Rotten Tomatoes Is Destroying the Film Industry

[Neno_Kos]

RT saved Edge of Tommorow. With basically good word of mouth. By both critics and general audience. Otherwise it would bomb 'cause of terrible marketing campagin.

Similar thing goes for Dredd. But the thing is. That movie didnt even had marketing campaign. It's hard to go on RT and see the score, when you dont even know the movie came out. Me, as big movie fan didnt even know till year later Dredd even come out lol And it was one of my favorite movies in year it was released.

 

[scarlet-witch]

The problem is that often CinemaScore has no correlation with legs. Rotten CinemaScores for things like The Witch had no correlation with its legs, it just measured the opening weekend percent that strictly wanted jump scares.

You have to pay to be part of CinemaScore too IIRC, so you know a lot of people aren't doing that. Out of all the sites that tally audience opinions, I just think they're the worst.

 

[MadVillainy]

RT saved Edge of Tommorow. With basically good word of mouth. By both critics and general audience. Otherwise it would bomb 'cause of terrible marketing campagin.

Similar thing goes for Dredd. But the thing is. That movie didnt even had marketing campaign. It's hard to go on RT and see the score, when you dont even know the movie came out. Me, as big movie fan didnt even know till year later Dredd even come out lol And it was one of my favorite movies in year it was released.

WoM is audiences going to see it and talking about it not RT score. And even the WoM didn't "save" it. And with Dredd nothing saved it. It made 41 mill worldwide
There's nothing to indicate that it was RT that helped either film

 

[-JKR-]

Man what is this based on?
People always claim this but I have yet to see the proof.

Transformers
BvS
Suicide Squad
MoS
Adam Sandler movies until he went to Netflix
Boss Baby
The Fifty Shades movies
Twilight movies
are all movies that made at least a decent amount of money (domestically, internationally, or worldwide) despite having mixed to negative reviews

While movies like
Edge of Tomorrow
The NIce Guys
Dredd
Deepwater Horizon
Kubo and the 2 Strings
all underperformed (domestically, internationally, or worldwide)

This whole notion of RT making movies fail is baseless at best. By the logic people are claiming of people use RT and that's why movies don't perform right has been proven wrong so many times

I wasn't talking about making movies fail, I was talking about people making up their own minds.

I see LOTS of band-wagon jumping, especially on-line.

It was just a matter of time before fanboys and geeks took over Holloywood.

Our movies are four quadrant, they're perfect for theme parks/merchandising/expanded universe, the general audience/critics enjoy them immensely, and the movies almost always rank in the top 15 for the year.

Fanboy franchises are a money printing press and the studios would be idiots to go back to days of Ishtar where a couple risky productions could waste a fortune and sink the studio.

Man, there's no uglier term than 'four-quadrant.'

Filmmakers and studios taking risks doesn't result in Ishtar. Christopher Nolan has directed risky and original movies with great success. Deadpool and Logan may be geek-driven, but they don't pander to a 'four-quadrant' audience, and instead struck their own direction. With great success. Get Out and Split were suprise hits this year. The Revenant and Hidden Figures did great.

Mainstream cinema needs a bit more variety. More comedies, more dramas, more adult thrillers (such as Silence of the Lambs). Let's 'educate' the audience into watching more than just Disney franchises and superhero movies. They may end up liking it.

Lots and lots of pandering to the online geeks communities in Hollywood. Studios are listening too much to the online 'movie geek journalism' community. People thought we were better off thanks to the rise of Ain't It Cool News and the likes... We're not! It's too much about not offending 'on-line whiners' these days, rather than make exciting, creative movies which will stand the test of time by the next Spielbergs, Scorseses, McTiernans, Camerons, etc.

Of course I'm generalizing. But that seems to be the current trend to me.

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[MadVillainy]

What evidence do you have of people not making up their own minds on a mass level. Enough to change the tide of the general consensus of a movie?

And the idea that Hollywood is doing stuff to not piss off online whiners is ridiculously silly.
How often are movies especially superhero movies changed from their source material.

And there's plenty of variety released every year. Go out and find it. And studios try and then the movies flop or underperform

 

[-JKR-]

What evidence do you have of people not making up their own minds on a mass level. Enough to change the tide of the general consensus of a movie?

And the idea that Hollywood is doing stuff to not piss off online whiners is ridiculously silly.
How often are movies especially superhero movies changed from their source material.

I just gotta go on-line.

 

[MadVillainy]

So....no real proof

 

[-JKR-]

So....no real proof

Like I've said, I just gotta go on-line and read what people have to say. So plenty of proof of bandwagon-jumping.

 

[MadVillainy]

What evidence of their of it being bandwagoning especially bandwagoning to the point that it completely changes the general consensus of a movie. If its so easy to find it point out specific definitive evidence

It seems likes your complaining just to complain. Especially if your not posting any proof

 

[-JKR-]

Let's just say I'm complaining just to complain. Alright.

 

[LoganGambit87]

quite sad that studios heads are no different than whiny fanboys oh no my movie is doing bad it is the critics fault instead of your crappy movie lol

 

[NotNickFury]

Here's what I'd like to know or speculate: at what point did Rotten Tomatoes become the go-to point before people saw a film? Like widespread when did that start? With superhero films specifically, for example, unless I missed it, I don't recall many folks talking about or promoting the Rotten Tomatoes scores for Iron Man or The Dark Knight. Sure, RT was around, but when did it become such a bigger part of the conversation?

 

[-JKR-]

quite sad that studios heads are no different than whiny fanboys oh no my movie is doing bad it is the critics fault instead of your crappy movie lol

These days fanboys are as dismissive and cynical as studios execs, and studio execs are as whiny as fanboys.

 

[Mysteryman]

Every time that I come into this thread, I think, "So, is Rotten tomatoes still destroying the film industry"?
Cant help it .

 

[STARMAN]

The effects of Rotten Tomato are being overstated. These films are failing or underperforming due to the films themselves or the marketplace they find themselves in. Not the final RT score.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I wasn't talking about making movies fail, I was talking about people making up their own minds.

I see LOTS of band-wagon jumping, especially on-line.



Man, there's no uglier term than 'four-quadrant.'

Filmmakers and studios taking risks doesn't result in Ishtar. Christopher Nolan has directed risky and original movies with great success. Deadpool and Logan may be geek-driven, but they don't pander to a 'four-quadrant' audience, and instead struck their own direction. With great success. Get Out and Split were suprise hits this year. The Revenant and Hidden Figures did great.

Mainstream cinema needs a bit more variety. More comedies, more dramas, more adult thrillers (such as Silence of the Lambs). Let's 'educate' the audience into watching more than just Disney franchises and superhero movies. They may end up liking it.

Lots and lots of pandering to the online geeks communities in Hollywood. Studios are listening too much to the online 'movie geek journalism' community. People thought we were better off thanks to the rise of Ain't It Cool News and the likes... We're not! It's too much about not offending 'on-line whiners' these days, rather than make exciting, creative movies which will stand the test of time by the next Spielbergs, Scorseses, McTiernans, Camerons, etc.

Of course I'm generalizing. But that seems to be the current trend to me.

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6 or 8 superhero movies per yesr aren't stopping Hollywood from doing anything.

And yes four quandrant movies like The Force Awakens and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 help pay the bills and keep the lights on way more than the typical dramas, indies, etc

Marvel Studios by itself brings in around 2 billion per year in revenue just from box office alone.

How much will they make from Snatched, King Arthur and Alien Covenant?

I'm all for more movies like Gravity and Ex Machina but there's no guarantee Hollywood will focus on innovative and experimental movies once reliable blockbusters like superhero movies go away.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Here's what I'd like to know or speculate: at what point did Rotten Tomatoes become the go-to point before people saw a film? Like widespread when did that start? With superhero films specifically, for example, unless I missed it, I don't recall many folks talking about or promoting the Rotten Tomatoes scores for Iron Man or The Dark Knight. Sure, RT was around, but when did it become such a bigger part of the conversation?

I definitely remember RT being a big deal for Iron Man and TDK. Especially the former (we already kinda knew what to expect from TDK from Batman Begins). Iron Man getting in the 90s was HUGE for the hype of it.

 

[Ivan Drago]

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[StormC]

I definitely remember RT being a big deal for Iron Man and TDK. Especially the former (we already kinda knew what to expect from TDK from Batman Begins). Iron Man getting in the 90s was HUGE for the hype of it.

I agree with this. 2008 was when attention really began to shift towards RT, I feel. I think the fact that the MCU began to over and over get Fresh ratings also pushed the site onto the platform it has now.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The all "problem" can easily be resumed to one single sentence....

> 95% of the human population are sheep.

They are unable or unwilling to think for themselves. For many, it's easier this way, since all they want is to belong. Even if is the wrong option, at least they are not alone in it.
Of course, i'm talking in general terms, not movies in particular.


As for the all RT "issue"....the world is expensive and time consuming, meaning that most people don't have the money, time and/or patience to see bad movies; they want to go watch something they TRUST is worth their time and money.


You can apply both things i said to anything in this world since all is connect.
For example, if people didn't work almost 24/7, weren't paid like crap, everything was not extremely expensive....people would not care and would watch anything they wanted, good or not.
Like it is, many people will wait for it to be on Netflix or whatever....but then they don't, because life got in the way.

All in all, RT is nothing more than a scapegoat in all of this.


wow, i'm really philosophical today....

 

[2kt09]

And yes four quandrant movies like The Force Awakens and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 help pay the bills and keep the lights on way more than the typical dramas, indies, etc

Pay the bills and keep the lights on?
Those movies and their merchandising (especially their merchandising) seem to do excessively more than just that.

One more time with this analogy. Blumhouse does pay the bills, keep the lights on and then some
with maybe tax percentages of those movie's budgets for 3-4+ movies.
There is the issue of this enormous gap between what's considered low budget and the accepted budget blockbusters that need to be made to sell well. And that issue is as the years prove with the bombs and "under performances", is that it's not a sustainable venture.

That's likely killing the industry more than RT.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

To be fair Blumhouse's smaller studio success is the exception, not the rule.

Not that I'm opposed to movies like Get Out. It's just that I think there's plenty of room for the Marvel Studios and the Blumhouses to co-exist.

 

[2kt09]

It certainly is the rule if you see the list of production companies that do movies compared to the few names we just happen to know.
The issue is there is little in-between. The big 6 or w/e number of the studio conglomerates that rule over Hollywood only really see making "Blumhouses" or "Marvel Studios" and...that unfortunately is likely why they bust and have to do mergers.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The studio game is treacherous.

A novice might think New Line and Lionsgate were unstoppable during LotR and Hunger Games' run, lol.

 

[metaphysician]

Since people seem to be begging the question again. . .

If people are not supposed to use reviews to judge which movies are worth seeing, what *should* they use?