Saw VI discussion thread

[Aniland]

While he does look a great deal like Elwes, I would never want to see anybody play Lawrence Gordon who isn't Cary Elwes. I can't bear to think of Gordon as another actor.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

While he does look a great deal like Elwes, I would never want to see anybody play Lawrence Gordon who isn't Cary Elwes. I can't bear to think of Gordon as another actor.

Exactly. If they're going to bring him back then it has to be Cary Elwes. Anyone else would just feel like a cheap rip off and it wouldn't be the same at all as it messes with continuity.

I think it would be amazing to have a tape recorder in the bathroom with Jill and Hoffman, the voice starts saying that he would bring them back to where it all began for him(meaning Gordon). I definitely feel that's how the sixth film should end.

 

[AlteredEgo]

it... was hypothetical.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

it... was hypothetical.

What was hypothetical? The whole Cary Elwes look alike? That's fine and dandy. But it's an hypothetical that shouldn't be discussed honestly because they went that route it'd mess with continuity and those who have followed these films would be pissed off.

After thinking about the ending of SAW V what would any of you do if the walls were closing in on you and you had no escape? I came to the conclusion that I'd kill myself so I wouldn't feel any pain.

 

[SatEL]

They really need to end this franchise, Saw 5 was ****ing horrible.

 

[Aniland]

One more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJcB0wMHT8

 

[The Dark Defender]

They really need to end this franchise, Saw 5 was ****ing horrible.

Horribly ****ing superior to almost every other movie this year, as well as most of the films in its franchise.

 

[Drizzle]

Horribly ****ing superior to almost every other movie this year, as well as most of the films in its franchise.

Yeah, superior to maybe "The Love Guru", "You Don't Mess With The Zohan" and "Disaster Movie", but that's about it.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Yeah, superior to maybe "The Love Guru", "You Don't Mess With The Zohan" and "Disaster Movie", but that's about it.

and just about every film this year sans RAMBO, The Dark Knight, and a few others.

Sarcastic reactions with no indication of why the movie was so bad is a compelling rebuttle though, the kind I've become accustomed to by those that criticize the series.

 

[Drizzle]

Oh, I never said the movie was bad. In fact, I like the "Saw" series. But you can't tell me that "Saw V" was better than "Iron Man" or "Wall-E". Or "Tropic Thunder". Or "The Incredible Hulk". Or "Quantum of Solace". The list goes on and on. I didn't think it was bad, I just think saying it was better than most of the other 2008 movies is an outlandish claim.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Of those films, it's pretty close with Iron Man and HULK, I really liked Wall-E and TT but yes SAW V is better imo, and it's definitely better than QOS.

Why is it outlandish, because you don't agree with it?

SAW V offers an interesting crime drama with a cop that grew tired of a "justice" system that releases criminals on technicalities so that they can repeat the same crimes trying to help another cop understand why Jigsaw does the things he does combined with great morality play in the trap house that conveys a great message about what a load of bs survival of the fittest is and why exploiting one another for personal gain is not only destructive, but self-destructive.

I find that to have more substance than any Bond film and certainly more than something TT.

The only films I'd definitely rank ahead of it were the two I previously mentioned, Iron Man, HULK, Hellboy II are pretty close with it, and it's quite a bit better than anything else.
The only other film this year I'd put near it is probably Narnia.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm talking all factors involved. A story alone doesn't make a movie better. Good acting has a lot to do with it too, and "Saw V" was lacking in that department.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm talking all factors involved. A story alone doesn't make a movie better. Good acting has a lot to do with it too, and "Saw V" was lacking in that department.

Um, did Costas Mandylor and Scott Patterson give bad performances? They were the highlights in the acting department. It's a shame that neither of them are more well known.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

They really need to end this franchise, Saw 5 was ****ing horrible.

I do agree that six needs to be the last one. In my opinion they've succeeded with five strong films and the sixth needs to offer closure to everything, tie up any loose ends, and end it to where there is no story to be told afterwards.

@Aniland- I watched your video and holy **** I didn't think about that at all.

It's possible that could be another cell in which maybe Gordon is being held in. I'll have to see it again in order to get a better visual quality look at it.

 

[Aniland]

Ah, the holy **** reaction is one that I endured too, my friend. They wouldn't stick in that little tidbit if it didn't mean something.

 

[SatEL]

Horribly ****ing superior to almost every other movie this year, as well as most of the films in its franchise.

I thought you was joking then read your posts below.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I'm talking all factors involved. A story alone doesn't make a movie better. Good acting has a lot to do with it too, and "Saw V" was lacking in that department.

No it isn't. Tobin is a terrific actor, Julie Benz is great, Costas Mandylor was very good...there isn't a weak performance from any major cast member in the film.

The scene between Jigsaw and Hoffman that leads up to Hoffman deciding to join him was as complex of an acting moment as anything in any of the films mentioned so far in this thread other than The Dark Knight; even Ashley (the first trap house victim) conveyed her fear very believably in her scene.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I thought you was joking then read your posts below.

Thanks for proving my point about how void of any actual thought the criticms are by the detractors of this series.

It's funny how everytime I get into a discussion with someone that doesn't care for these films, they're only response is "you must be joking" or the oh so intricate "these movies suck!"

Tough to argue with such riveting points...funny that you put the confused icon there after I've already clearly explain my opinion without offering anything to support, btw. Very nice touch.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

To be fair some of the SAW films do have bad acting in it. I always felt that the highlights as far as acting is concerned was Tobin Bell, Shawnee Smith, Donnie Wahlberg, Costas Mandylor, and Scott Patterson.

But for ANYONE to say SAW V had bad acting in it needs to watch the film again and stop being biased. Some of the finest acting came from the silent moments more so than the dramatic moments.

For example, the ending where the twist is revealed and Hoffman managed to trick Strahm into believing that the glass box is a trap. The glass box is slowly lowering into the ground and Hoffman gives this smirk and tilts his head as if he's saying "You're ****ed now buddy."

It was a great moment because Costas nailed THAT perfectly in my opinion.

@Dark Defender- Another thing that should be pointed out is how Scott Patterson acted during the climatic twist. When he yells at Hoffman "I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!! I KNOW!!!" You heard the fear and the stress in his voice as the walls were closing in on him. That was a great piece of acting as well.

 

[SatEL]

Thanks for proving my point about how void of any actual thought the criticms are by the detractors of this series.

It's funny how everytime I get into a discussion with someone that doesn't care for these films, they're only response is "you must be joking" or the oh so intricate "these movies suck!"

Tough to argue with such riveting points...funny that you put the confused icon there after I've already clearly explain my opinion without offering anything to support, btw. Very nice touch.

Fair enough if its criticism you seek then its criticism you shall have, Ok my gripe with this film and in particular this franchise is the fact that its become extremly predicitable and with this last installment was extremly dull. Even before seeing a Saw film I can predict excatly what is going to happen, its like dejavu five times. I am sat there thinking oppps havent I seen and heard this before. The films never ever have closure, one film is used as a bridge to create and end an on going character arc, you have character d introduced in Saw 6 and then in Saw 7 you end his arc and introduce character c then in Saw 8 you kill character c and introduce character b and so on. Dont tell me we might have flash backs of when Jigsaw was young or perhaps go back a few generation and introduce great granpa Jigsaw. Trully I found this film to be atrocious certainly the worst of the five, funny thing is that prior to this film I just always waited for the films to hit the dvd stand.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Fair enough if its criticism you seek then its criticism you shall have, Ok my gripe with this film and in particular this franchise is the fact that its become extremly predicitable and with this last installment was extremly dull. Even before seeing a Saw film I can predict excatly what is going to happen, its like dejavu five times. I am sat there thinking oppps havent I seen and heard this before. The films never ever have closure, one film is used as a bridge to create and end an on going character arc, you have character d introduced in Saw 6 and then in Saw 7 you end his arc and introduce character c then in Saw 8 you kill character c and introduce character b and so on. Dont tell me we might have flash backs of when Jigsaw was young or perhaps go back a few generation and introduce great granpa Jigsaw. Trully I found this film to be atrocious certainly the worst of the five, funny thing is that prior to this film I just always waited for the films to hit the dvd stand.

Hahaha, please you managed to predict every single one? I doubt that. The only times I felt that things were a tad bit obvious was SAW 4 and somewhat in 5. The only way I can see this franchise becoming predictable and dull is if they have Jill become Jigsaw and test Hoffman. Then, and only then will I say the franchise has become predictable.

So far every single twist in the SAW franchise has caught me off guard. I would've never guessed that SAW 3 and 4 were happening at the same time.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Fair enough if its criticism you seek then its criticism you shall have, Ok my gripe with this film and in particular this franchise is the fact that its become extremly predicitable and with this last installment was extremly dull. Even before seeing a Saw film I can predict excatly what is going to happen, its like dejavu five times. I am sat there thinking oppps havent I seen and heard this before. The films never ever have closure, one film is used as a bridge to create and end an on going character arc, you have character d introduced in Saw 6 and then in Saw 7 you end his arc and introduce character c then in Saw 8 you kill character c and introduce character b and so on. Dont tell me we might have flash backs of when Jigsaw was young or perhaps go back a few generation and introduce great granpa Jigsaw. Trully I found this film to be atrocious certainly the worst of the five, funny thing is that prior to this film I just always waited for the films to hit the dvd stand.

I don't care so much about unpredictability as I do about substance. Other than SAW IV, I find the first film to be the weakest of the series because it's all building up to a guy getting up off the floor...which although it may be a nice little twist and may not have been predictable, it also had no actual effect on the story whatsoever and conveyed no meaning to the audience whatsoever, it there for the sole purpose of saying to the audience, "haha! Gotcha!"

SAW II's ending was far more predictable...and it also had far more substance. Eric's storyline shows what happens to people that make a living out of ruining other peoples lives to advance your own, each of those people in the house, Amanda in particular, represents his sins coming back to haunt him.

SAW III, by far the deepest installment of the series has multiple themes including addiction, forgiveness, and most importantly how dangerous your weaknesses can be not only to yourself, but those closest to you when you lack self control. I don't care if I already could've figured out that Jeff and Lynn were husband and wife or not, that doesn't make it any less meaningful to see a man confront people that he's demonized in his mind for the past year of his life and wanted to murder deciding to forgive them after seeing the humanity in them.

Either of those, regardless of whether I saw some big shocker twist coming or not, is far more meaningful than "look, he was on the floor!"
As for their predictability, the whole point of the end twist in SAW V was that Hoffman wasn't only trying to frame Strahm, but had a plan to lure him into something that would destroy all evidence that he even existed, hence making it impossible for his body to be found and anyone to realize that he wasn't the Jigsaw killer stiller still on the loose. I highly you doubt you saw all of that coming...if you did, look into a line of work or psychic channelling or something, those all-seeing crystal balls of yours must be pretty amazing.

SAW IV's problem thematically is that it feels like John is preaching more to the cops than the actual audience, and then it culminates in a big finale revealing that it's happening at the same time as SAW III...who the hell cares?
Whether I saw that coming or not was relevant since it had no impact on anything and it was a twist for the sake of a twist; the sequel that applies to more than the first film.

SAW V is not predicated on any major twist, which is one of the reasons I love it so much, it's predicated on its theme in the trap house storyline, handled much better than a simialar idea was in SAW II, and on making me the new apprentice interesting, which they did a fine job since I didn't really care about him in SAW IV and in SAW V found him nearly as compelling as Amanda's arc to self destruction arc from the first three films.

Your complaint about character a and b and c and d and etc... is one of the things that makes the series so effective, it isn't centered solely on one character or one theme, each film has different themes that are conveyed through much different charactes with much different personalities and problems.

"To be fair some of the SAW films do have bad acting in it. I always felt that the highlights as far as acting is concerned was Tobin Bell, Shawnee Smith, Donnie Wahlberg, Costas Mandylor, and Scott Patterson."

He was good too, I find Brit's realization of what the meaning of the game was and eventual guilt over what she'd done and the way she'd lived her life, along with the Jigsaw/Hoffman scene to be the stand out acting moments from the film.

I really don't any of the performances by any of the major characters in the films to be bad, at absolute worst they're serviceable. I find it rather amusing that so many complain about Elwes being "over the top" when he was playing a guy that was loosing his mind and desperate to get back to his family, which is SUPPOSED to be over the top.

 

[Slushy]

For anybody that bothered watching, tonight was the finale of Scream Queens and the winner of the show will get a "breakout role" in SAW VI.

Spoiler

I wanted Lindsay Felton (from Caitlin's Way) to win, but I'm glad Tenedra did, she deserved it just as much!

Let the first official step of SAW VI commence!

 

[Aniland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgFDbFbqKpQ&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLVnL9fB24s&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJcB0wMHT8&feature=channel_page

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Great to see you again Aniland. I'm watching your new videos right now.