The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Rotten Tomatoes score? - Part 4

[DyeLorean]

This change in the characters' storylines comes from rebooting the franchise and trying as hard as possible to stay away from Raimi's portrayal of them. I just think they went too far, changing a lot of things into unsatisfying ways. There's a reason why in the comics things are the way they are and why they work.

 

[Visualiza]

Norman and Harry. I still have trouble believing how badly Webb screwed them up.

That makes two of us, at least. Throw Uncle Ben and the villains into that pot as well.

 

[HarryOsborn]

I like that line in the comics too, but after he got Gwen killed, I doubt Peter would give two poops about Harry dying. If they insist on taking up the "best friends" angle after this (which in itself was questionable, considering how rushed it was), I will call bull. Seriously, I'd say Harry is beyond redemption at this point.

I understand where you're coming from, but think about Peter beating Harry senselessly, after he briefly cackles over Gwen's death. As they fight Harry struggles to call his glider and in real time Harry goes from fighting and laughing to impaled and lying lifelessly on the floor. Peter realizes what happened and screams something like "not you too" shakes him a few times, and looks back to Gwen's body as the police arrive.

I like this take because it punishes goblin for the murder of Gwen and it pays tribute to the source material (goblins last stand), without having to resurrect Norman Osborn (they could continue with him). Idk I just didn't feel moved when Gwen died, there was no morning, there was no aftermath. I wanted to see Peter in tears, looking at uncle bens grave, beating Harry senselessly during a conflicting ideological banter. It just felt like a climax with no falling action, and is there for hallow and meaningless.

Also, Electro was enough of a nothing role for Jamie Foxx, who's a great actor with his star on the rise. I doubt Will Smith would have wanted to even come near it.

He's not a star on the rise, he's already risen. I'm just saying they cast him because they wanted a black actor who's going to bring in a more hip hop crowd. Electro was white in the concept art, and not that race matters, but that signals to me that the change wasn't "intended from conception" or "because of acting caliber". They could have put anyone white, black, asian, a-list, b-list, unknown and he would have turned out relatively the same way.

 

[HarryOsborn]

Also I agree though, Harry is irredeemable at this point. I just wish the neck snap made the final cut.

 

[AnneFan]

I just wish the neck snap made the final cut.

I wouldn't have liked the neck snap. The final cut borrows from the comic (falling and being webbed by Spider-Man) and adds in twists of its own, namely her head hitting the floor.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

That makes two of us, at least. Throw Uncle Ben and the villains into that pot as well.

Uncle Ben? Do you mean his characterization in the TASM or how they pretty much sidelined him for Richard?

 

[Visualiza]

Uncle Ben? Do you mean his characterization in the TASM or how they pretty much sidelined him for Richard?

All of the above.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

There is a destinction between the comics and the movies. The COMIC Harry is tragic the movie Harry doesn't have to be.

That's like saying the COMIC version of Spider-Man has to shoot webs, but the movie Spider-Man doesn't lol. Yes, he does have to be tragic...or he isn't Harry Osborn.

 

[HarryOsborn]

That's like saying the COMIC version of Spider-Man has to shoot webs, but the movie Spider-Man doesn't lol. Yes, he does have to be tragic...or he isn't Harry Osborn.

Ehh he was a creepy messed up kid. I felt bad for him, but I wouldn't say I felt sympathy for him. Also I wouldn't call James Franco tragic.

 

[HarryOsborn]

I wouldn't have liked the neck snap. The final cut borrows from the comic (falling and being webbed by Spider-Man) and adds in twists of its own, namely her head hitting the floor.

Here's the thing i know I'd be annoyed with the neck snap too, but I like that it makes Harry directly responsible. Instead he feels like watered down Norman.

And for whoevere complained uncle Ben got the shaft totally agree

 

[The Joker]

That's like saying the COMIC version of Spider-Man has to shoot webs, but the movie Spider-Man doesn't lol. Yes, he does have to be tragic...or he isn't Harry Osborn.

Exactly. There's a reason why his death is always making the saddest comic book moments lists:

http://www.craveonline.com/comics/articles/137442-the-10-saddest-moments-in-comics

http://slymdayspring.blogspot.ie/2010/06/my-top-12-saddest-moments-in-comic-book.html

http://www.killerreviews.com/forums/showthread.php?5541-10-Saddest-Moments-in-Comics-Pt-1

TASM 2's Harry is the polar opposite of this. Webb had no understanding of the character at all.

 

[HarryOsborn]

Not gonna lie I was hoping Norman would be alive pulling the strings, I wouldn't blame Webb though. I'd blame the subpar screenwriters we have who's filmography include revenge of the fallen.

 

[XSpidercideX]

TASM2 is now rated higher than Godzilla on IMDB.

7.5 to 7.4

Bet RT critics didn't see that coming.

*Drives cop car into them*

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I am sure they care.

 

[Spider-Fan]

TASM2 is now rated higher than Godzilla on IMDB.

7.5 to 7.4

Bet RT critics didn't see that coming.

*Drives cop car into them*

Once again, IMDB ultimately proves absolutely nothing. I think it was you who I even pointed out to why it is a flawed metric.

 

[HarryOsborn]

TASM2 is now rated higher than Godzilla on IMDB.

7.5 to 7.4

Bet RT critics didn't see that coming.

*Drives cop car into them*

Rotten tomatoes doesn't have critics, it's a collective measure of critical response that changes as professional critics release their reviews. It's not like they conspire against a certain film. Hell before it came out in the US AMS2 had a 71-75% "Fresh" approval rating, but when our critics got to it, score dropped steadily to a rotten 55%. Honestly I didn't care about this movie until I saw goblin was going to be in it, Jamie Foxx showing his combover on Leno was enough to quell my excitement early last year. Then the storyboards showing Harry as Goblin made me even more apprehensive, I didn't get excited until I saw the trailer, some of dehaan's filmography, and the fact that goblin got a fight sequence.

Having seen the film I can see why it's slammed, it was once again trying too hard. I really enjoyed it, but I enjoyed it because sevenwebheads had me high on the hype and filled in all the blanks, similarly to how I enjoyed Spider-man 3 because I'd read the novelization prior (which better developed sandman, peter, mj, and Eddie). I genuinely feel bad for sony, Marc Webb, and everyone involved. The way they marketed this thing as an event movie, and debuted it almost a month early in other nations to allow time for word of mouth to spread to America, leads me to believe they thought they'd made a masterpiece that would be acclaimed. It's s shame really, as always I blame you avi arad, you greedy old man.

 

[HanShotFirst]

TASM2 is now rated higher than Godzilla on IMDB.

7.5 to 7.4

Bet RT critics didn't see that coming.

*Drives cop car into them*

Good gooood, MUTO deserves to sink lower mwhaha.

 

[spiderman2]

Yeah I don't think IMBD matter and hear is why. Spider man 2 is only at like a 7.4 dark knight is at like a 9 and they are both great movies and consider pretty close by most people yet there is a 1.6 difference in there scores. Most people wouldn't say that dark knight is supiera to spider man 2 but accoreding to IMBD it is.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yeah I don't think IMBD matter and hear is why. Spider man 2 is only at like a 7.4 dark knight is at like a 9 and they are both great movies and consider pretty close by most people yet there is a 1.6 difference in there scores. Most people wouldn't say that dark knight is supiera to spider man 2 but accoreding to IMBD it is.

Yeah...they probably would. Spidey 2 is considered amazing based on the standards of it's time. TDK actually changed things, it's partly why CBMs are judged way harsher than they used to be.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The movie has been out everywhere for more than three weeks. People voting with their wallets is the only poll that matters.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I wouldn't have liked the neck snap. The final cut borrows from the comic (falling and being webbed by Spider-Man) and adds in twists of its own, namely her head hitting the floor.

the death in the movie is quite honestly even better than in the original comicbook I think

not to put down the original, that's still fantastic too

 

[LizardMan07]

Very powerful imagery of time as well, Peter fighting with everything he had to stop the clock and have even another millisecond with her alive, wasn't to be. No matter what he did.

And that's going to haunt him now, I think it's very powerful story telling and very powerful character development

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I like the CB version better because it was unexpected. He was so pleased with himself about saving her until he pulled her up.

 

[LizardMan07]

Good point actually, would be quite hard to pull that off on screen though, since some already think this Parker is arrogant.

I enjoyed the slow motion stuff, I thought they handled it quite delicately!

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I like the CB version better because it was unexpected. He was so pleased with himself about saving her until he pulled her up.

yes that was really emotionally powerful, but in the comic it works that well because the readers were surprised with Spider-man, the comics on that era wouldn't usually dare to do something that brutal so it emphasized that shock factor. In the movie on the other hand, majority already know the story of Gwen dying so it's like people kinda know she is gonna die but don't want her to. So, the dramatic slow-motion and the web turning into a hand, it empasizes the moment that you didn't want to happen but was bound to