The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[raynorWilm]

IDK, I can almost see Leo as being "too big" for BB3. If anyone, I can kind of see Marion as joining the cast of BB3. TDK saw the loss of the only female character in his bat franchise, so that has got to be fixed, and I think Marion is a great candidate to fill that void..

 

[The Purdom]

I know he's in Iron Man 2 but Sam Rockwell has the acting range to pull off the Joker. Justin Hammer isn't a big enough villain to be in Iron Man 3 or the Avengers movie so he should be free. You can't tell me he can't do crazy, The Green Mile anyone?

 

[raynorWilm]

I think Sam is a fine actor, but I dont think he is right for the Joker. Plus, no way would he play villians in two huge superhero franchises...

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

hmm Ben Foster, now thats a name I wouldnt have thought of but it works. He can play the psycho role real well.

James Franco, Gordon-Levitt, and Guy pierce are all great choices.

 

[Trooper]

double post

 

[Trooper]

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzX9jHB3LfA[/YT]

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzX9jHB3LfA

 

[Boom]

No, no, no, a thousand times no.

 

[sdc10]

Im in the group that thinks that the joker should not make a full scale return, a reference or some flashback stuff but im against recasting him for a large part

 

[nathaniel]

This is just fan hope imo Joker is gone until the next franchise i think if Heath was alive he would have appeared in Arkham for a short scene in B3 but thats it. Its time for another villain and i personaly want to see Catwoman and Riddler.

 

[evilskillz]

This is just fan hope imo Joker is gone until the next franchise i think if Heath was alive he would have appeared in Arkham for a short scene in B3 but thats it. Its time for another villain and i personaly want to see Catwoman and Riddler.

I agree. He may have been in the third movie if Heath was alive. But even that, you don't want two movies with Joker being the main villain. It ties down a movie too much and it takes out the importance of the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight will always be the joker movie of the trilogy, I'm sure that was planned from the beginning. I have a feeling the third movie will be more going back to the roots of Batman and trying to make the story come full circle. At least thats what I would hope to achieve if I'm Nolan.

 

[KalMart]

How about Nick Stahl as Joker, if they bring him back?

 

[regwec]

Nick Stahl was alright as Yellow Bastard, but I think he is the theatrical equivalent of still waters.

 

[KalMart]

Nick Stahl was alright as Yellow Bastard, but I think he is the theatrical equivalent of still waters.

He surprised me in that role, figured some of it could carry over to Joker. A bit too 'punk-ish', though, I guess.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I wouldn't mind a Joker recast but I don't see it ever happening and I think it'll be well over a decade or two before we get another live-action Joker. Heath left his mark on the character and it's something people will remember and talk about endlessly.

 

[evilskillz]

I wouldn't mind a Joker recast but I don't see it ever happening and I think it'll be well over a decade or two before we get another live-action Joker. Heath left his mark on the character and it's something people will remember and talk about endlessly.

I agree. As a Joker fan, I couldn't of asked for a better movie to feature my favorite villain. That's enough for me.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't understand why people don't want the Joker back. I mean, it's not your average villain, it's the frickin Joker!

If there is a role for him in the next film he should definitely be re-cast and included. Especially if Nolan is gonna call it quits after 3 movies.

You don't keep a villain like Joker alive at the end of a movie then completely brush him under the carpet for the finale to a Batman trilogy.

And what was the point of establishing the relationship with Batman in TDK if he is just gonna be forgot about in the next film?

 

[evilskillz]

I don't understand why people don't want the Joker back. I mean, it's not your average villain, it's the frickin Joker!

If there is a role for him in the next film he should definitely be re-cast and included. Especially if Nolan is gonna call it quits after 3 movies.

You don't keep a villain like Joker alive at the end of a movie then completely brush him under the carpet for the finale to a Batman trilogy.

But you gotta admit, don't you feel that erie feeling when Heath talks about how they are destined to do this forever. And then that's the last scene we see of Joker for awhile. Perhaps you think that doesn't make sense in how they were setting it up. But I think that makes that scene more epic than just bringing the character back for another Joker movie.

I think every Joker scene in "The Dark Knight is more important and great because he's in one movie. If his story is played out over two movies, I think he loses some of his appeal in the movie we just saw. I think "The Dark Knight" should always be the grand Joker and Two-Face story. These characters don't need to be played out over multiple films. I'm not saying you can't ever do these characters again, just not in the nolan universe.

I think the Joker could be felt as a presence in the next film but shouldn't be recast or be in any scene. Not just for practical reasons, heath being dead, but also because the story needs to move on and I think it keeps "The Dark Knight" unique and having things the next film won't have.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I see what you are saying, but I disagree.

This is Joker we are talking about, his story is never done as long as Batman's story isn't done.

I look at TDK as an introduction to the Joker, it just wouldn't make any sense to leave out Batmans ultimate nemesis in the finale to a epic Batman trilogy. There needs to be some closure, some absolution on their relationship.

And as I've said before, I don't think Joker would be the kind of guy to sit in his jail cell twiddling his thumbs whilst the guy who "completes him" is running around getting hunted down by cops and other villains. Just doesn't make sense to leave him out IMO.

I wouldn't have him as the main villain though, but you don't need to have Joker as the main villain. He could be a literal jack-in-the-box, popping up randomly to cause chaos for both the good guys and the bad guys.

 

[evilskillz]

I see what you are saying, but I disagree.

This is Joker we are talking about, his story is never done as long as Batman's story isn't done.

I look at TDK as an introduction to the Joker, it just wouldn't make any sense to leave out Batmans ultimate nemesis in the finale to a epic Batman trilogy. There needs to be some closure, some absolution on their relationship.

And as I've said before, I don't think Joker would be the kind of guy to sit in his jail cell twiddling his thumbs whilst the guy who "completes him" is running around getting hunted down by cops and other villains. Just doesn't make sense to leave him out IMO.

I wouldn't have him as the main villain though, but you don't need to have Joker as the main villain. He could be a literal jack-in-the-box, popping up randomly to cause chaos for both the good guys and the bad guys.

Your point is valid too. It could have really worked either way in my mind. The interesting thing to me is what was nolan thinking. Did he really want the possibility of bringing back heath as joker in the third movie? Or did he just want to create that epic balance between the joker and batman. He claims he only makes one movie at a time with the mindset that he will never make a sequel.

And I take him on his word on that, to an extent. I think that last scene with the Joker talking about how they could do this forever makes two points. It makes your point that the Joker story isn't done until Batman's is done. That's one side, the other side for me is, It just makes their relationship so epic in that one film and so perfect, that it doesn't need to brought to the surface again in the next film. It's like they already established their great connection, their great ying and yang qualities, I don't know what else there is to tell.

That's why I just like TDK so much. I feel like it sums up the characters of the joker and two-face so perfectly. The only thing that I feel really needs to be addressed is Batman coming to terms with who he is and who he really wants to be. I think that's more important than having the joker cause mayhem. I still wonder if Nolan really wanted to have heath put on the makeup and be the joker in the next film, I'm not sure it would have worked.

It's hard to say though. I see your points as well.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Sweet.

But I have no doubt that if Heath was still alive, he would of been in the next film in some capacity.

 

[CJ]

I see what you are saying, but I disagree.

This is Joker we are talking about, his story is never done as long as Batman's story isn't done.

I look at TDK as an introduction to the Joker, it just wouldn't make any sense to leave out Batmans ultimate nemesis in the finale to a epic Batman trilogy. There needs to be some closure, some absolution on their relationship.

And as I've said before, I don't think Joker would be the kind of guy to sit in his jail cell twiddling his thumbs whilst the guy who "completes him" is running around getting hunted down by cops and other villains. Just doesn't make sense to leave him out IMO.

I wouldn't have him as the main villain though, but you don't need to have Joker as the main villain. He could be a literal jack-in-the-box, popping up randomly to cause chaos for both the good guys and the bad guys.

I agree with this 100%

People are also overlooking the fact that Heath Ledger had a contract with Warner Bros to appear in one more Batman film before his death. (This was mentioned several times on CNN back in January 08) There's no doubt in my mind that Nolan had plans for the Joker in the next Batman before Heath's death.

Ledger gave a great preformance that cannot be matched, but I really think it would be a disappointment to not have someone else play the Joker in the next Batman. Sure, nobody will be able to top Ledger, but i'm sure there's many other talented actors out there who can give a darn good preformance. I have a feeling Nolan had a big finale with the Joker being a key element planned for the next Batman, and I want to see it, Heath or no Heath.

 

[evilskillz]

^ But you won't and I think that's a good thing. You probably are right, he had a good chance to be in the third film. But I don't think Joker should appear in the third film now, and I bet Nolan agrees. It would feel more awkward than anything to see another joker in the third film. I still think the third film should focus more on Batman, the villains aren't as important.

We already got the perfect villain movie last time. The joker's presence can be felt but he doesn't have to be seen.

 

[JuntMonkey]

I agree with this 100%

People are also overlooking the fact that Heath Ledger had a contract with Warner Bros to appear in one more Batman film before his death. (This was mentioned several times on CNN back in January 08) There's no doubt in my mind that Nolan had plans for the Joker in the next Batman before Heath's death.

Ledger gave a great preformance that cannot be matched, but I really think it would be a disappointment to not have someone else play the Joker in the next Batman. Sure, nobody will be able to top Ledger, but i'm sure there's many other talented actors out there who can give a darn good preformance. I have a feeling Nolan had a big finale with the Joker being a key element planned for the next Batman, and I want to see it, Heath or no Heath.

I don't think it's necessarily true that Nolan had anything in mind for part 3 with Joker. Even if it is true that Ledger was under contract for a part 3, that's kinda standard practice for franchise movies. It is also possible that those reports stem from Nolan's supposed original idea where the Dent/Two-Face/Joker arc was to span two movies - obviously that changed.

Nolan claims he does not think ahead to the next movie (although the above sort of contradicts that). While I'd love to believe that he had/has in mind a tour de force for the Joker in part 3 and he can't change it, I'm not sure that it's true. Would Joker be in Batman 3 in some capacity if Ledger were still alive? Absolutely no question about it* (just imagine those trailers). Will Joker be in it now? I don't know - I hope so, but those of us who want a recast are definitely underdogs right now.

*Note that this obvious fact does sort of break down the argument people make about the Joker's story being "finished" (which is obviously ludicrous for a comic book movie anyway and specifically contradictory to Joker/Batman's explicitly spelled-out relationship in TDK, but I digress).

 

[StorminNorman]

IDK, I can almost see Leo as being "too big" for BB3. If anyone, I can kind of see Marion as joining the cast of BB3. TDK saw the loss of the only female character in his bat franchise, so that has got to be fixed, and I think Marion is a great candidate to fill that void..

I disagree.

No one was bigger than Heath Ledger after his Death. They couldn't cast anyone with a larger shadow than Heath did.

Neither Depp nor Leo nor anyone along those lines would be larger than the movie. Especially after The Dark Knight and it's Billion Dollar Box Office.

Now will The Dark Knight overshadow Batman 3? Possibly?

 

[CJ]

I thought Nolan denied all the reports that Two-Face story was supposed to span two movies. Hm.

Anyway, Joker is vital for Batman 3. Like Ace said, Batman completes Joker. as long as Batman's story isn't done, neither is Joker's.

We also need a big confrontation between the two. TDK ended with Joker kicking Batman's ass and then Batman going off to try and calm down Two-Face. We need a movie where Batman and Joker are beating the crap out of each other, without Batman needing to run off and fight some other villain while the Joker just hangs from a wire.

TDK was all about Bruce and Dent, Batman 3 needs to be all about Batman and Joker.