The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rotten Tomatoes score? - Part 1

[DarthSkywalker]

If Spidey opens to $130m it's way behind Iron Man 3, yes. And where is the problem with that? It's a recovering franchise, and opening north to $130m is pretty amazing if you asked me.

You are the one comparing it to IM3. You are the one who said this film is going to make a billion.

Are you now switching the goalpost?

And for posts like yours, always tempered with a negative remark that this franchise can't win in the eyes of some here. Iron Man 3 came straight from The Avengers and did some INSANE numbers, I never expected TASM2 to make IM3 numbers, but the critical reception is very similar.

It is negative because you won't look at anything that isn't completely positive about this film without a glare. The IM3 comparisons are off, and I don't even like it all that much. But the critics liked it well enough, and the general audiences wanted to see it badly.

Context, son. But I like your witch hunting towards me. It's cute. Didn't you endorse a personal attack against me some posts ago?

Did you just call me son?

These aren't personal attacks. Posters are simply calling you out on your ironic stance. But yes, I do find you extremely bias and incapable of seeing differing views from your own. You have decided to be the champion of this film for some reason on this board, going around responding to many post with, "I disagree", a big post with quotes from certain critics, and then telling others how they are wrong.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

The signals for the upward trend that I'm talking are all there, for those that are willing to see. It's sort of frustating to know that even if this opens to $130m+, there will still be people claiming that "well that isn't even close to what Iron Man 3 did", when that's very different franchises at very different stages.

For all those willing to see or all those willing to see what they want to see?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's where I'm drawing the line. I've reported this post and I'll ask you to stop with the personal attacks ONE more time.

Spider-Fan is sitting right there. You'd think he'd have said something right now if I was breaking the rules.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The signals for the upward trend that I'm talking are all there, for those that are willing to see. It's sort of frustating to know that even if this opens to $130m+, there will still be people claiming that "well that isn't even close to what Iron Man 3 did", when that's very different franchises at very different stages.

Because pulling up a handful of glowing reviews proves a trend? The 1st 3 reviews I see on TASM2's RT page are from Top Critics, and all 3 are rotten. And that is without looking beyond the 1st 3 reviews! So, that same game can be played by either side. But, what neither side can't refute are scores: 6.1 average per review, 72%, declining returns in several foreign markets, etc. These are not things people are SELECTING to point out. These are true.Now, we don't know what business it will do in China yet. That is a big foreign market Spidey should do well in. I give you that. Also, I would assume tracking numbers should increase over the week. But, not by nearly 40 mil. THAT is very rare.

Also, if this makes 130 mil OW, I will be the 1st to be saying wow, it is doing amazing.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

If TASM2 opens to over $130 million, I don't think anyone here will be saying "it's not even close to IM3". If it were to happen people will (for the most part) be shocked and impressed as they didn't see it coming.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Don't become the Max Dillion of this thread. You're bordering on it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nobody with half a brain would call 130mil opening a failure in any way shape or form.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

No people are predicting the RT score to go down because it keeps happening with CBMs. IM3 started at a 92% and is at a 78% after the US critics put up their reviews. So if this performs like IM3 ........

Another example is Thor 2 which started at 80 something and is now at 65%. Even TWS and TA dropped a bit after the US critics came in.

Saying that Iron Man 3 started with 92% is silly to me. All the reviews start with 100% or rotten, The First Avenger started with a rotten, TASM2 and IM3 started with 100%. Using the first negative review in the RT run of a film to determine how much acclaimed the film will be is not that different than claiming that dreaming with numbers will give you the numbers of lottery tickets. It's all chance, and random.

TASM2 can end up above IM3 or below 60s, that's not really how this works.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because pulling up a handful of glowing reviews proves a trend? The 1st 3 reviews I see on TASM2's RT page are from Top Critics, and all 3 are rotten. And that is without looking beyond the 1st 3 reviews! So, that same game can be played by either side. But, what neither side can't refute are scores: 6.1 average per review, 72%, declining returns in several foreign markets, etc. These are not things people are SELECTING to point out. These are true.Now, we don't know what business it will do in China yet. That is a big foreign market Spidey should do well in. I give you that. Also, I would assume tracking numbers should increase over the week. But, not by nearly 40 mil. THAT is very rare.

Also, if this makes 130 mil OW, I will be the 1st to be saying wow, it is doing amazing.

That is the problem here. There are plenty of things pointing against this "upward trend", but Avenging Spidey won't hear otherwise. As if he says it, it will be so.

Nobody with half a brain would call 130mil opening a failure in any way shape or form.

Of course not. But I am also not predicting this film to make a billion even as many foreign markets are declining.

 

[hafizbat]

Nobody with half a brain would call 130mil opening a failure in any way shape or form.

Maybe for Age of Ultron.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Saying that Iron Man 3 started with 92% is silly to me. All the reviews start with 100% or rotten, The First Avenger started with a rotten, TASM2 and IM3 started with 100%. Using the first negative review in the RT run of a film to determine how much acclaimed the film will be is not that different than claiming that dreaming with numbers will give you the numbers of lottery tickets. It's all chance, and random.

TASM2 can end up above IM3 or below 60s, that's not really how this works.

What I mean by started with is BEFORE the US critics came in. TFA wasn't released internationally before being released in the US so it was a different situation. The RT meter usually drops when the US critics put up their reviews, it's a general trend. It isn't random. This could be an exception but that is unlikely. All we can do is make predictions based on trends.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

Spider-Fan is sitting right there. You'd think he'd have said something right now if I was breaking the rules.

That's not really how moderating works. It's not just for him to decide.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That is the problem here. There are plenty of things pointing against this "upward trend", but Avenging Spidey won't hear otherwise. As if he says it, it will be so.

Like I said, I am not sitting here looking for things to justify anything. But, I'm also not ignoring them, either.

That's not really how moderating works. It's not just for him to decide.

Fun fact: I know how moderating works

 

[Avenging Spidey]

Fun fact: I know how moderating works

I never said you didn't. Unless you're DarthSkywalker.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Maybe for Age of Ultron.

Well yeah because the first film opened with 207mil.

Of course not. But I am also not predicting this film to make a billion even as many foreign markets are declining.

Right.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Like I said, I am not sitting here looking for things to justify anything. But, I'm also not ignoring them, either.

Yep, and really I don't think we'd even be pointing this stuff out in such a manner if not for this situation. I find BO and RT trends fascinating, but this isn't really that at this point.

I also think it is why you feel that might be entering debbie-downer territory, even though you clearly aren't.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yep, and really I don't think we'd even be pointing this stuff out in such a manner if not for this situation. I find BO and RT trends fascinating, but this isn't really that at this point.

I also think it is why you feel that might be entering debbie-downer territory, even though you clearly aren't.

I like watching numbers play out, also. But, things are more fun when you're playing with a lead than from behind

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I never said you didn't. Unless you're DarthSkywalker.

You found out our secret. Spider-Fan and I are one in the same. I find it fun to talk to myself at times.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

What I mean by started with is BEFORE the US critics came in. TFA wasn't released internationally before being released in the US so it was a different situation. The RT meter usually drops when the US critics put up their reviews, it's a general trend. It isn't random. This could be an exception but that is unlikely. All we can do is make predictions based on trends.

It doensn't really matter. Saying when a negative review comes - or saying that the RT score started with a 100% or a 0% - is non-sense. The RT meter not always drop when the film gets reviewed by US critics, and I can say without a single doubt that the reception that we've got pretty documented on the Critics Reviews thread was far more positive from the US than it was from the UK critics. Most of them haven't published their reviews though, what happened was that the first review to came up were negative, and from sources known for hating on superhero films, like the NY Post, who has written negative reviews for ALL superhero films since ever, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like watching numbers play out, also. But, things are more fun when you're playing with a lead than from behind

Spider-Man is at such a unique position. It is in a situation where $700-800mil is an actual disappointment. It is kind of like when TDKR made close to 1.1 billion, and it was considered a "slight disappointment".

Though of course the amount of money and pressure TASM2 has doesn't come along everyday.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

It doensn't really matter. Saying when a negative review comes - or saying that the RT score started with a 100% or a 0% - is non-sense. The RT meter not always drop when the film gets reviewed by US critics, and I can say without a single doubt that the reception that we've got pretty documented on the Critics Reviews thread was far more positive from the US than it was from the UK critics. Most of them haven't published their reviews though, what happened was that the first review to came up were negative, and from sources known for hating on superhero films, like the NY Post, who has written negative reviews for ALL superhero films since ever, if I'm not mistaken.

Kyle Smith from the NY Post actually gave TA and TDK a positive review.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

Kyle Smith from the NY Post actually gave TA a positive review.

He gave a negative to Iron Man 3 and his colleague from NY Post gave a negative to The Winter Soldier, so The Avengers is the exception.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man is at such a unique position. It is in a situation where $700-800mil is an actual disappointment. It is kind of like when TDKR made close to 1.1 billion, and it was considered a "slight disappointment".

Though of course the amount of money and pressure TASM2 has doesn't come along everyday.

True, but TDKR didn't have the Joker in it, and it had legitimate extentuating circumstances. I think the 1.1 billion it made is very solid. But, I agree that Spidey at 700-800mil is not the same as, say, if Cap got there. Heck, many Superman fans were upset Superman didn't get that far! But, the downside for Spidey is, we know the series has more potential. Sony does too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It doensn't really matter. Saying when a negative review comes - or saying that the RT score started with a 100% or a 0% - is non-sense. The RT meter not always drop when the film gets reviewed by US critics, and I can say without a single doubt that the reception that we've got pretty documented on the Critics Reviews thread was far more positive from the US than it was from the UK critics. Most of them haven't published their reviews though, what happened was that the first review to came up were negative, and from sources known for hating on superhero films, like the NY Post, who has written negative reviews for ALL superhero films since ever, if I'm not mistaken.

Examples, please. This isn't some made up trend. IT has happened over and over again. If you have examples of this not happening in the last 2 years, where the trend of releasing internationally before domestic release, I'd love to know.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

He gave a negative to Iron Man 3 and his colleague from NY Post gave a negative to The Winter Soldier, so The Avengers is the exception.

His colleague has nothing to do with it. They do not have the same opinion. Kyle Smith gave X-Men FC and BB positive reviews as well.