The Dark Knight Script Treatment Summary?

[Miranda Fox]

Here's what I forgot to add:

Alfred's expanded role involves overseeing the reconstruction of Wayne Manor. It's finished at the end of the film. I think there maybe a metaphor in there...

 

[Crooklyn]

So what does that mean? We get to see Alfred...looking at a building being rebuilt?

 

[Milkman95]

Really like the Joker's origin here and the way he takes it out on Falcone's people.

Don't know what to think of the Joker damaging the Tumbler with acid though.........

 

[Two-Face]

*nods* the guy who posted a similar one before had FAR more detail.

I'll give you what I remember from what he said:

The Joker's backstory is a little more complex than Troy describes: Apparently, the Joker is killed in a set-up by Falcone (he IS a gangster, supposedly although no name is given for him) and the hitmen sent to kill him dump his body in the chemicals to hide it. Of course, Mister J ain't dead and he's PISSED at Falcone and starts knocking off his men in more and more insane ways ala the Laughing Fish and Five Way Revenge.

There is no Salvatore Maroni nor Roman Sionis.

Now, here's where these two differ wildly - there IS a Penguin and he strikes a sort of deal with Joker (NOT a partnership, more like something akin to Ra's/Scarcrow. Mutually beneficial) to help eliminate the mobsters and get control of the city. I think Joker screws Penguin over big time but I might be thinking of something else.

Harvey Bullock is in it.

Remember the Bat-Cycle rumours from before? Well, this guy said Joker badly damages the Tumbler (and by that I mean, REALLY badly. He burns an enormous hole in it with acid) which may be why Bats needs alternative transport. Their second battle serves as the film's climax but no details given other than it involved the previous rumoured tennement (I THINK.)

I'm probably forgetting stuff - there's a lot more differences than I remember - but both mention details like the Scarecrow's cameo. Hmm.

A LOT of this does tally with things we've heard so...you never know. The real shame here is the original guy got the hell flamed out of him because no one believed him. Moriarty even banned him from AICN because he played hell when Harry didn't post the review of the scriptment he sent in.

This is great stuff, any Dent stuff?

 

[Miranda Fox]

So what does that mean? We get to see Alfred...looking at a building being rebuilt?

Lol, no, I think he meant he'd be giving the workmen instructions as Bruce likely will have other things to attend to.

Okay, I'm gonna clarify a couple of things because I'm reading over my posts and there is a lot of babbling and not much sense. Sorry, got carried away.

Okay - what we have are two apparently different people who posted information on the scriptment written by Goyer and Nolan. One claims to have read it (that would be Troy, the post I linked to), the other claimed a friend read it and gave him details (I'll call him Q.)

Timeline wise, Troy came first as I seem to recall Q posting his info (which was more detailed) in Aug/Sep time.

The reason I decided to share this was because they are not exactly the same. Which is why I'm even going to entertain the idea this might be true.

Some stuff I missed off and/or didn't catch before - the Scarecrow cameo mentioned by Troy (both of them quoted the scriptment as saying it was the 'house that Batman built. Hmm) was explained by Q as being a Silence of the Lambs-like sequence where Gordon and Bats visited him for some insight into the Joker.

Q never mentioned the replay of the end of BB but both mention the Some Time Later title card. Nor did he mention the 'house cleaning' described by Troy.

Most interesting. IF there is any truth here, I wonder if there was more than one version floating around. The Penguin discrepency is odd.

I could kick myself for never saving Q's post. But honest to god, I thought it was just typical IMDB crap. Still could be crap of course.

 

[Miranda Fox]

This is great stuff, any Dent stuff?

Yes:

*After a massive house-cleaning of Gotham City's bureaucracy after the disaster with Ra's Al Ghul, a new District Attorney has come into town, as described as an "Elliot Ness-esque" type, with the intention of filling in the city's bureaucratical seats with worthy, clean "go-getters". Of course, this is HARVEY DENT. (Guy Pearce dammit!)

 

[The Sage]

Part of me hopes this is real because it sounds good. Part of me is hoping that it isn't because it doesn't sound like Batman plays a role in Joker's origin.

 

[Two-Face]

Thank you Miranda.

 

[batman44]

Gosh, I hope all of this is true.

Thanks for posting M Fox.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Thank you Miranda.

Gosh, I hope all of this is true.

Thanks for posting M Fox.

No probs. t:

Part of me is hoping that it isn't because it doesn't sound like Batman plays a role in Joker's origin.

This is why I think Nolan and Goyer painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the end of BB. On the one hand, it was a great hook for TDK. On the other, they could either seemingly retcon the end and have the robbery take place after the Narrows incident but before Bats and Gordon met on the rooftop (we don't know what the timeline was there, so I suppose it wouldn't be a bad retcon at all but it still kinda seems a bit of a cop out, IMO) or just plain have Batman not involved.

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

Sounds like some interesting things going on in TDK, assuming its all true.

 

[Two-Face]

I'm glad that Batman doesn't get involved of creating Joker, I don't want another Batman 89 storyline "You created me first" stuff.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I'm glad that Batman doesn't get involved of creating Joker, I don't want another Batman 89 storyline "You created me first" stuff.

It could be why the Nolans would take a different route and in the original two Joker stories, Joker didn't really care that much about Batman until he stopped him, thus ruining his plans.

 

[Rynan]

It could be why the Nolans would take a different route and in the original two Joker stories, Joker didn't really care that much about Batman until he stopped him, thus ruining his plans.

Which I believe adds more to their conflict than the simple red hood origin. The Joker is continually trying to get back at Batman for his first defeat. Batman becomes a new brunt for his rage.

And I really, really hope they do this origin. It's creative and adds a shot of new blood in the Joker origin story. I love it.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Which I believe adds more to their conflict than the simple red hood origin. The Joker is continually trying to get back at Batman for his first defeat. Batman becomes a new brunt for his rage.

You know...I truly never thought of it that way. Good point.

 

[Stringer]

I liked what I read mostly, but naturally I have my doubts

 

[Silver Souper]

*nods* the guy who posted a similar one before had FAR more detail.

I'll give you what I remember from what he said:

The Joker's backstory is a little more complex than Troy describes: Apparently, the Joker is killed in a set-up by Falcone (he IS a gangster, supposedly although no name is given for him) and the hitmen sent to kill him dump his body in the chemicals to hide it. Of course, Mister J ain't dead and he's PISSED at Falcone and starts knocking off his men in more and more insane ways ala the Laughing Fish and Five Way Revenge.

There is no Salvatore Maroni nor Roman Sionis.

Now, here's where these two differ wildly - there IS a Penguin and he strikes a sort of deal with Joker (NOT a partnership, more like something akin to Ra's/Scarcrow. Mutually beneficial) to help eliminate the mobsters and get control of the city. I think Joker screws Penguin over big time but I might be thinking of something else.

Harvey Bullock is in it.

Remember the Bat-Cycle rumours from before? Well, this guy said Joker badly damages the Tumbler (and by that I mean, REALLY badly. He burns an enormous hole in it with acid) which may be why Bats needs alternative transport. Their second battle serves as the film's climax but no details given other than it involved the previous rumoured tennement (I THINK.)

I'm probably forgetting stuff - there's a lot more differences than I remember - but both mention details like the Scarecrow's cameo. Hmm.

A LOT of this does tally with things we've heard so...you never know. The real shame here is the original guy got the hell flamed out of him because no one believed him. Moriarty even banned him from AICN because he played hell when Harry didn't post the review of the scriptment he sent in.

if this and your other scoop are real, then i'm psyched. this sounds great- an awesome mix of fantastical comic stuff and nolan's realistic approach. cool thread, miranda- thanks for posting it.

 

[Silver Souper]

I must admit, that ain't a bad way of explaining Joker at all. As long as he's still relatively unidentifiable in his pre-Joker form, that'd be great. Adds a nice twist to the chemical origin and also pays homage to the classic Joker stories.

agreed. it covers the bases and is also fresh-feeling. diggin it...

 

[ultimatefan]

All sounds interesting, could be fabricated, could be not. Nice piece of scuttlebutt to wet the appetites, though.

 

[Silver Souper]

Really like the Joker's origin here and the way he takes it out on Falcone's people.

Don't know what to think of the Joker damaging the Tumbler with acid though.........

i like the tumbler/acid idea. hey why the hell does batman never get CAPTURED!?! I would love to see that with joker and scarecrow taunting and torturing him until he escapes.

 

[Rynan]

hey why the hell does batman never get CAPTURED!?! I would love to see that with joker and scarecrow taunting and torturing him until he escapes.

Because he spent time with the A-team.

 

[The Fallen]

Wow! Something worth posting on! I love The Joker 'origin'. Leaves it open to some Batman #1 and Man Who Laughs style revenge killing!

 

[Silver Souper]

Because he spent time with the A-team.

hahaha thanks. but seriously that would be such a different set piece than we've seen in live action, and with such an opportunity for "moments," doesn't anyone else think it'd rock?

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Someone should bump one of those twenty Official Penguin casting thread.

 

[Avernus]

I only have a problem with the Penguin deal because they have blatantly said they won't have him in the picture..

also...Pearce won't play Dent...not that he'd be a bad Dent...but he's been ruled out as well..