The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[El Payaso]

But see thats the thing there are plenty of actors iam sure who given the freedom could come up with a great joke but you cant do that in Nolan films now because we already saw the Joker, it was unique in its own way

now you want someone else to come in and do something different? that wouldnt work because Joker mannerisms, personality you name it have already been set in tone in Nolans verse so the actor would pretty much have to mimic most of what ledger did oter wise it becomes an issue of conitunity

How do you explain that to millions of people who saw TDK and they see someone elses take on Joker and its different than Ledger?People would start thinking that some other psycho decided to follow in the Joker from TDK


If your gonna bring in an actor to play the Joker in the nex Nolan film he has to continue what Ledger with the character and maybe expand on it a little


Thats why i kep telling you people that say theres plenty of actors that could do what ledger did and try and create there own joker, yeah i am sure there are but save that for someone elses take other wise we would have 2 different jokers in the same movie verse, which would be stupid

Fair points indeed.

But two things:

- All that about Ledger's Joker fitting a specific vision, being unique in its own way, that applies to Nicholson too. Or Romero.

- I don't think Ace of Knaves was talking about an actor replacing Ledger but an actor in the position that Ledger was; that is, to create a Joker from sctratch in the first movie the character is in.

 

[weezerspider]

And yes i know Jack Nicholson is a great actor but imo Ledger did a way better job than Nicholson in terms of creating the character of the Joker

ehhhh.... I like Ledger's performance better, but he didn't really create anything. The character is extremely dark in the more serious comics and, regardless of what anyone thinks, both Jack and Heath's characters were dark. They couldn't get away with some of the things they did in TDK with Batman89 without getting an R-rated film. Heath was wonderful, but Heath honestly brought as much to Joker as Jack did. The real difference was Nolan and co. The writing in TDK was much superior to that of Batman 89.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well to be fair, Heath did lock himself away for a month and read nothing but Joker stories. Heath came up with the make up design, the walk, the talk and all the little facial tics. He also kept a in character diary during that isolated month.

Nicholson didn't do anywhere near the same amount of actual work to create the character. But it could be said that Nicholson didn't really need to.

 

[weezerspider]

Well to be fair, Heath did lock himself away for a month and read nothing but Joker stories. Heath came up with the make up design, the walk, the talk and all the little facial tics. He also kept a in character diary during that isolated month.

Nicholson didn't do anywhere near the same amount of actual work to create the character. But it could be said that Nicholson didn't really need to.

Heath didn't finish any of those Joker stories, he said that in an interview a few months before he died. The walk, talk and facial tics were outstanding though.Again, I'm not trying to diminish Heath's performance. Its one of the greatest, but i'm appauled that people actually want to quit putting Joker in movies because of his performance.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Ohh yea, those people are the definition of idiot.

 

[weezerspider]

Also locking himself up in his room for the character pretty much ends the discussion because he would only do that if he LOVED the character. If He LOVED the character, he wouldn't want the character to be banned from movies. Heath would want the Joker to continue to burn Gotham on the big screen.

 

[El Payaso]

Well to be fair, Heath did lock himself away for a month and read nothing but Joker stories. Heath came up with the make up design, the walk, the talk and all the little facial tics. He also kept a in character diary during that isolated month.

Nicholson didn't do anywhere near the same amount of actual work to create the character. But it could be said that Nicholson didn't really need to.

That's the thing.

If any actor feels he needs to spend a month (or whatever the time is) doing that in order to play a character, then excellent, it talks volumes about his devotion to his art, etc. But in acting there's no solid link between the amount of hours he spends working and the final results. Put a really bad actor to work a year on a character and the results won't be fantastic necessarily. Give Marlon Brando a couple of minutes...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but I think that's more to do with Jack basically being a toned down Joker anyway All he really needed to do was amp it up a little bit.

 

[Crook]

Yeah, if there's anyone in Hollywood right now that would be readily accepted as Heath's replacement, it'd be Johnny. He's pretty much respected by everyone, and has a talent that no one can deny. The looks don't hurt either.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

i think that if johnny depp replaced heath, the general audience would accept it.

they would realise the curcumstances of why he was replaced(whilst still remembering his outstanding performance in the first place),

but also be respectfull of depp (because he's generally liked) both as an actor and as someone who is honouring a deceased actor's previous portayal of the character.

I'd like that, but I don't think Depp wants to spend the next few years filling in Heath's shoes. He's already taking his role in Parnassus. It would be cool to see though

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Indeed it could.

To be honest I've never really supported the idea for him as the Joker, but now I am warming to it. I'd love to see his spin on the character. Whether it is part of this franchise or a future franchise.

After Nolan is done and even if he doesn't include the Joker, I don't think it will be a very long wait before we see him again. Not another 20 years anyway.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

i think that if johnny depp replaced heath, the general audience would accept it.

they would realise the curcumstances of why he was replaced(whilst still remembering his outstanding performance in the first place),

but also be respectfull of depp (because he's generally liked) both as an actor and as someone who is honouring a deceased actor's previous portayal of the character.

True but I`d prefer Crispin Glover instead of Depp. Yeah Depp is popular but c`mon Crispin is notorious for his psycho/outcast/weird characters and he actually looks remotely like the joker in terms of body shape.

Really though depp or crispin. I would prefer either of them over nearly every other actor going. Each would be able to pull some crazy stuff out of that roles.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Crispin Glover? HAHAHAHAHA No!!

Don't mean to be rude man but NO!!! to Crispin Glover. We need actors for the role, not caricatures.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Crispin Glover? HAHAHAHAHA No!!

Don't mean to be rude man but NO!!! to Crispin Glover. We need actors for the role, not caricatures.

Crispin is great. The only good thing in the Charlies Angels drekk.

Or are we all just jumping on the gold-plated Johnny Depp bandwagon round here? Yes, Jack Sparrow was good but it doesn`t mena that depp is the man for every role going.

Besides by using Crispin you get around the filling Heaths shoes problem as he looks different enough. Whereas I suspect if you slap the clown makeup on depp he would look like the disaster/superhero/epic movie version of heath`s joker. I suspect he`d look too similar.

 

[Crook]

No to Crispin because he doesn't have nearly the talent required to live up to Heath. That's the big difference between him and Johnny.

 

[Rincewind]

Well, while I personally am on the train that wants no Joker in the next movie, if we get one, he should look like the TDK's character as much as possible. Besides, the Joker didn't really looked like Heath, so...

 

[Iceburgeruk]

No to Crispin because he doesn't have nearly the talent required to live up to Heath. That's the big difference between him and Johnny.

I don`t know. He`s done some good roles. I mean his entire career has been made up of eccentric characters. I think he`s good enough, especially if joker is going to be a second stringer to the riddler or something.

Depp is overrated. He`s great but he is the be-all and-end-all whenever a role comes up. It was probably a similar hyping up of a popular actor that led to nicholson getting the 89 job. We all know the guy who plays jack napier in the flashbacks in 89 batman should have got the job instead of nicholson. He loooked creepy as hell, a missed opportunity there Burton!

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He looks more like the joker than nay other actor associated with the part and burton used him as only the flashback jack napier, idiot idiot idiot! Imagine batmand 89 with taht guy as joker. Imagine how much coooler it woudl have been!!!
And more importantly, is it too much to ask that they cast someone who actually has the same build as the joker? Whats wrong with casty a thin, long faced actor as the joker? All the jokers up to now have seemed a bit squat comapred to cartoon and comic joker.

 

[El Payaso]

He looks more like the joker than nay other actor associated with the part and burton used him as only the flashback jack napier, idiot idiot idiot! Imagine batmand 89 with taht guy as joker. Imagine how much coooler it woudl have been!!!
And more importantly, is it too much to ask that they cast someone who actually has the same build as the joker? Whats wrong with casty a thin, long faced actor as the joker? All the jokers up to now have seemed a bit squat comapred to cartoon and comic joker.

Yes, the guy looks like the comics Joker so he's the greatest/coolest choice.

Now... it might not be relevant, but just out of mere curiosity: Can. He. Act?

That said:

close enough to the bat-comics era Burton wanted to portray.

Ledger also didn't look like the most accurate choice, but you already know how that turned out.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I don`t know. He`s done some good roles. I mean his entire career has been made up of eccentric characters. I think he`s good enough, especially if joker is going to be a second stringer to the riddler or something.

Depp is overrated. He`s great but he is the be-all and-end-all whenever a role comes up. It was probably a similar hyping up of a popular actor that led to nicholson getting the 89 job. We all know the guy who plays jack napier in the flashbacks in 89 batman should have got the job instead of nicholson. He loooked creepy as hell, a missed opportunity there Burton!

I don't think Depp's overrated, he's just over-mentioned. He's a great actor, the guy disappears into any role he plays. Because of this people want him to play lots of roles, but the truth is he'd probably be very good in a lot of those roles.

In terms of Glover....if they ever do Joker again in Nolan's films, it wouldn't be him. He looks far too different, even with makeup, his facial structure is just too different from Heath's.

 

[JuntMonkey]

Basically, both sides of "should the Joker return?" are kinda dumb:

1) I WANT THE JOKER BACK BC I LOVE HIM AND WANT TO SEE NEW ACTOR!!

2) LET JOKER R.I.P. IN NOLANVERSE, I WANTS TO SEE NEW VILLIANS!

Of course, what really matters is what Nolan had/has in mind for the story. I could see him thinking Joker would be redundant for now, and I could see him thinking Joker is everything, moving forward with something that ends in a Killing Joke type moment, or having Joker even "help" Batman to an extent by attacking other villains, or who knows what else. Or something in-between, a minor role for Joker.

As for casting - a couple of months ago I noticed a hint of something in an excellent young charismatic adored-by-females actor, and started pushing his name forward in conversations about recasting the Joker. Then, just a couple of weeks ago, it was announced that he would be playing the lead in Nolan's "Inception". Yea, Leonardo DiCaprio.

Somebody mentioned his name a few pages ago and was ridiculed, but I don't see what there is to ridicule. Like it or not, he is now the clear front-runner for the role, if the role gets recast at all. It doesn't mean it's likely, but I think it has somewhere around a 1 in 15 chance of happening.

If anybody would like to bet me, with you taking Johnny Depp (or any other one actor's name) and me taking Leonardo DiCaprio, I would bet up to $1,000, probably more if there were actually a way to keep it honest. Of course, if the role is not recast or if another actor gets it, it's a draw, which would be expected most of the time.

Edit: Regarding other villains in general - on an IGN Movies podcast in December, one of the guys said that he had literally cornered Nolan at a party. What he got out of him was not to necessarily expect big-name villains.

 

[thorstone]

My money is on Johnny Depp being cast in the role of the Joker...

 

[LadyofLight]

No Depp, no Glover (eventhough Crispin would make an awesome Joker). Let the character remain at Arkham.

Bring on Catwoman, Riddler and/or Harley Quinn.

 

[Joker's Lackey]

Yeah, I feel Joker's story is kinda done in Nolan's Batman, now it's just the aftermath. The next movie needs to deal with the power vacuum that was created with Jokers departure, Maroni and Carmine's Death caused. Also the next movie needs to be a redemption movie for Batman.




Also if the Joker does get recast I would want Benicio Del Toro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8PqiCh7AlE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM_kanesAoU&feature=related

 

[Voorhees]

I don't think his story is done, because there are so many stories you can tell, especially with a villain like the Joker. I think he should definitely return, and it would be superb if they could get Crispin Glover in the role. He'd be fantastic, and I think he'd be able to add in his own mannerisms to the chafracter but it'd of course be important to keep some of the things Heath did intact.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea Joker's story ain't done, no way.

With the way the character and his relationship with Batman was established in TDK leaving him out of the finale would be very stupid IMO.

I see TDK as more of a introduction to the Joker, a introduction to Batmans no.1 nemesis.

And I've said it before but i'll say it again...

Would Joker, a man who is "completed" by Batman, just sit in a cell twiddling his thumbs whilst the man who gives his life purpose is out there, getting chased by police and other villains? Of course ****ing not!

The Joker would never let anyone else have a piece of Batman, the Joker would want him all to himself. And a cell wouldn't stop him.