Rotten Tomatoes Is Destroying the Film Industry

[MbJ]

You mean like the crazy reaction from fanbases who cry about critics and on numerous occasions have attacked them because these "fans" have the maturity of a 5 year old?

Yeah, if we're gonna argue Rotten Tomatoes has become a problem in the film industry or fan culture, I'd argue that people who are so sensitive to criticism that they freak out and start petitions to get critics fired or websites shut down just because their movie got a bad review to be even worse.

I'm also somewhat baffled by this idea that negative reviews hurting movies is a new thing. Even the posts here suggesting that studios may be tailoring movies to try and get favorable RT scores. How is that any different from the concept of Oscar Bait, which has been around for decades?

 

[JtheDreamer]

Nobody worships Rotten Tomatoes but I know plenty of people who worship studios.

I know right!

 

[JtheDreamer]

Funny, because that's what the editor in chief of your beloved RT thinks of you.

That's clearly sarcasm.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think he's trying to say that vanilla is the most popular ice cream.

But this is clearly untrue. Because TDK, Logan, Get Out, Avengers, Fury Road, etc.

Where is all the vanilla?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/

 

[Ivan Drago]

Funny, because that's what the editor in chief of your beloved RT thinks of you.

This is sarcasm. Nice job dude.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

DCEU fans are deadly serious at all times, which is why they hate Marvel. Can't take a joke.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Most of that vanilla stuff is coming from hardcore DCEU fans. That's just a fact. Any film that has one joke, one moment of levity is suddenly deemed a non risk taking MCU movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Up, The Hurt Locker, The Babadook, Arrival, Moonlight, Zootopia, The Wrestler, Boyhood, Spotlight, Gravity, Inside Out. So much vanilla.

 

[Neno_Kos]

That's clearly sarcasm.

he forget to put /s at the end

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Up, The Hurt Locker, The Babadook, Arrival, Moonlight, Zootopia, The Wrestler, Boyhood, Spotlight, Gravity, Inside Out. So much vanilla.

Disgusting amount of vanilla.

 

[metaphysician]

You still have all the free will in the world to go make up your own mind

I have a question for people who are mad at critics and RT. By your logic nobody should tell anyone that a movie is good either, correct?

Also, in no way is he saying "you are idiots". The obvious interpretation of his statement is "I watch bad movies, and tell you they are bad, so you don't have to inflict bad movies on yourself."

 

[Evil Twin]

Also, in no way is he saying "you are idiots". The obvious interpretation of his statement is "I watch bad movies, and tell you they are bad, so you don't have to inflict bad movies on yourself."

Which is absolutely how that should be interpreted. Albeit he's not really a critic but someone who aggregates other reviews.

 

[Yowza]

The RT meter is effective because it is a question of whether reviewers are recommending the movie. It actually makes perfect sense to simply read that if you are looking for whether you should see a movie or not based on numbers on RT.

It sounds like an effective tool for you personally to utilize in terms of going to the movie theater to see a movie. I just would like more nuanced numerical data to be presented so a lot of people don't get wrong impressions of what a 90% score or a 20% score on Rottentomatoes derives from.

How exactly does one change a movie to respond to an "RT wave effect"? What is an RT "wave effect"? And how is this different from liking and wanting good movies?

The wave effect is the reactions of everyone put into the "aggregate" tomatoscore (what is the exact aggregate per movie and are all aggregates created equal?) and the ripple effect it has on the moviegoing audience and critics perception based on only passingly informative data and keep in mind trends change (sometimes a marketing fail, controversy, ect.).

As far as how studio's react to get a positive score on RottenTomatoes can be simply making films even on lower budgets that will please a wider demographic thus taking less risks. A 5-6/10 by a majority=near 100% while divided film could go any which way 1 example I used in my post.

The website shouldn't be viewed as numero uno by too many and get the attention it gets because it really is only passingly informative (doesn't get treated as such all too often) and if anything if I'm on the site I just click on various negative reviews breezing through to see what each individual critic (or should I say bandwagon) didn't like about a movie (what can do on any website without a numerical score like a message board too).

 

[batfreakforever]

I couldnt give a !@#$ about RT in deciding if I should go to the movies because RT is someone elses views not mine.
I make my mind up by watching the trailers or if its a character or series I like. Thats how I decide.
Box office doesnt matter to me either because that should only matter on a business level not the viewer level.
The individual viewer can only speak for themselves.
Specter got some mixed reviews but I don't see it because some said dont. I see it because its James freaking Bond.
There will always be another Bond. Batman. Thor. Star Wars etc. If I dont like it then I wont keep watching that one over and over. I will just wait for the next one and try my luck just like we do with all and any new film.
Reviews and BO should only matter on a business side of things and nothing to the movie going audience. If anything its not RT but the internet and social media that is destroying the film business. Its baseless comments from faceless unknown bloggers that dont do anything but hate the world.
People are sheep now and need to be told what to say. To think. To do now these days and the words of an idiot can reach many more idiots in a blink of an eye now and people will believe the BS without a shred proof or truth to the infomation.
The major movie going audience doest blog or write reviews or look at RT or movie forums. They watch a trailer on tv or at the movies and decide thats what they want to watch or not.
A bad movie is an opinion and not fact. Same as a good movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

surprise surprise

 

[Alien Anal]

People not thinking for them selves ruines movies

 

[MadVillainy]

Do they really? Why does it matter what other people do? How does it ruin a movie for you as a whole?

 

[MbJ]

Again I just want to point out that the notion of people and critics having the same opinion of a movie considered "bad" somehow being a modern concept that didn't exist before Rotten Tomatoes is absolutely preposterous and hilarious.

Most of that vanilla stuff is coming from hardcore DCEU fans. That's just a fact. Any film that has one joke, one moment of levity is suddenly deemed a non risk taking MCU movie.

Oh my god I still remember being in the Green Lantern Corps forum when they announced they were using Lethal Weapon as a template for the movie, and people getting into fights about how there better not be jokes in this movie like in Lethal Weapon, because if they make jokes it'll ruin the seriousness of a guy in green energy pajamas.

Specter got some mixed reviews but I don't see it because some said dont. I see it because its James freaking Bond.
There will always be another Bond. Batman. Thor. Star Wars etc. If I dont like it then I wont keep watching that one over and over. I will just wait for the next one and try my luck just like we do with all and any new film.

Going to see bad movies just because of brand loyalty sounds like a great way to ensure more bad movies in the future.

 

[Peter_Quill]

Again I just want to point out that the notion of people and critics having the same opinion of a movie considered "bad" somehow being a modern concept that didn't exist before Rotten Tomatoes is absolutely preposterous and hilarious.



Oh my god I still remember being in the Green Lantern Corps forum when they announced they were using Lethal Weapon as a template for the movie, and people getting into fights about how there better not be jokes in this movie like in Lethal Weapon, because if they make jokes it'll ruin the seriousness of a guy in green energy pajamas.



Going to see bad movies just because of brand loyalty sounds like a great way to ensure more bad movies in the future.

I didn't know pajamas could be a threat to the environment.

Oops, forgot about these ones,

 

[chamber-music]

Professional and some amateur film critics see hundreds of movies a year. Critics can get easily jaded seeing a lot of run of the mill movies so can judge them more harshly than the average cinema goer who sees maybe ten movies or less a year.

 

[Alien Anal]

I have always thought the best time to see a movie would be at its first screening at a film festival when there isn't any marketing out and no hype. I can see why a lot of reviews from first screenings come out positive.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Interesting part of today's box office report:

"How can two movies which excelled in their testing, underperform?

In the case of Pirates 5, I hear that the movie had the highest test scores in the history of the series. Once audiences get into the movie, they seem to be enjoying it with an A- CinemaScore, higher than the B+ of On Stranger Tides, and in line with the second title Dead Man’s Chest and At World’s End, and an 82% Positive Score. Meanwhile, Baywatch tested over a 91 three times, and seemed to have a sweet spot with the 17-34 walking out of the screening.

Insiders close to both films find that it’s easy to blame Rotten Tomatoes, Pirates 5 and Baywatch respectively earning 32% and 19% Rotten. Increasingly the critic aggregation site is slowing down the potential business of movies. Pirates 5 and Baywatch aren’t built for critics, rather general audiences, and once upon a time these types of films — a family adventure and a raunchy R-rated comedy — were critic proof. Many have a problem with how Rotten Tomatoes computes their ratings, and the fact that these scores run on Fandango (which owns RT) is an even bigger problem. Over the weekend, I heard that some studio insiders want to hold off critic screenings until opening day, or cancel them all together (that’s pretty ambitious and would cause much ire). Already, they’re studying how advance ticket sales are impacted once the RT score becomes official."

http://deadline.com/2017/05/pirates...tales-baywatch-box-office-weekend-1202102887/

 

[MadVillainy]

All I read is "Boo hoo. Our movies sucked and didn't make the money we want"

 

[TheVileOne]

CinemaScore is a generally an unreliable gauge and it always has been.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

If their movies weren't **** then they wouldn't have to worry about RT.