The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[Rasputin911]

I agree. You nailed it.


If the Joker doesn't return then fine. But if Nolan had plans for the Joker in a future film, I guarantee he's going forward with it.
I don't see Harry Potter fans complaining about that Dumbledore recast. People need to quit acting all scary and keep faith in the director. He knows what he's doing.

You guarantee? People need to quit acting like they can read the director's mind.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea well that goes for the people who say he won't be used as well.

But to be honest, I think if Nolan had ideas for Joker before Heath died, he wouldn't change them. I don't think he is the sorta director who would compromise like that.

 

[excreations]

Its simple in Nolans verse Heath Ledger is the Joker

10 years form now when they do another franchise than we can see the Joker

I am telling you rite now its not a good idea to have someone else play Joker when Heath Ledger just created one o fthe greatest movie villains off all time not to mention one of the greatest performances in general in movie history

And you want someone to try and fill those shoes?

Come on people you sound nuts, i know you love the Joker but Batman has plenty of other villains he could use that are almost as good


If Heath was alive today id say sure bring him back but unfortunatley hes not so lets move one

agreed.

 

[El Payaso]

Its simple in Nolans verse Heath Ledger is the Joker

10 years form now when they do another franchise than we can see the Joker

I am telling you rite now its not a good idea to have someone else play Joker when Heath Ledger just created one o fthe greatest movie villains off all time not to mention one of the greatest performances in general in movie history

And you want someone to try and fill those shoes?

Come on people you sound nuts, i know you love the Joker but Batman has plenty of other villains he could use that are almost as good


If Heath was alive today id say sure bring him back but unfortunatley hes not so lets move one

Heath didn't create Joker. The character was already created.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Exactly, the Joker is bigger than ANY actor. The Joker is bigger than Marlon Brando. The Joker is bigger than Jimmy Cagney. The Joker is bigger than Bob De Niro. The Joker is bigger than Al Pacino. etc etc.

 

[The Joker]

Heath didn't create Joker. The character was already created.

Well, in fairness he said Heath created one of the greatest movie villains. He never said Heath created the concept of the Joker character himself.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but that doesn't mean anything. To just abandon the character because Heath did an amazing job but unfortunately died is stupid. If Nolan has no more ideas for the character (which I seriously doubt) fine, leave him out. But if he does have ideas they shouldn't be compromised because the actor cannot return.

R.I.P Heath Ledger (it's the first anniversary today) And congrats on getting the Oscar nod

 

[El Payaso]

Well, in fairness he said Heath created one of the greatest movie villains. He never said Heath created the concept of the Joker character himself.

Huh? Then what movie villiain (described as one of the greatest) did he create then?

He did create a version through his acting. And that version based on the script.

 

[Adrian89]

Although Joker is my favorite Batman Villain, I don't want a come back! He had his movie, been there, done that. As simple as that.

They should give other villains the opportunity! No Two-Face, No Joker, No Scarecrow in Batman 3, please!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The Joker? Been there, done that? Them things do not make sense. There is never a "been there, done that" with the Joker. It's like getting to the climax of Empire Strikes Back when Vader reveals all and then saying "Oh he has revealed what he is about. He's told Luke what his game is. Let's just ditch him now."

 

[Adrian89]

Whatever. You may be right about that dude, BUT he had a major role in The Dark Knight, he played his part (imo!)!

Look, all I'm saying is let's give other villains a chance too.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Sorry man, I didn't mean to come across as a dick head. Just in a bad mood!

Yes, yes, yes!! I do definitely want to see some other villains get the Nolan treatment. My choices are Riddler and Deathstroke. I wrote a rough story outline a little while ago with them two as the main villains. But Joker can still be included as a enemy to the enemies of Batman, if you know what I mean? The Joker wouldn't want someone else playing around with or killing Batman would he? And The Joker isn't dead, like he was in Burtons films. Yes Heath is unfortunately dead, but Joker doesn't die with Heath.

 

[The Joker]

Huh? Then what movie villiain (described as one of the greatest) did he create then?

He did create a version through his acting. And that version based on the script.

Yeah, that's what he meant. Heath's Joker is totally unique in his style, mannerisms, voice, appearance etc. We never saw a Joker with that unique style before.

That was all Heath. Anyone else who plays the role, even with that same script and style, would not be the same simply because they're not Heath.

Every actor has their own style and finesse. Heath put his stamp on that Joker.

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah, that's what he meant. Heath's Joker is totally unique in his style, mannerisms, voice, appearance etc. We never saw a Joker with that unique style before.

That was all Heath. Anyone else who plays the role, even with that same script and style, would not be the same simply because they're not Heath.

Every actor has their own style and finesse. Heath put his stamp on that Joker.

I agree with you. But that's what basically happens with every actor in every role. But Ledger didn't create a villain here, just portrayed one with the necessary share of originality.

 

[Laderlappen]

Exactly, the Joker is bigger than ANY actor. The Joker is bigger than Marlon Brando. The Joker is bigger than Jimmy Cagney. The Joker is bigger than Bob De Niro. The Joker is bigger than Al Pacino. etc etc.

Terry Malloy and Jake Lamotta is better than any actor. But I wouldnt want anybody than Brando or De Niro to play them in sequels to On the Waterfront and Raging Bull.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That's a fair point. But the Joker is a entirely different thing than them two characters.

I could say the same about Col. Kurtz, about Michael Corleone. But again, completely different than someone like Joker.

 

[Judson Caspian]

I think you don't have the ability to discern potential.

You don't have the ability to recognize when potential is consumed.

 

[Laderlappen]

That's a fair point. But the Joker is a entirely different thing than them two characters.

I could say the same about Col. Kurtz, about Michael Corleone. But again, completely different than someone like Joker.

I dont see a difference.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The difference is that everyone already knows who the Joker is, regardless of Heath Ledger. You ask the average person who Jake LaMotta or Terry Malloy are. They would be like "Huh?".

 

[El Payaso]

Plus, we have had a number of different actors portraying the Joker before, and in a very good way. Corleone and LaMotta? Once each.

The problem is the re-cast factor. With Rachel we had the perfect excuse: Holmes stunk, so who cares.

 

[Laderlappen]

The difference is that everyone already knows who the Joker is, regardless of Heath Ledger. You ask the average person who Jake LaMotta or Terry Malloy are. They would be like "Huh?".

I dont see how that would change anything.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Because that shows that The Joker is bigger than any actor.

 

[Laderlappen]

and so are Jake LaMotta or Terry Malloy. They are just not as famous.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but you mention them and most people wouldn't know who they are, and even if they do they would probably be like "Oh the boxer Robert De Niro played?"

You mention Joker to someone they aren't automatically going to go "Ohh Heath Ledger!". Joker was big before Heath came along, Joker was big before Jack came along.

Not a single one of my friends read comic books. But they all know who The Joker is.

 

[Laderlappen]

And I dont see why the knowledge of the character by people I know or dont know is a factor where a role should or should not be recast.