The Dark Knight Rises Roven: Joker Could Return

[BestGirl]

A guy who could take on Batman toe to toe...

We need another villain like that. I love the cerebral villains but we need a villain who can hand Batman his ass physically. Some one who is a also highly skilled in martial arts.

I imagine Black Mask as being this big guy who could go toe-to-toe with Batman. He wouldn't know martial arts, but maybe Batman could wear himself out capturing the Riddler and evading his traps and then he'd immediately have to fight BM afterwards.

That or BM could lay a trap for him that leaves Batman weakened or somehow restrained so that he can't fight as well as he should.

 

[regwec]

Batman has been represented as having an almost supernatural fighting ability, though. I think that anyone able to best him in a fair fight would need to be a freak of nature, like Croc.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I imagine Black Mask as being this big guy who could go toe-to-toe with Batman. He wouldn't know martial arts, but maybe Batman could wear himself out capturing the Riddler and evading his traps and then he'd immediately have to fight BM afterwards.

That or BM could lay a trap for him that leaves Batman weakened or somehow restrained so that he can't fight as well as he should.

I like the idea, but as much as Batman has trained, Black Mask would just be a mobster to him. For someone to really go toe-to-toe with Batman, they'd have to either be a real badass brawler (Bane, Killer Croc) or just as good of a martial artist as he is (David Cain, Deathstroke). To be honest, Black Mask would really just put up the same kind of fight that The Joker did throughout the movie. Jump in, hit him a bunch of times from behind, and then get his ass kicked.

He'd really need his mob's help to take down Batman, if he could at all.

 

[BestGirl]

I like the idea, but as much as Batman has trained, Black Mask would just be a mobster to him. For someone to really go toe-to-toe with Batman, they'd have to either be a real badass brawler (Bane, Killer Croc) or just as good of a martial artist as he is (David Cain, Deathstroke). To be honest, Black Mask would really just put up the same kind of fight that The Joker did throughout the movie. Jump in, hit him a bunch of times from behind, and then get his ass kicked.

He'd really need his mob's help to take down Batman, if he could at all.

Yes, perhaps he could sic 30 goons on Batman, but Nolan seems to like Batman's final fights to be one-on-one against the main villain.

That's why I like the idea of BM catching him in a trap or wounding him somehow that the fight becomes more fair. The other option is to get a brawler like Croc but he's not smart enough to be the main villain. Bane could work but I don't know a whole lot about the character and I'm not real taken with him. I want BM to be the major villain in BB3 and I'm trying to think of ways it could work.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I've been getting a stronger feeling Bane will pop up, honestly. He seems to me like the next logical step (being the villain both smart and good enough to defeat Batman), and there have been rumors spreading about the team wanting to bring a villain to the screen that hasn't been there yet.

As far as I'm concerned, Bane hasn't, because that abomination in Batman & Robin was just that. An abomination. Not Bane.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Really out there but would he make a good joker?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHd9c31e32o

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

really out there but would he make a good joker?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhd9c31e32o

hell no!!

 

[Retroman]

Some recent shots of Levitt...

LAS VEGAS - JUNE 12: Actor Joseph Gordon-Levitt of the film '500 Days of Summer' poses for a portrait during the 11th annual CineVegas film festival held at the Palms Casino Resort on June 12, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Photo by Charley Gallay/Getty Images for CineVegas)

Source: GettyImages.com

 

[BatFan88]

The joker will not return because he is been put in jail in the end of the movie,
And it would be stupid if he escapes again,then you will see a copy of the movie 'The Dark Knight'
but then with other villians that's just stupid i think.

 

[Kane]

Re-casting the Joker so soon would be a big mistake. I say give it 10 years before even considering bringing the character back. I don't think Joker should be excised from any further films, though. I just think that they need to let the idea simmer for a while. It's going to be hard to shake Ledger's portrayal from the minds of people, especially if they choose this option for the next film. The Joker and Batman balance each other out, so unless they opt for another reboot down the line, they are going to have to bring the character back eventually.

As The Joker said himself "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."

 

[Kane]

I wouldn't mind a recast, just as long as whoever they choose makes it their own. No mimic of Ledger's Joker. That would be setting yourself up for failure. I think something along the lines of a live-action version of the Joker from B:TAS would be cool. Play it a little darker to fit the tone of the film, but the voice and look are great.

 

[Kane]

Haha, we finally agree on something. Shocking .

I guess it wouldn't be so bad to retain the same look as Ledger, but I think there needs to be enough of a difference to show that this isn't just some imitation of Ledger.

Oh, and I actually like the idea of Joseph Gordon-Levitt as a candidate for a recast. He's a fantastic actor (go watch Brick or Mysterious Skin), and he resembles Ledger quite a bit. I remember someone mentioned him as a possible Riddler, but I think he's much more suited for a Joker replacement, if the story calls for it.

 

[Kane]

Well, I mean some subtle differences. Whether it's the scarring, or just the overall make-up appliance. Something to show that it's a continuation of Ledger's Joker, but won't be an imitation. Obviously the actor isn't going to look exactly like Ledger, but it's the subtle differences that can tell them apart. I mean, it would be like the different James Bonds. They are the same character, but each actor plays him differently.

 

[Bathead]

Maybe tidy up the makeup and hairdo a little, Heath's Joker was a bit "unkempt" for my taste, I always imagine Joker (whether with "Permawhite" or makeup) as having somewhat of a narcissitic attitude becasue of his "disfigurement".
A minor nit-pick I know, just something to consider should they recast.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Ok I was not a huge fan of JGL but the face manerisms on those pics are real good I admit.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Maybe tidy up the makeup and hairdo a little, Heath's Joker was a bit "unkempt" for my taste, I always imagine Joker (whether with "Permawhite" or makeup) as having somewhat of a narcissitic attitude becasue of his "disfigurement".
A minor nit-pick I know, just something to consider should they recast.

I think that's the way to go. To set up the change in his looks, the script could incorporate some Grant Morrison's Joker thoughts, in the sense that he reinvents himself almost constantly.

Then, when the Joker appears in the movie he could conceivably dress differently, style his hair differently and apply his makeup differently. I would keep the scarring, though. I think a more 'clean' Joker--with those scars--could be a pretty jarring visual.

 

[DarkJester]

Joker's in jail, but who said he'd want to escape? Right now Batman is right there with him as one of Gotham's most hated. The Joker thinks of Batman as fun, and if the cops wanted to come in and stop Batman at any given time, that doesn't seem like it'd be "fun" in his mind.

The Joker would want the best Batman Gotham has to offer, one who has the full support and trust of both citizens and police. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that he'd wait in jail or Arkham until this Batman returned.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Joker's in jail, but who said he'd want to escape? Right now Batman is right there with him as one of Gotham's most hated. The Joker thinks of Batman as fun, and if the cops wanted to come in and stop Batman at any given time, that doesn't seem like it'd be "fun" in his mind.

The Joker would want the best Batman Gotham has to offer, one who has the full support and trust of both citizens and police. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that he'd wait in jail or Arkham until this Batman returned.

Maybe so, but I also still think that if Batman was ever really threatened by the cops or another villain, this Joker would intervene in order to make sure that Batman would live to fight him another day. He doesn't want a boring world, after all.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Their is really no need for Joker in Batman 3 his story done. Its time to move on the damage was done so he did his part and had an effect on Gotham City.

 

[regwec]

Of course his story wasn't done. That was made clear by the monologue he delivered as he was suspended off the roof at the end of the film.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Well his sotry is done now.

 

[Mister H.]

Well his sotry is done now.

It doesn't have to be. Call me cruel, but Heath Ledger's death shouldn't be the reason Joker isn't in part three. If the Joker was meant to be a vital character, then the show must go on.

 

[Fresh Prince]

It doesn't have to be. Call me cruel, but Heath Ledger's death shouldn't be the reason Joker isn't in part three. If the Joker was meant to be a vital character, then the show must go on.

He did all he was gonna do what esle can he do?

 

[Darlton]

Heath Ledger's death will not be the reason if the Joker isn't in part three. If the filmmakers are to be believed, the Joker was not meant to be a vital character for part three because there was no story. And I believe that, if Nolan starts thinking about that story after he's done with Inception, he shouldn't include the Joker. I think that if these 43 pages (and many ore posts in other threads) have taught us something is that there are many more open roads and possibilities with other characters than with a Joker comeback, no matter how well ingrained into the story he is. A Joker that returns to be a plot device with a relatively minor part is not "a vital character". And let's be truthful, the main drive would be fanboy-pleasing. When the main argument for a recast is that "The Joker is the best Batman villain ever and no other villains will do, and there cannot be a satisfactory final installment without the Joker." ... one starts to wonder where the logic ends and the blind fan love begins.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Heath Ledger's death will not be the reason if the Joker isn't in part three. If the filmmakers are to be believed, the Joker was not meant to be a vital character for part three because there was no story. And I believe that, if Nolan starts thinking about that story after he's done with Inception, he shouldn't include the Joker. I think that if these 43 pages (and many ore posts in other threads) have taught us something is that there are many more open roads and possibilities with other characters than with a Joker comeback, no matter how well ingrained into the story he is. A Joker that returns to be a plot device with a relatively minor part is not "a vital character". And let's be truthful, the main drive would be fanboy-pleasing. When the main argument for a recast is that "The Joker is the best Batman villain ever and no other villains will do, and there cannot be a satisfactory final installment without the Joker." ... one starts to wonder where the logic ends and the blind fan love begins.

Agreed. His story is done nothing esle for him to do the damage has already been done.