The Dark Knight Rises Robin

[Stupify_me]

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Umm no. There are other ways he can be portrayed without it being campy. If anything making Robin an adult would make it too campy ala Batman & Robin.

You don't need to drastically change him for hi to work.

You don't understand that some of the people that are saying they don't want Robin are people who are not to thrilled with him in the comics either. There is no way Nolan can make a movie with Robin and have it be good I don't even like Robin in the comics and I think the comics would be a thousand times better with out him.

 

[mcallima]

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Umm no. There are other ways he can be portrayed without it being campy. If anything making Robin an adult would make it too campy ala Batman & Robin.

You don't need to drastically change him for hi to work.

"a crime fighting teenager is INHERENTLY campy"

I don't care for Robin in the comics either. Teenage sidekicks are a Golden Age idea that have long since over stayed their welcome.

Like I said, I have no problem with Dick Grayson being adopted by Wayne, but Robin is stupid, plain and simple. No matter how good is training is, a teenager can not fight grown adults without getting himself killed. And say what you want about suspension of disbelief, but Robin pushes it too far.

 

[Stupify_me]

"a crime fighting teenager is INHERENTLY campy"

I don't care for Robin in the comics either. Teenage sidekicks are a Golden Age idea that have long since over stayed their welcome.

Like I said, I have no problem with Dick Grayson being adopted by Wayne, but Robin is stupid, plain and simple. No matter how good is training is, a teenager can not fight grown adults without getting himself killed. And say what you want about suspension of disbelief, but Robin pushes it too far.

Agreed

 

[Katsuro]

How about all of us agree to not put Robin in any Batman movie ever???

Now why would we agree to thing like that?

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Did you watch Batman Begins? All the way through?
Throughout the entire movie he was getting help from Alfred, Lucius, Gordon and a little bit from Rachel. Hell, he even got help from Ra's to train himself.

Alfred, Lucius and Gordon all helped Batman technically, not physically.

 

[explode7]

Now why would we agree to thing like that?

Just agree DAMN IT!!!

 

[IamtheBatman]

One word NEVER!

 

[Savage]

Wow. If the people heren hate the idea of Robin and Catwoman being included, they must puke violently at the thought of a World's Finest movie.

 

[Stupify_me]

Wow. If the people heren hate the idea of Robin and Catwoman being included, they must puke violently at the thought of a World's Finest movie.

I know I do.

 

[CConn]

Noobs.

 

[Stupify_me]

Noobs.

ROFL copy cat

 

[Katsuro]

Alfred, Lucius and Gordon all helped Batman technically, not physically.

Hitting a guy over the head with a golf club isn't physical? Blowing up the supports for a railway isn't phsyical. Gordon even drove Batman's car!!!

 

[Savage]

I know I do.

Well now I know that this argument will go absolutely nowhere.

 

[Stupify_me]

Hitting a guy over the head with a golf club isn't physical? Blowing up the supports for a railway isn't phsyical. Gordon even drove Batman's car!!!

Ill give you that on Alfred but Gordon just hit a button I would hardly call that physical.

lets be fair though with Alfred that is extremely uncommon with Robin he would have to get physical far more often and sadley I still find it more believable for a 65 70 year old man to go around kicking the ass of a ninja before a 12 or 13 year old.

 

[Katsuro]

Ill give you that on Alfred but Gordon just hit a button I would hardly call that physical.

lets be fair though with Alfred that is extremely uncommon with Robin he would have to get physical far more often and sadley I still find it more believable for a 65 70 year old man to go around kicking the ass of a ninja before a 12 or 13 year old.

12 or 13 is a bit young. He doen'st have to be THAT young. In fact, i'd like if he was that age when his parents died and Bruce took him in, but he should spend a few years training before actually becoming Robin. 15 or 16 is a good age, and believe it or not a highly trained 15 or 16 year old CAN take out a full grown man.

 

[Savage]

12 or 13 is a bit young. He doen'st have to be THAT young. In fact, i'd like if he was that age when his parents died and Bruce took him in, but he should spend a few years training before actually becoming Robin. 15 or 16 is a good age, and believe it or not a highly trained 15 or 16 year old CAN take out a full grown man.

I can attest to this. Good thinking on the age difference. It took me three years to even recieve a black belt(started at 14, got it at 17) and then you add his training in other feilds. A Robin that's around a High School junior or senior would work great for me.

 

[Stupify_me]

I can attest to this. Good thinking on the age difference. It took me three years to even recieve a black belt(started at 14, got it at 17) and then you add his training in other feilds. A Robin that's around a High School junior or senior would work great for me.

Thats very fast I never met anyone who got a black belt that fast. Congrats

 

[Savage]

Thanks. One of the few at my school who even have one farless for in that amount of time.

So anyway, was just doing some research on all three Robins and I honestly think an algamation would be fantastic. Dick's origin, Jason's family being poor and hard on their luck, Tim figuring out Bruce's identity and even helping him at one point. Just take all the best qualities about the Robin character and his origins and put it into one. What I'd like to see is that this kid's already on the path that Bruce was. Wanting revenge by any means. Getting a gun, etc. But Bruce would be to this guy what Ra's and Alfred were to him. Providing guidance where this kid could go out there acting a fool and get himself killed.

 

[Katsuro]

Thanks. One of the few at my school who even have one farless for in that amount of time.

So anyway, was just doing some research on all three Robins and I honestly think an algamation would be fantastic. Dick's origin, Jason's family being poor and hard on their luck, Tim figuring out Bruce's identity and even helping him at one point. Just take all the best qualities about the Robin character and his origins and put it into one. What I'd like to see is that this kid's already on the path that Bruce was. Wanting revenge by any means. Getting a gun, etc. But Bruce would be to this guy what Ra's and Alfred were to him. Providing guidance where this kid could go out there acting a fool and get himself killed.

I'd love it if Bruce didn't take him in straight away. Instead, Dick went to an orphanage and sought revenge on his own. Running away from the orphanage, donning a makeshift cotsume, and trying to fight crime on his own. Batman could meet him like that, and save the kid from getting his ass handed to him. He could adopt Dick after that, instead of just doing it right off that bat.

 

[Katsuro]

And for anyone who doesn't like the circus back story, how about a troupe of actors? They're big today in theatre performances.

I think you kinda need the circus backstory. It gives him an explanation as to why he's able to do the things he does. I mean of course Batman's training furthers that, but he should have the foundations to build upon.

 

[7Hells]

And for anyone who doesn't like the circus back story, how about a troupe of actors? They're big today in theatre performances.

Id rather they just remove the circus origin rather than replace it with something like a threatre troupe. I perceived the whole reason for the circus origin was to explain Robins quick absorption of skills necessary to accompany Batman.
Unless Nolan uses a theatre troupe origin to give Robin a heightened proficiency with undercover/disguise work.

You can do the same amount of acrobatics in theatre as you can in the circus.

umm....

 

[7Hells]

I'd love it if Bruce didn't take him in straight away. Instead, Dick went to an orphanage and sought revenge on his own. Running away from the orphanage, donning a makeshift cotsume, and trying to fight crime on his own. Batman could meet him like that, and save the kid from getting his ass handed to him. He could adopt Dick after that, instead of just doing it right off that bat.

Scary part of this is, with that storyline, having the little kid "Batman will come.." in BB would make a bit more sense.

 

[trustyside-kick]

If Nolan were to direct more than just 3 films I would say do one of the two things:

A) Introduce Dick Grayson towards the very end of the third film and show his parents death. In the 4th film go on from there but you will not see him as Robin until the 6th film (if Nolan were to direct that many Bat-films). The entire 4th film if they show Dick he will be doing nothing but non-combative training (detective work, academic stuff like chemistry, etc.) I guess and his acrobatics. In the 5th film have Bruce really start to teach him combative training and perhaps even have him attempt The Gauntlet of some sort.

B) At the end of the third film have them mention Haily's Circu as a teaser so that in the 4th film it can open up or somewhere in the beginning show Dick's parent's death. In the 4th film show Dick adjusting and towards the end of the film have Bruce reveal his identity to Dick and have Dick studying non-combative skills. In the 5th film have Dick finishing up his non-combative skills and move on to combative skills but not wear the uniform still. In the 6th film we will finally see him in the Robin suit but not til the middle or close to the end...majority of the 6th film Dick could be going through The Gauntlet or something.

 

[7Hells]

^if they chose B id rather skip Robin and go straight to Nightwing

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Hitting a guy over the head with a golf club isn't physical? Blowing up the supports for a railway isn't phsyical. Gordon even drove Batman's car!!!

Okay, you get those two - but I was speaking in hindsight.

But the whole concept of Robin helping Batman, on a physical side, is just a stupid idea.

It's like everyone has started dressing up as their favourite species of animal/bird etc.

As soon as Batman appears, people think: "I know, I'll dress up as a Cat and become a villain!" or... "Hey! I like Robin's, I'll dress up as a Robin and help Batman!" It's like these people are just walking into Bruce's life, such a stupid idea.

Anyway, Nolan will never use Robin. His name, his suit, his ****ing mask thing he wears, everything about him relates to fantasy.

Batman Begins wasn't a fantasy, it was based on realistic events. Robin would seriously ruin that concept.