Sandman

[Blader5489]

I'm confused, you guys are right Sandman was so not needed, Venom himself should have been the villain by himself, what were the writers thinking.

Are you posting with your eyes closed? Most of people here have said that Sandman was needed, more so than Venom.

 

[tyler-durden]

Oh so I should blame sam raimi for the clusterf**k that was Spiderman 3.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

Ohhh boyy....

 

[tyler-durden]

Are you posting with your eyes closed? Most of people here have said that Sandman was needed, more so than Venom.

No I was trying to be funny, something I'm not very good at.

 

[tyler-durden]

Oh so I should blame sam raimi for the clusterf**k that was Spiderman 3.

Even I said it was a clusterf**k, I still liked it.

 

[kward711]

Oh so I should blame sam raimi for the clusterf**k that was Spiderman 3.

Sam Raimi was just one of many who contributed.

 

[tyler-durden]

It could have been so much better, I'm still getting the DVD though.

 

[The Joker]

They already told Lizard's story in SM-2 with Ock.

Ock was a good scientist who became a murderous madman hell bent on completing his life's work at any cost, and who redempted his evil at the end. His theme fitted in with Peter's of giving up what you want the most to do the right thing.

The Lizard is a good scientist with a family, who tries to regrow his missing arm, and becomes a beast who kills people, who gets cured eventually. Plus, he's a friend of Peter's.

There's a difference. Ock was a scientific idol to Peter, like in the 90's cartoon show. Connors is a friend. Two different stories. The only similarities is that both were good scientists . But then so was Norman Osborn until the performance enhancers screwed up his mind.

A completely different story and theme can be done with The Lizard

 

[Karea07]

Sandman was useless in this movie, pretty much Venom too.

 

[Abaddon]

Ock was a good scientist who became a murderous madman hell bent on completing his life's work at any cost, and who redempted his evil at the end. His theme fitted in with Peter's of giving up what you want the most to do the right thing.

The Lizard is a good scientist with a family, who tries to regrow his missing arm, and becomes a beast who kills people, who gets cured eventually. Plus, he's a friend of Peter's.

There's a difference. Ock was a scientific idol to Peter, like in the 90's cartoon show. Connors is a friend. Two different stories. The only similarities is that both were good scientists . But then so was Norman Osborn until the performance enhancers screwed up his mind.

A completely different story and theme can be done with The Lizard

Ock had a wife, Connors is Peter's physics teacher they aren't friends, both are scientist who become victims of their own projects, and both redeem themselves. They could've easily changed a few things around and used Lizard in SM2, but instead they opted to give Ock a backstory he never had in the comics.

 

[The Joker]

Sandman was useless in this movie, pretty much Venom too.

Sandman wasn't useless. Just underused.

Venom was the pointless one. He becomes Venom, and then goes straight to Sandman for help in killing Spider-Man. Pretty useless. He was just eye candy for the big final fight scene.

Saying that, Raimi did pretty much cover all that Venom does in the comic books. Brock hates Spider-Man and blames him for his misfortunes, becomes Venom, and tries to kill Spidey for it.

Ock had a wife

Who died. And didn't go thru the torment and fear of her husband becoming a villain like Conners' wife does.

Connors is Peter's physics teacher they aren't friends

Peter went to Connors for help with the alien symbiote. Clearly goes beyond student/teacher relationship. Beginning of the friendship right there.

both are scientist who become victims of their own projects

So did Norman Osborn.

and both redeem themselves.

Thru different circumstances and different reasons and a different theme.

They could've easily changed a few things around and used Lizard in SM2

Not really. The Lizard is a primal beast. He'd have no reason to go to Harry for anything, pursue Spider-Man, or kidnap MJ.

 

[Karea07]

Sandman wasn't useless. Just underused.

Maybe not useless, but he was really weak and just... lame. I hated his whole story in the movie. His ending when he just drifted away in the sand was so stupid.

 

[kward711]

Maybe not useless, but he was really weak and just... lame. I hated his whole story in the movie. His ending when he just drifted away in the sand was so stupid.

weak? he's undefeatable!

 

[IamProdigy]

They already told Lizard's story in SM-2 with Ock.

Huh?

I got so confused with that statement.

 

[IamProdigy]

weak? he's undefeatable!

He can easily be defeated...it's been done before in the comics. And the way his ending was in Spider-Man 3 was just another point why I didn't enjoy the movie.

 

[Blader5489]

Huh?

I got so confused with that statement.

Scientist, close to Peter, attempts to bring his dream science experiment to life. Something goes wrong, scientist becomes a monster, terrorizes city, redeems himself in the end.

 

[IamProdigy]

clusterf**k

Ahh, Dane Cook...what a funny sob.

 

[IamProdigy]

Scientist, close to Peter, attempts to bring his dream science experiment to life. Something goes wrong, scientist becomes a monster, terrorizes city, redeems himself in the end.

Oh, ok...see, if he said it that way, I would get his point.

But, then again, Doc Ock was like Green Goblin, scientist gone mad; Dr. Connors doing the same thing would've been fine...almost every villain is a scientist.

 

[Stevens25]

I feel that Sandman or Venom could've been left out. 1 too many villains. As many have suggested,it might have been better to save up Venom for part 4. However,for me Sandman was the least interesting of the villains. We all wanna see what happens between Harry and Peter.The build up from the previous films was there and I was anxious to see the ongoing story between Harry,Peter and MJ.
Venom and Eddie Brock has such a great and fascinating story behind them. I was ALOT more interested in seeing his story than Sandman's. The whole symbiote story alone is awesome. I loved seeing Peter with all his flaws. Seeing him give into his darkness,become full or himself and watching him shed that "gee whiz," attitude was so refreshing! Brock's story was great too,or I guess that I should say that it could've been great. I liked how he was like Peter's darker twin. His rise and fall happened so quickly that I was disappointed by that. I picture him losing him job,then his girl and followed by his apartment. The 90's cartoon did a great job at showing this. But for the film I wanted to see a moment with him thinking about suicide and I wanted to see the anger growing inside of him. Venom is a GREAT villain and such a monster and that's part of the reason why I'm such a fan,but just like Spidey,there's a man behind that "mask." Maybe I'm biased because I'm a Venom fan,but his story(and that of the symbiote and Peter's downfall) was FAR more interesting to me than anything else,including Sandman.
After watching the film again on dvd I can only mention what I've said before...Venom and Brock were so badass and awesome! Their story and Peter's turn to the darkside is what brought me to look forward so much to the film in the first place.

 

[tyler-durden]

Stevens25 , you must be my long lost identical twin, we were thinking the exact same thing, you just said it way better than me.

 

[Anti-Venom]

What does "needed" mean anyway?

COULD you cut Sandman out? Sure, of course you could. COULD you cut Venom out? Sure, of course you could.

 

[UltimateJustin]

I dont think Sandman was needed. The giant sandman monster was considered lem to many and his awkward sand-ghost form when flying around in addition to his invincible status (in the book he can take solid objects like money bags and dissolve them into sand so I guess he could take the entire earth and do the same) made his part of the story unfulfilling. He just flies off, who knows to do what. and lines like "my little girl is all that I have now" like anythings changed, that was the same in the first ten minutes of the movie as it is now. Marko completes no change in this film. Also, they wanted Peter to learn that he isnt above the people he brings end, they wanted to have him humbled and they could have done that with just his actions with the symbiote and how he treats Harry. A forgiveness story could have been crafted easier between just Harry and Pete admitting they were both being choads and teaming up against a much more powerful Venom. The music in that battle would be performed by Iced Earth and would feature a guitar solo in three parts.

 

[tyler-durden]

Not sure about the whole music thing, but I'm happy there are people out there who agree with me.

 

[LordSimen]

All three villian's stories fit within the theme of the movie, and that is of pride and forgiveness. However, if there was one villian who I think could have been cut out (and probably would have elliminated 90% of the problems most people had with Spider-man 3), is Venom. His story is simply too long and deserves it's own movie in order to pull off completely and the inclusion of it in the middle of what Raimi wanted to do with Peter caused the story to become hard to fulfill within the time allotted.

 

[tyler-durden]

I was thinking the writers shouldn't have put in sandman in it at all, and focused more on Venom.