Sandman is Peter's Fault?

[spideyman101]

Think about it for a second. In the first film, immediatly after Ben's death, Peter went after Uncle Ben's killer (or so he thought). But in 3 it turns out William Baker (aka Flint Marko) is the real killer. Could it be that because Peter didn't find the right guy, that he feels reasponsible in some way for the creation of Sandman? Because he didn't get rid of him earlier.

Just a different way of looking at it.

 

[justinisloco]

he didn't create sandman at all though... it happened after he escaped jail... when he walks into a testing site filled with sand... peter just feels respoinsible for his uncles death

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

But if you watch the trailer he's more angered that the police have done nothing to capture him. He blames the cops for their laziness and inability to do anything. That's why when he gets the black suit he's ready to punish or kill Flint instead of just talk to him. As we see when he's slamming Flint's head into an oncoming subway train and sand starts flying everywhere.

 

[November Rain]

so just like even though it wasn't his fault his uncle was killed peter rationalised that the death was directly in relation to him.

Unfortunately, there is nothing peter could have done in order to get sandy so he isn't directly responsible for flint being sandy...

I don't think that course of action is going to be used in this film, peter is purely going to be revenge motivated rather than having it slightly guilt based.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

while the polic were chasing marko, he ran into thi place for testing things (im talking about in the movie) and this machine starts turning and turns him into sandman, thats not peters fault at all.....thats sandmans fault, he tried to escape the cops.

 

[The Ones]

he didn't create sandman at all though... it happened after he escaped jail... when he walks into a testing site filled with sand... peter just feels respoinsible for his uncles death

Wrong. In set pics of Sandman's escape from jail, he is in an orange prison suit. When he walks into the testing site, he has his classic shirt on

 

[lordofthenerds]

Wrong. In set pics of Sandman's escape from jail, he is in an orange prison suit. When he walks into the testing site, he has his classic shirt on

Yep. He will probably will become Sandman after killing Ben, which explains the reason why he has the same classic shirt on during the murder.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yep. He will probably will become Sandman after killing Ben, which explains the reason why he has the same classic shirt on during the murder.

thats true, what i think is that marko escapes from prison in his orange prison cloths, then he grabs his old striped shirt and pants, then he starts running again, the only thing is....how will he find the time to change into his old cloths, the cops even had dogs running after marko.

 

[James Bond 007]

i HATE the idea of the sandman being ben's killer, that's NOT the way it is in the comics, what is this? tim burton's batman all of a sudden? in amazing fantasy 15 spidey caught ben's killer, in spidey the movie, spidey caught ben's killer, period, end of

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i HATE the idea of the sandman being ben's killer, that's NOT the way it is in the comics, what is this? tim burton's batman all of a sudden? in amazing fantasy 15 spidey caught ben's killer, in spidey the movie, spidey caught ben's killer, period, end of

this movie has alot of twist and turns.....there will be some shocking things in this movie along with some sad deaths, it is possible that it is just an hillucination, to be honest though, i dont think it is an hillucination, besides peter does not have the symbiote when captain stacy tells peter that marko really killed his uncle ben.

 

[James Bond 007]

i seriously hope it is just some kind of, not joke but you know what i mean, i just don't want sandman to be responsible

 

[spideyman101]

to tell you the truth, I beleive in capital punishment. The cops SHOULD kill Sandy. He killed Uncle Ben, so he should be punished... they send him to jail and he'll just be like (pfft, who cares? i'll be out in like 20 years, and i'll just kill another person.)

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oh, and by the way, i'm not a ******, i know he didn't make sandman. The point was, if Peter would have stopped Flint earlier, he wouldn't have gotten in that test lab and turned into Sandman...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

to tell you the truth, I beleive in capital punishment. The cops SHOULD kill Sandy. He killed Uncle Ben, so he should be punished... they send him to jail and he'll just be like (pfft, who cares? i'll be out in like 20 years, and i'll just kill another person.)

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oh, and by the way, i'm not a ******, i know he didn't make sandman. The point was, if Peter would have stopped Flint earlier, he wouldn't have gotten in that test lab and turned into Sandman...

maybe marko was sentenced to death, it takes more than 5 years until you get an exacution, they put you in prison for 10 years then exacute you.

 

[X Knight]

another question would be........if Sandman is really Uncle Ben's killer, will Peter feel guilty or remorseful over the death of the guy from the 1st movie, who he thought killed Uncle Ben.

After all, Peter was indirectly responsible for that guy's death. He cornered the guy in the warehouse, and didn't try to save him from falling to his death.

Now, in the 1st movie, that guy's "death" could be justified as karma for killing Uncle Ben. However, if it turns out he is innocent, then Peter would have been responsible for an innocent man's death.

Do you think they would show Peter feeling guilty about that? Perhaps that, plus the symbiote's influence, would further fuel Peter's anger towards Sandman.

Unless, Sandman is actually innocent, and the 1st guy remains Uncle Ben's killer.....

 

[spideyman101]

maybe perhapes they'll have Flint stop doing crime (like later in the comics), and the only thing he does wrong is run away from cops by escaping from jail. and he's decided to turn over a new leaf... then perhapes Peter could hear the info that he did (in the way past) kill Uncle Ben, and then Peter would go after him and the symbiote will fuel his rage, and he'll beat up Sandy very badly, and then come to find out he is no longer a criminal and is actually sorry for the killing of Uncle Ben, and the others he may have killed in the past. And that would REALLY make Symbiote Spidey a bad guy. It would also give us a chance to see side flip. Spidey be the bady, and Sandy be the goody...

i mean, that right there would go along VERY well to what Toby said "there's SO many twists and turns."

I mean come on, it's a cool idea.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

maybe perhapes they'll have Flint stop doing crime (like later in the comics), and the only thing he does wrong is run away from cops by escaping from jail. and he's decided to turn over a new leaf... then perhapes Peter could hear the info that he did (in the way past) kill Uncle Ben, and then Peter would go after him and the symbiote will fuel his rage, and he'll beat up Sandy very badly, and then come to find out he is no longer a criminal and is actually sorry for the killing of Uncle Ben, and the others he may have killed in the past. And that would REALLY make Symbiote Spidey a bad guy. It would also give us a chance to see side flip. Spidey be the bady, and Sandy be the goody...

i mean, that right there would go along VERY well to what Toby said "there's SO many twists and turns."

I mean come on, it's a cool idea.

sandman is a villian but not a monster villian, not a threat to the entire world, he is poor and needs money. marko is a criminal, when he killed uncle ben he did not choose to kill him. he must have had no choice but to shoot him and take the car to get away.

 

[chaseter]

Venom is Spider-Man's fault...not Sandman.

 

[Venomfan]

But in 3 it turns out William Baker (aka Flint Marko)

where does William Baker come from? why is that Sandmans name all of a sudden?

 

[NewYorkSpider]

But in 3 it turns out William Baker (aka Flint Marko) quote]
where does William Baker come from? why is that Sandmans name all of a sudden?

He used different names so people didn't know who he was. He did this in the comics.

 

[TheFuture]

to tell you the truth, I beleive in capital punishment. The cops SHOULD kill Sandy. He killed Uncle Ben, so he should be punished... they send him to jail and he'll just be like (pfft, who cares? i'll be out in like 20 years, and i'll just kill another person.)

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oh, and by the way, i'm not a ******, i know he didn't make sandman. The point was, if Peter would have stopped Flint earlier, he wouldn't have gotten in that test lab and turned into Sandman...

Don't want to turn this into a Capital Punishment Thread, but 20 years in prison; when you are told what to do, what to wear and what to think for 20 years. You are confined to a ****ty little cell for the majority of the day and you probably get the **** kicked out of you by wardens and your own cell mates. That would drive me absolutely insane and I'd make sure if I ever got out, I wouldn't put myself in that position again. People who committ gruesome crimes deserve to rot in prison, it's much better than being giving the 'easy way' out through execution.

On Parker and Sandman, I think just maybe it's a hallucination. No way can everything be tied so neatly together with Gwen and Brock being exe's, and now Sandman being unveiled as Ben's true killer. It's all too easy and Raimi must know he can't get away with it!

 

[Katsuro]

Don't want to turn this into a Capital Punishment Thread, but 20 years in prison; when you are told what to do, what to wear and what to think for 20 years. You are confined to a ****ty little cell for the majority of the day and you probably get the **** kicked out of you by wardens and your own cell mates. That would drive me absolutely insane and I'd make sure if I ever got out, I wouldn't put myself in that position again. People who committ gruesome crimes deserve to rot in prison, it's much better than being giving the 'easy way' out through execution.

Dont forget prison rape. In fact, that's pretty much all you need to say, as that's reason enough not to do anything bad. I'd much rather go to the chair then spend 20 years getting done in the pooper.

 

[V3n()M]

Here's what i think the twist will be I think Flint Marko was there when uncle Ben Died but i don't think he was apart of it. I think witnesses will place him at the scene after Ben is shot and he is trying to help him. He will probably be jailed in connection to Bens murder but not actually have anything to do with it. Also i think Sandman escapes from jail on the run grabs his classic attire and ends up stumbling across what he thinks will be the perfect hide out but turns out to be a testing site. As for his modivation for escaping jail I think it has something to do with his wife and daughter perhaps his daughter needs some kind of opperation and has been denied coverage and with no other way of paying for it he decides to pursue the avenue of crime which makes him a villian but at the same time a victim of circuimstance. Kind of like in the movie John Q with Denzel.

 

[gdw]

Wait, William Baker????

 

[gdw]

Wait, William Baker????

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wait, William Baker????

william baker is sandmans name befor he became a criminal, he changed his name to flint marko.