Homecoming Robert Downey Jr IS Tony Stark / Iron Man

[PeterBenParker]

[blackout]I just got from my second viewing of Civil War. But yeah, you gotta remember that he's highly inexperienced (it especially hit me the second time I saw CW), he probably hasn't even fought any of his Rouges yet, and he's being thrust into this conflict by Stark & because he's so young, it's exciting to him and he wants to be part of something bigger. That's probably why ye kept asking Tony for advice because he didn't know how to deal with somebody like Cap.[/blackout]

[BLACKOUT]Oh, I get-and-am-fine with him being inexperienced. My biggest gripe throughout the 15 minutes of Peter/Spidey stemmed from him just taking Tony's word for everything without any sort of questioning of his own. Nevermind the fact he's supposedly a big fan of Cap and yet he has no problem whatsoever fighting him because Tony told him Cap is wrong and he thinks he's right which makes him dangerous? [/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Peter, despite being a genius at his age, lacked common sense and depending on how you look at it, can make it charming ('cause he's so young) or a dumb decision. Just really hoping this gets fixed for Homecoming in some sort of confrontation with Tony.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I've said from day one that I did not want Tony having a large part on Peter and his decision making as Spider-Man. There's something much more endearing about a kid his age struggling with very difficult and grown-up choices largely on his own (hence why the Ultimate comics and SSM are held near-and-dear to me).[/BLACKOUT]

 

[BatsDC]

[BLACKOUT]Oh, I get-and-am-fine with him being inexperienced. My biggest gripe throughout the 15 minutes of Peter/Spidey stemmed from him just taking Tony's word for everything without any sort of questioning of his own. Nevermind the fact he's supposedly a big fan of Cap and yet he has no problem whatsoever fighting him because Tony told him Cap is wrong and he thinks he's right which makes him dangerous? [/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Peter, despite being a genius at his age, lacked common sense and depending on how you look at it, can make it charming ('cause he's so young) or a dumb decision. Just really hoping this gets fixed for Homecoming in some sort of confrontation with Tony.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I've said from day one that I did not want Tony having a large part on Peter and his decision making as Spider-Man. There's something much more endearing about a kid his age struggling with very difficult and grown-up choices largely on his own (hence why the Ultimate comics and SSM are held near-and-dear to me).[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

He has just seen Cap start attacking the other Avengers though. Cap threw his shield at Peter first; before this, Spidey's goal was just to web Cap's team up, which he continues to do. I don't think it's a case of Peter not thinking for himself - he's in the middle of a fight with The Avengers which has escalated beyond what Stark probably had prepared for (hence "my plan was to go easy on them") and he's inexperienced. He either turns on the guy who has brought him out here and provided him with all this new stuff, or finishes his mission, which was just really to web up Cap. For all we know Stark explained a little more than Spidey indicated, too. The fact he's seen Cap & Co. resisting and fighting back kinda confirms hat yeah, he's dangerous.

 

[Poppy]

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[BLACKOUT]I've said from day one that I did not want Tony having a large part on Peter and his decision making as Spider-Man. There's something much more endearing about a kid his age struggling with very difficult and grown-up choices largely on his own (hence why the Ultimate comics and SSM are held near-and-dear to me).[/BLACKOUT]

My thoughts exactly.

To give Peter a ~mentor just take away a lot from his journey.

I'm hoping that Tony will have a Nick Fury kinda role (for the record, I would have prefered to see just Nick in Homecoming t.

Hopefully Tony will have 15 mins of screentime and then go live his life off screen.

 

[AnneFan]

Tony represents Peter's entry point into The Avengers. Also in that sense, I think it's kind of necessary.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

LOVED their dynamic in Civil War but honestly dreading where it's leading for the same reasons other mentioned.

Also don't really care him to pursue Aunt May romantically, which is pure speculation but it was hinted at and Tony and Pepper are on the rocks. If Tony is more than a glorified cameo in Peter's life, I could see that being a source of conflict for the two, which mehhhh. There are enough possibilities with Spider-Man that Tony doesn't need to be a major player.

With RDJ's price tag we're probably fretting for nothing though.

 

[AnneFan]

Tony and May could be a funny running joke. I don't expect them to seriously pursue such a plot line.

 

[guyisnotcool]

I made a joke about Uncle Tony before the seeing the movie. After seeing it, that's definitely a possibility now.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Tony and May could be a funny running joke. I don't expect them to seriously pursue such a plot line.

I think that joke there because Robert Downey jr and Marisa Tomei were in romantic comedy together before in 90's where they fall in love.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I think that joke there because Robert Downey jr and Marisa Tomei were in romantic comedy together before in 90's where they fall in love.

And also, because the two of them dated in real life too.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

And also, because the two of them dated in real life too.

I never knew that. That make his comments even more funny now lol.

 

[SpideyJJ]

Given their relationship in civil war, Stark will probably be like what Nick Fury was in TWS (except more superhero mentor like) in terms of screen time and relevance. Homecoming has been described as a coming of age story, and while that obviously relates to his out of costume life as a New York teen, I think it also relates to the kind of hero he wants to be. Feige last year had talked about how part of his struggle is trying to figure out what kind of hero he is in the wake of civil war, so most likely in the beginning he'll try to be what Stark tells him to be. Probably events running through the course of the movie show that Peter may not fully agree with his viewpoint, and thus form his own ideal of who he should be as a hero. Or probably they'll play up the science grant Stark told Aunt May about and have him be strictly a scientific mentor of sorts, while probably trying to dissuade Pete from taking on crazy supervillains just yet, and instead focus more on developing his keen intellect (residual guilt from the kid who died in Sokovia, plus the worry he felt when Pete was knocked out by Ant-Man would play a factor in this). The writers did say recently that Stark saw himself in Peter a bit, which, combined with the guilt over the death of the kid in Sokovia, pushed him to take Peter under his wing to prevent another brilliant young mind perishing too soon

 

[Solaire]

After seeing Civil War a 2nd time I can't wait to see Tony/Iron Man in Homecoming. I hope he is more than just a cameo in the film, Hell, hope he suits up and fights along Spidey at least once in the film.

Been wishing and wanting Spidey in the MCU for years. It's finally here and I'm not gonna complain about it. RDJ and Holland were magic together. Can already see the film being hilarious with some amazing action.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Tony might be like Nick Fury in the Ultimate comics

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Tony might be like Nick Fury in the Ultimate comics

That's what I hope his presence is like in Homecoming. It'd be perfect.

 

[Shikamaru]

So after seeing the film a second time, [BLACKOUT]Tony most definitely made Peter the spider signal.[/BLACKOUT] Not too happy about that.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah, it's annoying. I love Spidey making his own gadgets.

 

[Venomfan]

Would anyone else prefer if Cap was in the movie, or at least both of them? Cap is Spideys hero, not iron man, at least in the comics/cartoons

 

[AvegningSpider]

Would anyone else prefer if Cap was in the movie, or at least both of them? Cap is Spideys hero, not iron man, at least in the comics/cartoons

Cap is everyone's hero in the Marvel Universe, let's be honest.
But honestly, after seeing CW, i don't mind if either or both appear.

 

[SpideyJJ]

Would anyone else prefer if Cap was in the movie, or at least both of them? Cap is Spideys hero, not iron man, at least in the comics/cartoons

I'd like that. I'd imagine that over the course of the film, they'd both see a bit of themselves in Peter (Stark would see the witty science genius plagued trying to do right out of the guilt of past mistakes, whereas Cap would see a young awkward kid from New York whose just trying to do the right thing and use the power he has to help as many people as he can). They'd both try to mentor him and influence the type of hero he should be, with Peter eventually deciding to be his own type of hero

 

[AnneFan]

Yeah, it's annoying. I love Spidey making his own gadgets.

Well, I guess Spidey made his own webbing, and a suit with materials he had available. He's capable of making his own stuff but so is Tony, who has lots more money and resources.

 

[Poppy]

Well, I guess Spidey made his own webbing, and a suit with materials he had available. He's capable of making his own stuff but so is Tony, who has lots more money and resources.

True but I think it would have been better to show Peter using Tony's ressources at the Avengers tower, and still making his own suit and signal.

 

[Dm2048]

[BLACKOUT]Oh, I get-and-am-fine with him being inexperienced. My biggest gripe throughout the 15 minutes of Peter/Spidey stemmed from him just taking Tony's word for everything without any sort of questioning of his own. Nevermind the fact he's supposedly a big fan of Cap and yet he has no problem whatsoever fighting him because Tony told him Cap is wrong and he thinks he's right which makes him dangerous? [/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Peter, despite being a genius at his age, lacked common sense and depending on how you look at it, can make it charming ('cause he's so young) or a dumb decision. Just really hoping this gets fixed for Homecoming in some sort of confrontation with Tony.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I've said from day one that I did not want Tony having a large part on Peter and his decision making as Spider-Man. There's something much more endearing about a kid his age struggling with very difficult and grown-up choices largely on his own (hence why the Ultimate comics and SSM are held near-and-dear to me).[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I'm not saying going with Tony was a mistake but Peter Parker even though he is a genius makes mistakes. That is one of the reasons he is such a relatable character.
If he is such a genius why did he let the thief that killed uncle Ben get away?

Also you saw what happened in the movie and you know pretty much everything that happened in the story, but Peter doesn't.

 

[JOE]

So if Spidey doesn't make every single one of his gadgets you guys are going to get bent out of shape? Here we go again...

 

[Shikamaru]

So if Spidey doesn't make every single one of his gadgets you guys are going to get bent out of shape? Here we go again...

Because it begs the question of what else Tony will/won't make for him. Especially since he's in Homecoming.

You're also moving the goal posts. Before it was "you guys really think Tony will make Peter's gadgets? Come on dudes." Now it's "you guys really think Tony will make most of Peter's gadgets? Come on dudes."

 

[JOE]

Because it begs the question of what else Tony will/won't make for him. Especially since he's in Homecoming.

You're also moving the goal posts. Before it was "you guys really think Tony will make Peter's gadgets? Come on dudes." Now it's "you guys really think Tony will make most of Peter's gadgets? Come on dudes."

Who cares what else he makes for him? Spider tracers? Sure, bring it on. The kid can't even afford a computer, let alone poker chip sized spider shaped GPS devices. Who's to say Peter won't come up with the idea and Tony will help him build it? Someone has to pay for all this high tech stuff. It's not going to be Peter that's for sure.

Right... Remember when everyone was crying because they thought Tony made his web shooters? "Omg they're missing out on showcasing Peter's intelligence! Why would they do that?! Tony might as well give him his powers too! "

He made his own web shooters, he designed his own "first" costume with his own goggles to help him concentrate. He has an old crappy computer, he picks up old thrown away electronics for spare parts and what not. What else do you want man? Big deal, Tony gave him an upgrade with his suit and gave him the spider signal. Are we really going to cry about this now too? Wasn't the argument back in the day of Raimi and Webb that the costumes looked way too professional for a kid to make on his own?

We got the costume that a 15 year old would probably come up with. Then we got the high end "hero" costume because Tony paid for it/made it. It's perfect, yet we still find ways to complain... Spoiled us Spider-Man fans are, spoiled rotten.

Peter's intelligence is on full display in this movie whether you want to admit it or not. People are just nitpicking now. "I want my Peter Parker to come up with EVERYTHING on his own! Tony made his spider signal? OMG they ruined the character! He should be making them on his own! "

Always something to b***h about in here. They're doing everything right so far with Spidey as far as I'm concerned. Yet some people always find ways to bring it down, oh well.