's Tony Stark and because he's a kid. He's flipping Peter Parker -- a genius!

He had to have been oblivious, and given what he told Cap, he must've been missing the pieces but even then it's foolish 'cause why agree to something you don't fully understand?! Gah.[/BLACKOUT]

[blackout]I just got from my second viewing of Civil War. But yeah, you gotta remember that he's highly inexperienced (it especially hit me the second time I saw CW), he probably hasn't even fought any of his Rouges yet, and he's being thrust into this conflict by Stark & because he's so young, it's exciting to him and he wants to be part of something bigger. That's probably why ye kept asking Tony for advice because he didn't know how to deal with somebody like Cap.[/blackout]