RottenTomato critic ratings for CBMs do you think are way too low?

[Motown Marvel]

I actually feel most of them are rated too highly.

 

[Drakepool]

What the, how is Spider-Man 2 higher than Avengers?

Thor should also be higher up, IMO.

 

[psylockolussus]

Iron Man and The Avengers are too high.

Thor should have been in the 80s.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

As with many other lists or critics, sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. But I saw MOS twice and I rate it 3/5, which would be 6/10, which would be 60%, so RT is not that far from what I felt. This time.

 

[Human Torch]

I don't get the hate for TIH.It's ranked lower than Superman Returns.Really?

 

[DCW]

Obviously Man of Steel got ripped. Others I feel should be higher are Thor, Batman 89, Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Visualiza]

Well, the tomatometer isn't so much a rating as it is a recommendation. With that being said, I don't particularly have an opinion on the matter either way; it simply is what it is.

Man of Steel, however...all I'll say is that the critics were actually very generous with that film. One of the genre's worst in recent memory for me; serves as a perfect example of what not to do, particularly with regard to dialogue, pacing, character development, plot depth, tone, and so on. I am taken aback by how terrible this film was, I feel like a lot of people are judging it based on their love of Superman first, and not necessarily the quality(or rather, the lack thereof) of the film itself. Far too many films & filmmakers get crucified for the same issues present in MoS.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Well, the tomatometer isn't so much a rating as it is a recommendation. With that being said, I don't particularly have an opinion on the matter either way; it simply is what it is.

Man of Steel, however...all I'll say is that the critics were actually very generous with that film. One of the genre's worst in recent memory for me; serves as a perfect example of what not to do, particularly with regard to dialogue, pacing, character development, plot depth, tone, and so on. I am taken aback by how terrible this film was, I feel like a lot of people are judging it based on their love of Superman first, and not necessarily the quality(or rather, the lack thereof) of the film itself. Far too many films & filmmakers get crucified for the same issues present in MoS.

I'm not. I'm loving the film for what it is first before my love of Superman. And it is a great film to me.

 

[spider-neil]

What the, how is Spider-Man 2 higher than Avengers?

Better story and WAY better villain.

 

[spider-neil]

With ASM, I think reviewers felt that had seen this movie before, hence the score. Retelling of Origins isn't a problem for comic fans as a hero's origin is retold and rebooted over and over again, we're used to it, the general audience are not.
That said, how many times has Shakespeare been retold or the Greek myths?

 

[Visualiza]

I'm not. I'm loving the film for what it is first before my love of Superman. And it is a great film to me.

I would certainly hope so, and good on you if you do, but if you really feel that way, why single that out in the first place?

If the shoe fits, wear it, but if it doesn't, then don't.

 

[spider-neil]

Well, the tomatometer isn't so much a rating as it is a recommendation. With that being said, I don't particularly have an opinion on the matter either way; it simply is what it is.

Man of Steel, however...all I'll say is that the critics were actually very generous with that film. One of the genre's worst in recent memory for me; serves as a perfect example of what not to do, particularly with regard to dialogue, pacing, character development, plot depth, tone, and so on. I am taken aback by how terrible this film was, I feel like a lot of people are judging it based on their love of Superman first, and not necessarily the quality(or rather, the lack thereof) of the film itself. Far too many films & filmmakers get crucified for the same issues present in MoS.

I felt this on first viewing. I thought MoS was all over the ****ing place on first viewing but my second viewing was a lot more positive. I was braced for the bombastic action and a lot of the story elements came together.
Also I was able to pick out the score second time around when first time I was missing Williams score too much.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I would certainly hope so, and good on you if you do, but if you really feel that way, why single that out in the first place?

If the shoe fits, wear it, but if it doesn't, then don't.

Why single out mentioning my love for Superman?

Because you stated you feel people are enjoying the film only because of their biased view of Superman first and foremost, when I don't see it that way and that's why I explained by mentioning such. It's a great film, and then a great Superman film to me.

 

[Snow Queen]

Well, the tomatometer isn't so much a rating as it is a recommendation. With that being said, I don't particularly have an opinion on the matter either way; it simply is what it is.

Man of Steel, however...all I'll say is that the critics were actually very generous with that film. One of the genre's worst in recent memory for me; serves as a perfect example of what not to do, particularly with regard to dialogue, pacing, character development, plot depth, tone, and so on. I am taken aback by how terrible this film was, I feel like a lot of people are judging it based on their love of Superman first, and not necessarily the quality(or rather, the lack thereof) of the film itself. Far too many films & filmmakers get crucified for the same issues present in MoS.

I don't like Superman at all. I've never been interested in him. I loved Man of Steel. I felt the emotion, connected to the characters, loved the sci fi take, loved the music, acting, the technical stuff was fantastic, but again my favourite part was how emotionally connected with the characters.

Biggest problem for me was that the action went on too long at times (namely the Superman vs giant tentacles fight).

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I don't get the hate for TIH.It's ranked lower than Superman Returns.Really?

TIH had good things, but it was edited to be as rushed as possible (I believe because of the criticism oh Ang Lee's Hulk pace). That hurt the film as, IMO, did some of the humor. Hulk is basically a tragic character, so when you go with jokes about how Banner chooses pants or why he can't perform sexually, then it's just embarrassing. Plus, it was supposed to be a reboot but the origin was reduced to a messy 2 minute choppy synopsis. Many people never saw or had probably forgotten Lee's movie and this new one didn't have a proper origin to make people connect with the story and characters. Hulk himself didn't look very real in many shots.

Better story and WAY better villain.

But Loki was actually good in "Thor." It's a pity that they decided to have him here for plain comedy many times.

With ASM, I think reviewers felt that had seen this movie before, hence the score. Retelling of Origins isn't a problem for comic fans as a hero's origin is retold and rebooted over and over again, we're used to it, the general audience are not.
That said, how many times has Shakespeare been retold or the Greek myths?

Not to mention that Shakespeare himself was retelling almost all of the stories he wrote.

But I still think they were trapped between being faithful to the origin and being forced to change it just to make it different than Raimi's movie.

 

[spider-neil]

But I still think they were trapped between being faithful to the origin and being forced to change it just to make it different than Raimi's movie.

Absolutely.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Better story and WAY better villain.

What's so great about SM2's story?

Seems like the basic MJ-Peter love roller coaster and Parker's mentor turns evil/kidnaps MJ story from SM1 with the quitting story arc thrown in.

Whereas Avengers story is the culmination of half a dozen movies that pays off flawlessly.

and I think Loki's manipulation of the Avengers, continued conflict with his brother Thor, and egotistical shortcomings (Hulk, alien invader leader whom he feared) were all more interesting than the science experiment turns yet another father figure evil to kidnap MJ retread.

 

[spider-neil]

What's so great about SM2's story?

Seems like the basic MJ-Peter love roller coaster and Parker's mentor turns evil/kidnaps MJ story from SM1 with the quitting story arc thrown in.

Whereas Avengers story is the culmination of half a dozen movies that pays off flawlessly.

and I think Loki's manipulation of the Avengers, continued conflict with his brother Thor, and egotistical shortcomings (Hulk, alien invader leader whom he feared) were all more interesting than the science experiment turns yet another father figure evil to kidnap MJ retread.

The story is the main protagonist sees his life going to ****, he is failing at school, can't hold a job and the woman he loves is going to marry another man because he (protagonist) can't devote any time to her.
He thinks '**** this! I'm outta here'.
When he does this his life is GREAT. He is back on the right track to getting his life in order, but over time despite putting down the responisibility of a hero he sees the people that need him. He has to put on the costume again despite knowing his life is going to return to the same crap it was before.
He does this and is rewarded at the end of the movie when he gets the girl.

Brilliant story telling, a far better and engaging story than the 'beat-em-up' that is Avengers and (for me) the second best superhero movie ever made.

 

[cherokeesam]

With ASM, I think reviewers felt that had seen this movie before, hence the score. Retelling of Origins isn't a problem for comic fans as a hero's origin is retold and rebooted over and over again, we're used to it, the general audience are not.
That said, how many times has Shakespeare been retold or the Greek myths?

Too many to number.
The obvious difference being that those were spread out over *centuries,* as opposed to rehashing the same goddamn superhero origin stories again and again every five frickin' years.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The story is the main protagonist sees his life going to ****, he is failing at school, can't hold a job and the woman he loves is going to marry another man because he (protagonist) can't devote any time to her.
He thinks '**** this! I'm outta here'.
When he does this his life is GREAT. He is back on the right track to getting his life in order, but over time despite putting down the responisibility of a hero he sees the people that need him. He has to put on the costume again despite knowing his life is going to return to the same crap it was before.
He does this and is rewarded at the end of the movie when he gets the girl.

Brilliant story telling, a far better and engaging story than the 'beat-em-up' that is Avengers and (for me) the second best superhero movie ever made.

So he quits helping people because of his first world problems but realizes he's being a jerk when people and loved ones scream for help so he suits up again?

I wouldn't put that in the top ten superhero movie character arcs let alone my top 2.

Avengers wasn't just punching. Black Widow had to face her fears of mortal combat with her long time friend. Stark had to figure out SHield's angle and break ties to save the world. Banner was a threat to everyone and had to figure put a way to trust and help the team and world. Thor still had hopes Loki would put family above ambition. Cap felt out of place and struggled to find his purpose in the modern struggle. Fury had to bring together these god-like forces with Loki sowing the seeds of distrust and hate.

This was Peter Parker's conflict and demons (mostly a repeat of SM1 and Superman 2) in SM2 multiplied by 10.

 

[spider-neil]

So he quits helping people because of his first world problems but realizes he's being a jerk when people and loved ones scream for help so he suits up again?

The dynamic of a hero being pulled back into conflict giving up all the things he loves was fascinating to me. Sure, Superman 2 did it first but (imho) SM2 did it better.

As for Avengers, I thought the hero match ups were excellent and that is pretty much it. The generic bad guys were a terrible secondary villian.

It really does come down to personally choice but the character moments in SM2 is the reason why I rate the movie so highly.
Peter explaining UB murder to his aunt.
Drucken Harry unloading (verbally) on Peter
Quiet moments with Doc Ock, his wife and Peter
All go to creating likeable supporting characters than enhance the action.
Each to their own but SM2 (imho) is second only to TDK and SM2 is the most I've seen a superhero movie in theatres (5 times).

 

[Senator Pleasury]

What's so great about SM2's story?

Seems like the basic MJ-Peter love roller coaster and Parker's mentor turns evil/kidnaps MJ story from SM1 with the quitting story arc thrown in.

But this time he's having problems with his powers, his life, his girl. In SM1 he didn't have the girl, he was okay with his powers and his life was going on fine (he got out of school, obtained a job).

Whereas Avengers story is the culmination of half a dozen movies that pays off flawlessly.

and I think Loki's manipulation of the Avengers, continued conflict with his brother Thor, and egotistical shortcomings (Hulk, alien invader leader whom he feared) were all more interesting than the science experiment turns yet another father figure evil to kidnap MJ retread.

No question Avengers had a lot to work with. Avengers is the sequel to four movies. Still, Captain America having to cope with having lost everyone he knew and being in a different era is never touched (only in a brief insufficient scene at the beginning); Loki had no more development than he had in "Thor." There, he was not just the villain, he was hurt because he had lived all his life in Thor's shadow, felt left out and he found out Odin, whom he believed his father, had used him as a tool for peace. Nothing of that is here, just that he is a evil being always malevolently smiling. Thor himself comes back to earth without any proper explanation (he couldn't and that was a tragedy in his movie). Hulk was interesting, thanks to Mark Ruffalo. Too bad it was hard to know which Hulk this was: Ang Lee's, Leterrier's or a new one.

So he quits helping people because of his first world problems but realizes he's being a jerk when people and loved ones scream for help so he suits up again?

I wouldn't put that in the top ten superhero movie character arcs let alone my top 2.

I would. It's the same thing that happened in Superman II.

Avengers wasn't just punching. Black Widow had to face her fears of mortal combat with her long time friend. Stark had to figure out SHield's angle and break ties to save the world. Banner was a threat to everyone and had to figure put a way to trust and help the team and world. Thor still had hopes Loki would put family above ambition. Cap felt out of place and struggled to find his purpose in the modern struggle. Fury had to bring together these god-like forces with Loki sowing the seeds of distrust and hate.

This was Peter Parker's conflict and demons (mostly a repeat of SM1 and Superman 2) in SM2 multiplied by 10.

Black Widow and Hawkeye needed more time certainly. Some themes are convincingly stated, but their relationship is just one scene as Hawkeye spends almost the whole movie under hypnosis. Stark was interesting. But I didn't see Captain America had to find anything he didn't know. He was a leader before and he becomes a leader now. But yes, he had to convince the rest he was up to it.

Actually, writing this I don't feel there's a point of comparison between SM2 and Avengers.

 

[DCW]

I personally think Spider-Man 2 is much better than Avengers, though I enjoy both. The character development in SM2 and its payoff are near flawless.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The entire Avengers movie is one huge pay off from six previous movies which is why it struck such a huge pop culture nerve.

The execution was near perfect as well. The closest any major superhero movie has gotten to being the living embodiment of a comic book. Pure bliss.

 

[kedrell]

Well I'd disagree with a great many on the list as to their scores but what's the point of complaining about something that's already set. I just rest secure in the knowledge that what the RT says really doesn't mean anything when it comes to whether I'll like a movie or not, especially in this genre. I mean, I like Punisher'04 at 29% waaaaay more than TDK at 94% so all bets are off. I'd give TDK the Punisher's RT score and give Punisher Anghulk's score and Anghulk I'd give Steel's score(12%).