The Dark Knight Script Treatment Summary?

[Two-Face]

I just thought about something, if Falcone is nuts and MAY appear in a cameo at the most(in Arkham along with Crane) then WHO is going to be stepping in to take over and fill the power vacuum if it isn't Maroni? Remember this says the Penguin teams up with The Joker to help eliminate the mobsters in the city, so who are those mobsters? I noticed that in Carmine Falcone's character profile on the 2-disc special edition DVD of Begins, it mentioned him having kids(Mario and Sofia, no Alberto though). I wonder if Mario and Sofia will be trying to step in to represent their father's interests? Would there be anyone else competing to replace him? And who would it be? Zucco? Maybe Rupert Thorne?

Hmm, that's very interesting and if there is no Maroni to take over from Falcone thanit might his family??

 

[Miranda Fox]

Since Miranda Fox brought it to our attention, I believe that she should be the one to present it LR. Afteral, if it wasn't for her, would we have ever known of this. Well...maybe eventually, but I'm talking about as soon as I did. She deserves the credit for this find and LR should know that.

HEY! It's the holidays, man! I could be greedy and take credit for this and present it to LR as *my* find, but it's the season for giving, and Miranda Fox deserves it.

*blushes* Awww, you're too kind! t:

If anyone does get a response, please let us know. I'm dying to hear from Jett at BOF, as he has the contacts to find out what the deal is. I want this to be true as much as anyone but...it's the internet, so it probably isn't.

Ah, well. Way I see it, if TDK is half as good as this scriptment was supposed to be, we're in for a treat in 2008.

 

[COMPO]

Hmm, that's very interesting and if there is no Maroni to take over from Falcone thanit might his family??

i think it might be Lew Moxon, here's why?

an ambiguous mob boss with ties to the late Dr. Thomas Wayne.

According to the story, Thomas Wayne's actions resulted in Lew Moxon being imprisoned and ordering the murder of Thomas Wayne ten years later. Though this would make Bruce 12-15, the Silver Age Batman tales were known for their inaccuracies. When Batman realizes Moxon ordered his parents killed, he confronts Moxon, who can't remember what he did due to amnesia.

 

[Two-Face]

So it wasn't Falcone who ordered death of Waynes? why am I thinking this is like SM3?

 

[COMPO]

no body said Falcone did but, in the comics that's what happened?

 

[Artos]

So it wasn't Falcone who ordered death of Waynes? why am I thinking this is like SM3?

I figure if anyone ordered the Waynes' death it was Ra's.

 

[COMPO]

but, why though?

 

[The Only Woj]

these treatments are from JULY, aren't they?

 

[Miranda Fox]

these treatments are from JULY, aren't they?

The first one on this thread is, yes.

The more detailed one was posted sometime in Aug/Sep.

 

[Silver Souper]

Nah. I would rather have Batman free and fighting Gotham's criminals than contained giving villains more screentime.

Also, Batman is a trained ninja. He can't be captured and if he is captured, I'm sure he has a trick up his sleeve(like the sonic bat attractor) to get himself out quick before anything happens.

Besides, we already had our "moments" in Casino Royale.

if i remember correctly- the animated series had some great moments with batman captured. sorry to say "torture," I meant more that he'd be tied up and taunted by joker and scarecrow before escaping. it wouldn't be a torture scene. and i think that'd be rad.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Oh, score, I found the remains of Q's banning from AICN. The relevent bit:

Quoting: "Take a certain AICN scoopman (...). He gets his hands on the 80-page script treatment for THE DARK KNIGHT penned by Nolan and Goyer. He tries to get it posted on AICN, but guess what? A certain AICN major leaguer (...) kills the scoop."

Dunno who he's referring to, though. I thought he sent it in himself.

Anyway, here's the cached thread:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cach...dark+knight&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8

 

[Silver Souper]

He is going to have one. From what I heard Joker doesn't show up until a half hour into the movie, or so, and his origin is to be included. That's old news.

Miranda's scoop fits with that info, FWIW.

a half hour, or half way into the movie? I heard half way in (an hour or so)

 

[Rynan]

So it wasn't Falcone who ordered death of Waynes? why am I thinking this is like SM3?

Huh? What? No. No one ordered the Waynes murder. It was Joe Chill alone who killed them. It was totally random.

 

[ultimatefan]

Huh? What? No. No one ordered the Waynes murder. It was Joe Chill alone who killed them. It was totally random.

A lot of people get that wrong. Some think Ra´s ordered that murder, and he didn´t. It was actually a setback on his plan, cuz it set the rich and powerful in motion to help the city.

 

[StorminNorman]

I figure if anyone ordered the Waynes' death it was Ra's.

Ra's did not order the Waynes death, he simply created the economic conditions that drove Chill to his desperate state.

 

[Robin91939]

A lot of people get that wrong. Some think Ra´s ordered that murder, and he didn´t. It was actually a setback on his plan, cuz it set the rich and powerful in motion to help the city.

Exactly.

What happened was this.

Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows attacked the economy of Gotham City. In doing so they created a depression. Thomas Wayne combated this depression with his wealth and resources. The depression created a lot of people who were desperate, "depressed" and in need. One of these people was Joe Chill. In a RANDOM act, Joe Chill, in desperation killed the Waynes so he could have money to survive.

After the death of the Waynes, the rich of Gotham realized that there was a problem and that it was only a matter of time before something happened to one of them. They began combatting the poverty and depression that resulted in the death of the Waynes. In doing so, united to defeat Ra's Al Ghul unwittingly.

So, Ra's Al Ghul created the circumstances that created Joe Chill, but he did not order or ever talk to Chill. The murder of the Waynes was 100% random...as it should be.

-R

 

[COMPO]

Exactly.

What happened was this.

Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows attacked the economy of Gotham City. In doing so they created a depression. Thomas Wayne combated this depression with his wealth and resources. The depression created a lot of people who were desperate, "depressed" and in need. One of these people was Joe Chill. In a RANDOM act, Joe Chill, in desperation killed the Waynes so he could have money to survive.

After the death of the Waynes, the rich of Gotham realized that there was a problem and that it was only a matter of time before something happened to one of them. They began combatting the poverty and depression that resulted in the death of the Waynes. In doing so, united to defeat Ra's Al Ghul unwittingly.

So, Ra's Al Ghul created the circumstances that created Joe Chill, but he did not order or ever talk to Chill. The murder of the Waynes was 100% random...as it should be.

-R

Actually, in the silver age a mob boss named Lew Moxon ordered there murder, but, to make it look like a robbery they kept Bruce alive:

 

[TRUE]

I still think the Joker's origin should be the mystery they try to unlock over the next 2 films.

i agree

 

[Miranda Fox]

FYI: I edited my original post to put information from both sources together. Makes everything a little tidier.

Carry on.

 

[AdmNelson]

I love it! Especially with Scarecrow having a cameo, it will make the films feel more connected. That was one annoyance with the other series, in that the films always seemed stand-alones, with vague connections between them. Of course it didn't help with 3 Batmans, Dent changing actors and race, etc.

Regardless of whether this story is true or not, I would VERY much like to see Cillian Murphy back as the Scarecrow, even if it's just a cameo in the film. (And I think the idea of Dr. Crane being asked to analyze who this new "Joker" is would be cool, if a bit too much like "Silence of the Lambs.")

Or, having the Joker either a.) bust the Scarecrow out of Arkham (if he's already been captured), then kill or betray him, or b.) use a still-free Scarecrow to achieve some nefarious plans... THEN kill or betray him so that he gets captured, would be way-cool, to me.

-- Admiral Nelson

 

[Agentsands77]

If legit, this stuff is great news for THE DARK KNIGHT (though, of course, this is just a treatment... presumably numerous details have changed since then).

 

[The Only Woj]

Oh, score, I found the remains of Q's banning from AICN. The relevent bit:



Dunno who he's referring to, though. I thought he sent it in himself.

Anyway, here's the cached thread:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cach...dark+knight&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8

I believe, like LR, WB has probably gotten to AICN and said "no TDK reviews". WB is probably doing all they can to keep it super secret, no leaks.

 

[Rynan]

Actually, in the silver age a mob boss named Joe Chill ordered there murder, but, to make it look like a robbery they kept Bruce alive:

Wasn't that retconned?

 

[Tojo]

Well, there sure are gonna be alot of balls to juggle in this, especially if you want substantial character develpment mixed with great action/detective work. I seriously think they should allow this to be longer than BB. If a boring, tedious 3 hr+ film like LOTR can hold everyone's attention then Batman certainly can;

Think about it-Bruce/Batman, Alfred, Gordon(more screentime please), Dent, Mob boss(Falcone or Maroni), Joker, some girl, Cobblepot(hopefully)....pretty extensive. I hope Bruce isn't lost in all this.


As for Joker's origin, i really like, but am not sure we need it fully explained yet. I don't think it matters one bit wether Batman was involved or not. He hardly had anything to do with his origin in the first place, and i've always thought the red hood thing was verging on lame. IMO it's best that he's seeking revenge on the mobsters with Batman being an inconvenience which becomes a fascination.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm dying to hear from Jett at BOF, as he has the contacts to find out what the deal is.

Miranda, at this point, I think you may know more about the TDK production than Jett does! Anyway, really cool thread.