The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[Voorhees]

I couldn't have said it any better myself. I hate when people say his story is done...as if villains have to have one story in a franchise and that's it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea innit. Why does there HAVE to be a new villain in each new film? That whole thing is played out IMO. Why can't there be a constant, re-occuring menace? The Joker is perfect for that sorta role, just popping up like a literal jack-in-the-box to cause chaos for Batman, the police AND the new villain.

 

[Voorhees]

I totally agree....I'm tired of this whole "every villain must die or never return" routine for horror movies. Have Joker return AND introduce a new villain, so you get he best of both worlds.

 

[Ledlunar]

Yeah, I feel Joker's story is kinda done in Nolan's Batman, now it's just the aftermath. The next movie needs to deal with the power vacuum that was created with Jokers departure, Maroni and Carmine's Death caused. Also the next movie needs to be a redemption movie for Batman.




Also if the Joker does get recast I would want Benicio Del Toro.
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I don't even consider TDK The Jokers story there is nothing about him really in it . he's like Nolan said just the Jaws of the film showing up and stealing the screen, he should continue showing up throughout the films now that he's been introduced, I would even like to have scarecrow pop up again... everyone is saying they want the next movie to show how Batman inspired the freaks so let them loose on the city, and introduce something new hopefully The Riddler and even maybe Catwoman...

I consider TDK to be Harvey Dent/Two Faces story as learn more about him than the Joker they both had equal screen time... maybe Dent had a bit more, or it just feels like it to me,,, I would prefer to have Joker pop up and up again, and Id prefer Nolan bring him back in style with another good respected actor who could carry the role aswell, Id be happy with Johnny, he's good you can't doubt it easily as good as Heath was, though Heath played The Joker which is a much cooler role than anything Johnny has played.. Dicaprio is talented and is around the same 6 something height as Ledger, Id be happy with both of them, or else Billy Crudup with the make up Ledger really aged so a 10 year difference or so isnt that important to me, I just want someone to do it and have it as seamless as possible to let us see how things would have unfurled Im sure Heath would want to see another great actor pay homage to him,

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well really, Joker only had about 30 minutes screen time in TDK. So I don't know how anyone can say he is done.

 

[Voorhees]

He had maybe a half an hour of screentime, but he still did a lot with the screentime he had. However, if he appears again I'd like for him to be seen on screen a little more.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea he definitely was a major part of the film considering his screen time.

After seeing Joker in TDK I've always thought that he could be like a horror movie villain you know? A constant, never ending, never stopping menace. Like Jason or Freddy.

 

[Voorhees]

That's what the Joker is, and he needs to be like that on screen, as you said. It's a crime that he's only been in two live action films. I'd like to see him in Batman 3, and if there's a Batman 4, give him a break and let another villain get the spotlight, then if there is, by some miracle of God a part 5, bring the Joker back again.

 

[Crook]

Yea Joker's story ain't done, no way.

With the way the character and his relationship with Batman was established in TDK leaving him out of the finale would be very stupid IMO.

I see TDK as more of a introduction to the Joker, a introduction to Batmans no.1 nemesis.

And I've said it before but i'll say it again...

Would Joker, a man who is "completed" by Batman, just sit in a cell twiddling his thumbs whilst the man who gives his life purpose is out there, getting chased by police and other villains? Of course ****ing not!

The Joker would never let anyone else have a piece of Batman, the Joker would want him all to himself. And a cell wouldn't stop him.

Joker's story arc is done. Not necessarily the character. Everything that was needed to be said, was conveyed properly in the film. Which is to say that there weren't any open-ended holes.

It's the same way with Rachel in BB. She was pretty much "done" at the end, but she could have (and was) brought back with the sequel. But it didn't have to be turn out that way.

 

[Bathead]

As far as I can tell, when you look at it objectively, the only reason some people (if they were honest about it)say Joker shouldn't come back is because of Ledger's death. IMO that's nonsense.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

As far as I can tell, when you look at it objectively, the only reason some people (if they were honest about it)say Joker shouldn't come back is because of Ledger's death. IMO that's nonsense.

Yea I'd agree with that. Even on a subconscious level, they don't even realize it.

The fact is if Heath was alive to day and he did interviews saying "Bring on Batman 3!!" this place would explode with anticipation. Every single fan of the movie and TDKs Joker would be like "Hell yea!!!" No one can deny that, well, they can, but they will be lying.

So all this "Joker is done, there is no need for him!" is a load of old bollox. If Heath were alive there wouldn't be anyone saying that, guaranteed.

 

[Joker's Lackey]

The character is not done, just his arc in the current movie's story. I want Joker back but in a new Story line. He really should not be back in a Nolan movie. Maybe B4, with a new director and team. Joker can be the central villain, but right now, I don't see him fitting in.

Also does anyone think Nolan would really recast the Joker in the next film? I don't that impression from him at all. I just don't see him coming back in a Nolan Directed Movie.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

If Joker came back for the next one who says he has to be a main villain? You can have you new villain (my choice is Riddler) then have Joker screw around with his plans as well as Batman and the police.

Yea it is unlikely Nolan will re-cast. But if he does have plans for Joker then no one should doubt him.

 

[Ledlunar]

Joker's story arc is done. Not necessarily the character. Everything that was needed to be said, was conveyed properly in the film. Which is to say that there weren't any open-ended holes.

It's the same way with Rachel in BB. She was pretty much "done" at the end, but she could have (and was) brought back with the sequel. But it didn't have to be turn out that way.

yea... but thank god he did bring back Rachel Im super tired of the formulated super hero film where each movie introduced people then you never see or hear from them again, like Vicki Vale in 89' Catwoman in BR ect ect (just using Batman films here)

I like how Nolans movies feel connected and I think by Having the Joker retrun would be a fine way to do it, aslong as Nolan can find someone he thinks can give the same care & devotion to the character Heath did, of course if he can't i trust the man, I just don't trust the fans saying he can't be topped without them even auditioning or looking at some other actors first... thats like saying Jack can't be topped or Heath Ledger being cast is a mistake.... maybe everyone will bite there tongues if someone else did a pretty seamless job of doing it, I love what Ledger did but he doesn't own the character he just put his own quirky stamp on it, but Im sure other actors can still act the Joker without seeming like a bad immitation.. other whys the wouldnt be called actors but impressionists

 

[Voorhees]

If Joker came back for the next one who says he has to be a main villain? You can have you new villain (my choice is Riddler) then have Joker screw around with his plans as well as Batman and the police.

Yea it is unlikely Nolan will re-cast. But if he does have plans for Joker then no one should doubt him.

I say split the time between Riddler and the Joker, without making one seem more important than the other. I think that if Nolan had plans to use the character again, he should just go ahead and recast. It's not a crime to recast...everyone loves and respects Heath's performance but it wouldn't be such a crime to recast an actor who can generate that same amount of magic.

 

[Ledlunar]

If Joker came back for the next one who says he has to be a main villain? You can have you new villain (my choice is Riddler) then have Joker screw around with his plans as well as Batman and the police.

Yea it is unlikely Nolan will re-cast. But if he does have plans for Joker then no one should doubt him.

I would really like to see The Joker & Riddler in the same film aswell, I still would love to see a fear toxined Riddler hullicinate and see Jokers at one point showing the scare he had put on the city, and it was a great moment in When in Rome while he was on the plane at the end..

someone egotistical and precise like The Riddler I think would fear someone chaotic like The Joker

Id love a recast if it was done well, The role is Heaths but considering the circumstances someone else could still recreate the magic on screen in Nolans films

 

[Ledlunar]

I say split the time between Riddler and the Joker, without making one seem more important than the other. I think that if Nolan had plans to use the character again, he should just go ahead and recast. It's not a crime to recast...everyone loves and respects Heath's performance but it wouldn't be such a crime to recast an actor who can generate that same amount of magic.

Id give The Riddler a bit more have The Joker get loose towards the end of the 2nd act and have one more go, The Joker can just pop up, The Riddler needs a bit of a story incorporated into it, i love the detective approach... Id have Catwoman be the main focus.. aswell as the cities view on Batman.. keep in mind Im guessing there will be much less mob involvement in the next film, at least I hope so they kindof made a point in TDK that The Joker had pretty much owned them all in the end, then Dent went and killed Maroni, with less mob involvment I think the next film could easily include Catwoman, The Riddler and a bit more of The Joker while still involving some of Bruces own demons with covering for Dent and a budding relationship with Selina

 

[Voorhees]

To have the Riddler make the Joker scared because of his intelligence when the Joker showed no fear in the first movie...that'd be a disaster. Don't make either scared of the other, it demeans a character to make them scared of another villain when they've never shown fear in the past.

 

[Ledlunar]

Joker's story arc is done. Not necessarily the character. Everything that was needed to be said, was conveyed properly in the film. Which is to say that there weren't any open-ended holes.

It's the same way with Rachel in BB. She was pretty much "done" at the end, but she could have (and was) brought back with the sequel. But it didn't have to be turn out that way.

wow Im flooding this thing here.... anyways

Again does anyone else here feel TDK wasn't The Jokers story line? It was Dents? I mean we seen him introduced, some back story from before TDK (internal affairs), be seen as a white knight of the city then lose everything and become the villain, Joker was just introduced and sent to Arkham... and Arkham is pretty much not the kind of place to contain The Joker, I think Nolan made this Joker to keep him around so I hope he doesnt retire him because of Heaths accidental passing. Im sure Heath wouldnt want this... and If Nolan only does more Id prefer him be the one to bring back his Joker then some new director and new cast like alot of people seem to want

 

[Ledlunar]

To have the Riddler make the Joker scared because of his intelligence when the Joker showed no fear in the first movie...that'd be a disaster. Don't make either scared of the other, it demeans a character to make them scared of another villain when they've never shown fear in the past.

I think you misread it... a common thing about the Joker is other villains are afraid of him.. thats kindof what makes the guy top dog, I never meant have the Joker be afraid of the Riddler that would be a joke

read when in rome theres a great moment in the end where The Riddler is on a plane and he gets fear gassed and imagines all the passengers as The jOker.. it was writen by Jeph Loeb & Illistrated by Tim Sale who did The Long Halloween & Dark Victory , which is what Nolan has drawn alot of influence from so if they did do The Riddler Im sure it would be along the lines of how much balls he has

 

[Ledlunar]

someone egotistical and precise like The Riddler I think would fear someone chaotic like The Joker

sorry I wrote that awful its easy to misinterpret it, I meant would cause fear for the Riddler

 

[Voorhees]

Sorry for misintepreting that, I should've re-read it before posting, but I think that the Riddler should maybe put on a front. By that I mean have him exude a lot of confidence and show that he's not afraid, but when he's going up against Batman or the Joker, you can tell by the way he's trying to fight them that's he afraid of them.

 

[Goodfellas]

So far the only reason i have seen to bring back Joker are "Because hes such a great character"

Granted he is a great character, but lets face it his arc in NOLANS MOVIES are done.

He tried to corrupt Gotham and in doing so he got to Dent but wasn't able to get Batman to kill and go down to Jokers level

The city has changed , Batman is on the run from the law, Dent is "dead", and the mob is in shambles

Id say he did enough for one movie what would be the point to bring him back?

Joker is not the only one that knows that Dent went mad and killed people, This would be a perfect solution for Riddler to come in and play mindgames with Batman knowing the truth about Dent and what not.

Or if not Riddler Ramirez is still alive, not to mention there are other ways

I just have yet to see a leigt reason why Joker needs to be back. Everyone just keeps throwing him into these ideas just for the hell of it and for no reason at all.

 

[Voorhees]

That's not the only reason. The reason people want him back is because he's Batman greatest adversary, and everyone wants to see a hero's greatest enemy constantly popping up. Again, the Joker is not done in Nolan's world. He had plans in TDk...some worked, some failed. There's no doubt in my mind he could concoct more plans.

 

[Goodfellas]

That's not the only reason. The reason people want him back is because he's Batman greatest adversary, and everyone wants to see a hero's greatest enemy constantly popping up. Again, the Joker is not done in Nolan's world. He had plans in TDk...some worked, some failed. There's no doubt in my mind he could concoct more plans.

But why would he need to?

Obviously he could conjur some more plans for the sequel but honeslty he DOESNT NEED TO for the story to advance

Thats not a legit reason you just want to see him because it the Joker, not because it makes sense with the story