The Dark Knight Robin To Be Or Not To Be

[Atomic Crusader]

Not to be. Make that never to be. The debate rages eternal, one day I'll be too old to care.

 

[The Kid]

Robin functions as a spark of hope for the Dark Knight. As a teacher, batman learns more about himself and why he does what he does for gotham, I think. That'd be an interesting aspect of his character to explore, wouldn't it? This is how he attempts to heal his wounds and the wounds of others like him... by opening himself up to Dick and teaching him how to do some good for he world we see how batman has evolved from a creature of the night to a force for all thats right, and it allows an interesting growth for bruce who struggles with whether to be a normal guy or batman. Batman's more than just some nut in the end... but an individual who tries to improve the world by helping people like dick in a positive way... yeah.

 

[AnimeJune]

Robin functions as a spark of hope for the Dark Knight. As a teacher, batman learns more about himself and why he does what he does for gotham, I think. That'd be an interesting aspect of his character to explore, wouldn't it? This is how he attempts to heal his wounds and the wounds of others like him... by opening himself up to Dick and teaching him how to do some good for he world we see how batman has evolved from a creature of the night to a force for all thats right, and it allows an interesting growth for bruce who struggles with whether to be a normal guy or batman. Batman's more than just some nut in the end... but an individual who tries to improve the world by helping people like dick in a positive way... yeah.

I suppose - but we've seen enough of that, I think. We haven't seen enough, in my opinion, of Batman as the borderline insane hero, the uncomfortably paranoid and distrustful hero who researches all of his friends' weaknesses so that he has the means to destroy them should they prove untrustworthy.

 

[StorminNorman]

Congratulations, Ellie. You made me "LOL" for real.

But, that was my man Norm you tossed that gem of a line at...

In my opinion, Batman's "humanity" as Norm is speaking of it, is his compassion and heart... and its presence or absence depends largely on the writers. It's easy to take the character to a place where he becomes that harsh, and Robin obviously does keep him somewhat grounded by, basically, providing human contact. But I don't think Batman always needs that... I think Batman, as written in Begins, is pretty well-balanced, mentally and emotionally.

I also think that his mental state may slip a bit in BB2-3, but will they need Robin to help him reclaim that? Not necessarily.

Yes, basically I see BB2 and BB3 being very similar to Batman TLH and DV. Batman slowling consumes Bruce Wayne, making him inhuman - he trusts no one, he does not allow himself to be close to everyone. I want Harvey to be the only person (outside of Alfred) Batman trusts, then for him to be scarred - making Batman slightly go off the deep end. Robin is his salvation.

 

[AnimeJune]

Yes, basically I see BB2 and BB3 being very similar to Batman TLH and DV. Batman slowling consumes Bruce Wayne, making him inhuman - he trusts no one, he does not allow himself to be close to everyone. I want Harvey to be the only person (outside of Alfred) Batman trusts, then for him to be scarred - making Batman slightly go off the deep end. Robin is his salvation.

Excellent idea - have Robin save Batman emotionally, while Batman saves Robin physically. In the animated series, they definitely put an emphasis on how Harvey and Bruce used to be friends before Harvey had his face blown up, but they didn't show that at all in the third film.
I would like for there to be a friendly link between the two before they have to go at it.

 

[StorminNorman]

Excellent idea - have Robin save Batman emotionally, while Batman saves Robin physically. In the animated series, they definitely put an emphasis on how Harvey and Bruce used to be friends before Harvey had his face blown up, but they didn't show that at all in the third film.
I would like for there to be a friendly link between the two before they have to go at it.

Yes, this has to be included - I dont care if it is a friendship between Harvey and Bruce (BTAS) or Harvey and Batman (Loeb/Sale comics) but there has to be a connection pre-Two Face.

 

[Two-Face]

I agree with Norman.

 

[AnimeJune]

Yes, this has to be included - I dont care if it is a friendship between Harvey and Bruce (BTAS) or Harvey and Batman (Loeb/Sale comics) but there has to be a connection pre-Two Face.

Yeah. In the Spider-Man films, it looks like they're setting up to put Peter Parker up against his pal Harry when he discovers the Goblin serum. I doubt it'll be the same thing: Harry was never a good friend to Peter, but I think Bruce and Harvey had the real thing going on.

 

[Katsuro]

Yes, this has to be included - I dont care if it is a friendship between Harvey and Bruce (BTAS) or Harvey and Batman (Loeb/Sale comics) but there has to be a connection pre-Two Face.

Well, with Harvey being introduced a full film before his transformation, I doubt they'll be able to avoid it. I'm praying for a well developed friendship between Batman, Gordon, and Harvey like in the comics. It'll be a good way to give Gordon some extra screentime and development.

 

[StorminNorman]

Just put TLH into a camera - that comic nails the dent,gordon,bats relationship better than any other bat-work, IMO

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I suppose - but we've seen enough of that, I think. We haven't seen enough, in my opinion, of Batman as the borderline insane hero, the uncomfortably paranoid and distrustful hero who researches all of his friends' weaknesses so that he has the means to destroy them should they prove untrustworthy.

*sighs*.

Dammit, woman.

That's not Batman.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Just put TLH into a camera - that comic nails the dent,gordon,bats relationship better than any other bat-work, IMO

Maybe so. Just as long as it doesn't LOOK like TLH, and doesn't have half as many characters, we're cool.

 

[StorminNorman]

Maybe so. Just as long as it doesn't LOOK like TLH, and doesn't have half as many characters, we're cool.

Everytime you say such blasphamy Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale cry.

 

[StorminNorman]

I just looked up and saw what the title of the thread was called....how did we get to Batman-Godorn-Batman relationships?

 

[The Kid]

No Robin.


If you've read Dark Victory, you'll notice that once Robin appeared, the mood changed significantly.

I do not want the mood that Robin brings in these new Batman movies.

I don't think Robin would undo any special moods. Dick's inclusion won't hurt batman at all to me. He'd be just as helpful to batman as gordon was during the train sequence in begins, and he'd save batman when he is in trouble similar to how alfred did. Whether Dick's in or out, Batman will always have his robins helping him out of troublesome spots, maybe not as fulltime sidekicks but still within the role as supporter/backup/and friend. What's so terribly wrong with adding Dick to this dynamic.


Not so soon of course, but The third film or fourth or whatever i think can be called Robin Begins!

After years of battling gotham's nastiest villians, batman discovers that he can't fight this battle alone. So he enlists a new force for justice, the graceful robin.

Woot

 

[Katsuro]

*sighs*.

Dammit, woman.

That's not Batman.

It was for quite some time, unfortunatley. Luckily though, he's back to being only slightly paranoid/distrusting now. Hell, he even forgave Bullock.

 

[StorminNorman]

In order to get this thread back on a Robin track, let me share with you the worst Robin thread ever:

um alot of people tell me its too early for robin, I am thinking maybe the joker kills his parents and in the end Gordon introduces Robin to Batman. Well I guesse it could fit. And about the mob wars theory maybe one Joker could dump acid on the mob war happening in a factory from a balcony. Almost everybody dies and 2 face (I forget his real name) is one of the main henchmens of the one mob family, and it shows him running out screaming. I got a cool talking thing for the end.



Gordon: "The war isnt over yet Batman"

Batman: Cms. the Joker's dead.

Gordon: The Cabulerez's heir (two faces real name) is at large.

Batman: He died! I witnessd it.

gordon turns on TV inside the Police Van and shows him running out of the factory screaming.

Gordon: This war has had many influences on people, to think about others, to keep fighting hard. Take this little guy for example.

*flicks on TV again, shows Robin being brought in*

Gordon: His Parents were killed after the circus. He has fallowed in your footsteps and has no family. Perhaps-

Batman: He's not staying with me.

Gordon: I was going to ask about your friend Bruce. Maybe he could take the boy in.

*Batman looks over to the bench and sees Robin sitting accompanied by an officer*

Batman: Bruce doesn't like children.

Gordon: But his butler Alfred has already arrived.

*Alfred looks at him and winks then takes the boy with him*

Gordon: he took down some henchmen in the factory by himself. 5 exactly.

Batman: Then I will be watching his career with interest.

*He flies off*



Tell me what you think of that!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201492

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Everytime you say such blasphamy Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale cry.

Good. Let them cry. Cry, Loeb and Sale. Cry. Cry hard. Cry to the Heavens that ye shall be more talented. Cry to the Heavens that the spirits of Bob Kane and Bill Finger shall come down and kick thee, until thou art wiser. Cry, Loeb and Sale. Cry.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

In order to get this thread back on a Robin track, let me share with you the worst Robin thread ever:



http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...=201492&page=1

#@$%. $#!@in' &@#&.

@#$%ers.

 

[StorminNorman]

#@$%. $#!@in' &@#&.

@#$%ers.

Those were the dark days, the days before I truly descovered Paul Bettany.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Those were the dark days, the days before I truly descovered Paul Bettany.

LOL. Now you don't cuss?

 

[StorminNorman]

LOL. Now you don't cuss?

Why would you say that? Afterall of I am the Goddamn StorminNorman

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Why would you say that? Afterall of I am the Goddamn StorminNorman

Sorry. Clearly I misunderstood the thrust of your statement.

 

[StorminNorman]

Sorry. Clearly I misunderstood the thrust of your statement.

Or I misunderstood yours

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Or I misunderstood yours

Hark! Wingnuts in the ballistic apple trees, seething with recalcitrance.