San Francisco to ban e-cigs

[terry78]

San Francisco has moved to ban e-cigarettes. Juul has a backup plan


Not a fan of smoking in general, but e-cigs and vaping have always come off as more *****ey to me than the actual original ones.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

San Francisco has moved to ban e-cigarettes. Juul has a backup plan


Not a fan of smoking in general, but e-cigs and vaping have always come off as more *****ey to me than the actual original ones.

I smoked for 20 years. I started vaping a few years ago as an alternative so I could save money. When I was smoking cigarettes, I began to notice my chest hurt on a daily basis and I always had a wheezing noise when I breathed. In less than a weeks time after switching from cigarettes to vaping, my chest stopped hurting and the wheezing sound was gone. Is vaping a healthy alternative to smoking? I certainly wouldn't use the word healthy, but my health in general has improved since making the switch. So I suppose I'll have to disagree with your opinion that vaping is more(I don't know what word you were trying to use that was edited) than cigarettes

 

[Teelie]

Vaping is still terrible for your health.

 

[Marvolo]

So much of the best things in life are dangerous to a person's health.

I smoked for 5 years and had sinus infections and URIs all the time. Been vaping for 6 years and my asthma doesnt bother me anymore and I dont get sick like I used to. I like nicotine. Just like I like caffeine. Vaping is the safer way to consume nicotine. Rather than banning it and forcing people to go back to more dangerous ways of consuming nicotine they should be researching safer and affordable ways to consume nicotine which is itself no more dangerous than caffeine.

I need to start storing up e juice and mod parts in case my state cracks down on vaping.

 

[Immortalfire]

But you can take a crap on the streets.

 

[The Endless]

Why though?

 

[Lily Adler]

But you can take a crap on the streets.

Taking away our freedom to defacate where we please isn't going to help.

 

[Boom]

I smoked for 20 years. I started vaping a few years ago as an alternative so I could save money. When I was smoking cigarettes, I began to notice my chest hurt on a daily basis and I always had a wheezing noise when I breathed. In less than a weeks time after switching from cigarettes to vaping, my chest stopped hurting and the wheezing sound was gone. Is vaping a healthy alternative to smoking? I certainly wouldn't use the word healthy, but my health in general has improved since making the switch. So I suppose I'll have to disagree with your opinion that vaping is more(I don't know what word you were trying to use that was edited) than cigarettes

I think the worry is that we have decades worth of studies done on traditional cigarettes, whereas vape cigarettes are still fairly new. The simple truth is we don't know what the long-term effects are since the sample size is so small. Nobody's been using a vape cigarette for 20+ years.

I used the Blu Cigarettes to ween off of the real stuff earlier this year, but now I'm hooked on those instead. I've read up on things like "popcorn lung" and I admit it does have me worried. Also, with a regular cigarette you quite literally know when you're done with it, whereas with a vape cigarette you can just keep puffing and puffing on it to your heart's content. I once caught myself casually puffing on one for an hour straight. So I suppose there is a higher risk of nicotine poisoning here.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

I think the worry is that we have decades worth of studies done on traditional cigarettes, whereas vape cigarettes are still fairly new. The simple truth is we don't know what the long-term effects are since the sample size is so small. Nobody's been using a vape cigarette for 20+ years.

I used the Blu Cigarettes to ween off of the real stuff earlier this year, but now I'm hooked on those instead. I've read up on things like "popcorn lung" and I admit it does have me worried. Also, with a regular cigarette you quite literally know when you're done with it, whereas with a vape cigarette you can just keep puffing and puffing on it to your heart's content. I once caught myself casually puffing on one for an hour straight. So I suppose there is a higher risk of nicotine poisoning here.

Yes, the long term effects definitely need more study. I can only speak to my own experience that I feel so much better since I started vaping. No breathing problems or chest pain, more energy, food tastes better. Not to mention I save a ton of money. It's hard for me to support these bans knowing that big tobacco gives so much money to both political parties. They have a huge interest in getting e-cigs banned

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

Vaping is still terrible for your health.

Getting in a car is terrible for your health. Eating red meat is terrible for your health. Those aren't banned. I can understand banning cigarettes as second hand smoke not only effects you, but those around you. Vaping only effects those who use it. So we are going to ban e-cigs but smoking cigarettes is still accepted? That's nonsense

 

[Teelie]

Cigarettes should be banned too. Just because they aren't doesn't mean they should just give up and not bother trying to stop another public health issue from arising. It is also mainly because vaping is being directly targeted to teenagers who are the most likely to take it up, just like cigarettes were in the past.

All or nothing is not the way to go.

 

[moviedoors]

Vaping is still terrible for your health.

That actually wasn't all that compelling. You can't on one hand say "we still don't know the effects" and on the other "it's terrible for your health." Pick one.

 

[Teelie]

Let's start with the immediate threat. They can explode and kill you.

Deadly vape explosion highlights safety gaps
See What Happened When A Vape Pen Exploded in a Teen's Face

That being said, they also damage your heart and lungs.

Vaping Tied to Rise in Stroke, Heart Attack Risk
Vaping May Shut Off Lungs' Protective Cells

I could go on.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

Then go after the companies that target youth. Or, maybe some parents should take responsibility for what their kids do? Those of us who use it in order to quit smoking shouldn't be punished. And why should it matter if it is bad for the user? Unlike cigarettes, it doesn't hurt other people. So what's the real issue here?

 

[Teelie]

Mainly the claim it helps you quit smoking is a lie. You're still smoking, probably more than you were before but shaking that belief is hard. Vaping is as bad or worse than smoking but it is cleverly marketed and sold as healthier. Clearly though several of you will only accept it is better and are going to fight every inch against it. This isn't the first thread to talk about the dangers of vaping here and every time it is defended as if it were not actually a health crisis hiding in plain sight.

 

[nachtschicht]

I used it to quit smoking. Then I quit vaping. It's all about breaking habits, much easier to do when it has a button. shrug

Honestly, the giant, smelly, 100% optional clouds are really obnoxious, just ban those. And keep it away from kids/teens.

 

[Lily Adler]

This thread needs some DarkSentinel.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

Mainly the claim it helps you quit smoking is a lie. You're still smoking, probably more than you were before but shaking that belief is hard. Vaping is as bad or worse than smoking but it is cleverly marketed and sold as healthier. Clearly though several of you will only accept it is better and are going to fight every inch against it. This isn't the first thread to talk about the dangers of vaping here and every time it is defended as if it were not actually a health crisis hiding in plain sight.

So why is it any concern of yours what people do? As long as it isn't hurting other people, I don't see what the issue is. And I can speak only from personal experience that I do indeed feel better since switching from cigarettes to vaping. I do not claim to know the long term effects, but I feel better now. I love how some people choose to judge other's and what they choose to do. Vaping is not heroine. It's not crack. Hell it's not even Marijuana. Let's not pretend that vaping is some huge health crisis that needs the government to step in and decide what folks can and cannot do

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

My feeling is that vaping is the lesser of two evils. Yes, it is potentially bad for your health. But there are hundreds of things that are bad for a person's health that are not banned. McDonald's will kill many more people than vaping ever could. Do we ban McDonald's?

There does need to be restrictions like on other products. It should never be sold to a minor. Just like cigarettes and beer.(two other products that are not banned). Obviously any establishment can determine whether vaping can be done on their property. If they don't allow it, simply go outside.

I really don't like being judged for something that does no harm to anyone other than possibly myself. People can post studies that show vaping to be as bad as cigarettes but you can find just as many studies stating it's not. So where is the harm? Some say it is marketed at kids. While I don't necessarily doubt that, I have literally seen one ecig commercial in my life. The Blu one with Stephen Dorff. I didn't see anything in that particular commercial aimed at children. Certainly no Joe Camel mascot. But I admit I could be wrong and certainly wouldn't condone vape companies marketing to children. This is all just my 2 cents and people are certainly entitled to disagree.

 

[The Endless]

What I dont understand is the people who have never ever smoked... yet started vaping. I mean... what? Why? The whole point of vaping, the reason it was ****ing invented, was to aid in quitting cigarettes.

 

[MovieSlave]

What I dont understand is the people who have never ever smoked... yet started vaping. I mean... what? Why? The whole point of vaping, the reason it was ****ing invented, was to aid in quitting cigarettes.

Hipsters maybe?

 

[Black Narcissus]

Hipsters maybe?

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

What I dont understand is the people who have never ever smoked... yet started vaping. I mean... what? Why? The whole point of vaping, the reason it was ****ing invented, was to aid in quitting cigarettes.

That part I don't understand either. I've never looked at it as something that was "cool". Of course I started using it before it became hip. Back when it was all pen style. Before box mods and HUGE CLOUDS BRO!

 

[MiddleK]

I also started to vape to quit smoking cigarettes, not mainstream influence. I did quit cigarettes, but not vape. But my purposes changed a little. I don't really want to stop vaping. I like it. I usually vape CBD or sometimes THC. My recent treat was GoldBee CBD oil, full-spectrum. I had to admit, excellent affect.

 

[souvlaki]

Mainly the claim it helps you quit smoking is a lie. You're still smoking, probably more than you were before but shaking that belief is hard. Vaping is as bad or worse than smoking but it is cleverly marketed and sold as healthier. Clearly though several of you will only accept it is better and are going to fight every inch against it. This isn't the first thread to talk about the dangers of vaping here and every time it is defended as if it were not actually a health crisis hiding in plain sight.

Can you explain exactly how vaping is worse than smoking regular cigarettes? Especially when, as has been said already in this thread, the long term effects of vaping are not yet known.

You mentioned previously it was linked with a rise in strokes, and heart attacks. Both of those are associated with cigarette smoking as well. I'd be curious to see the stats when compared to each other, and would bet cigarette smokers have a higher risk.

And granted, the jury is still out in regards to long term effects, but the main issue with cigarettes is not the nicotine itself, which when you ignore the obvious addictive properties of it, is actually about as dangerous as caffeine by itself. Research indicates that vaping does not directly cause lung cancer, which is obviously the largest risk of smoking cigarettes.

Also, as previously mentioned, vaping harms no one except the smoker.

There are obviously a lot of unknowns, but to try and make this kind of claim seems a little irresponsible.