Season 5 Episode 6 Discussion "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken"

[DarthSkywalker]

On a lighter note, Sansa's wedding dress was pretty.

I don't understand why you are acting this way.

 

[SuperT]

The big problem here is that Sansa is suppose to be different now. She is suppose to be the one in charge, playing the game. They basically regulated her back to where she left off with Joffrey.

Bingo. It was a complete step back for her character and story arc. Now we're basically back to square one again.

 

[Brother Jack]

The big problem here is that Sansa is suppose to be different now. She is suppose to be the one in charge, playing the game. They basically regulated her back to where she left off with Joffrey.

What choice did she have? I can't see the marriage to Ramsay going any other way. The long-term point of it as I understand it is to take the injustice of it so that later on she will have the power to put the Boltons to justice.

 

[Marvolo]

The big problem here is that Sansa is suppose to be different now. She is suppose to be the one in charge, playing the game. They basically regulated her back to where she left off with Joffrey.

The person in charge isn't always the one acting in charge. Look at Varys and Littlefinger. Both of them have taken hits in their lives and arguably they may be the two most powerful people on the board. But they didn't just get to where they are all at once. Sansa's taken some hits and she's going to have to weather some more before she has the sort of power y'all seem to want her to have right now. She isn't so in charge that she can just tell Ramsay she has a headache and can't have sex. Sansa may be somewhat in charge of Littlefingers "Littlefinger", she made a few dresses, and she acts stronger than she used to, but she is still a young women in westeros.

My only real complaint is that Sansa shouldn't be snotty and weepy in the next episode. I can understand why the first time was shocking and something she was entirely unprepared for. But if she really wants revenge she's going to have to toughen up and quick. She has Ramsay's number now. She knows the sort of person he is. She survived Joffrey. She can survive Ramsay and his sadistic sexual fetishes. She needs to play into Ramsays hands be the sadistic sex puppet he wants her to be or let him do what he wants in the bed chamber and keep her eyes on the goal. Killing all the boltons. If she isn't strong enough to do that then I don't expect she'll survive to the end of the series.

 

[Wise]

The big problem here is that Sansa is suppose to be different now. She is suppose to be the one in charge, playing the game. They basically regulated her back to where she left off with Joffrey.

Every time the audience thinks a character is ahead in the game is usually when they're in the most danger.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have to say, I thought the show actually improved when Ned left (not because he left, but I didn't really feel his absence hurt the show). But, I feel that the show has taken a hit with Tywin's exit.

 

[Wise]

I have to say, I thought the show actually improved when Ned left (not because he left, but I didn't really feel his absence hurt the show). But, I feel that the show has taken a hit with Tywin's exit.

I sort of agree, but I think it has a lot to do with my love for Charles Dance's performance in the role. He was a great villain in that he actually knew what he was doing and in some ways his choices were in the best interest of the realm.

 

[Victarion]

I think Euron would have filled the gap left by Tywin quite nicely.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's realistic though. Women in the medieval ages didn't have a very good time.

The show is supposed to be uncompromising in it's depiction of the harshness of the world it inhabits. I've always thought of it as Tolkienesque lore layered over real world history. Unfortunately the real world was bloody brutal back then.

I would say that Westeros is a significantly worse place than medieval Europe (which is a bit broad, but, there are still general trends).

Europe was stabler and happier. But then, we are seeing Westeros in an unusual time period. It's also designed to entertain. Medieval Europe was often quite boring. Even in dynastic feuds, peasants and their lands were usually left unmolested.

The most curious difference to me is the fact that religion in the show is, or was at least until recently a fairly minor issue. Medieval Europe, for better or worse, was a very religious place. Westeros seems to lack the moderating qualities of Christianity and Islam.

Romans would frown at some of the stuff that happens in Westeros.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The person in charge isn't always the one acting in charge. Look at Varys and Littlefinger. Both of them have taken hits in their lives and arguably they may be the two most powerful people on the board. But they didn't just get to where they are all at once. Sansa's taken some hits and she's going to have to weather some more before she has the sort of power y'all seem to want her to have right now. She isn't so in charge that she can just tell Ramsay she has a headache and can't have sex. Sansa may be somewhat in charge of Littlefingers "Littlefinger", she made a few dresses, and she acts stronger than she used to, but she is still a young women in westeros.

My only real complaint is that Sansa shouldn't be snotty and weepy in the next episode. I can understand why the first time was shocking and something she was entirely unprepared for. But if she really wants revenge she's going to have to toughen up and quick. She has Ramsay's number now. She knows the sort of person he is. She survived Joffrey. She can survive Ramsay and his sadistic sexual fetishes. She needs to play into Ramsays hands be the sadistic sex puppet he wants her to be or let him do what he wants in the bed chamber and keep her eyes on the goal. Killing all the boltons. If she isn't strong enough to do that then I don't expect she'll survive to the end of the series.

I'd say there's a world of difference between Joffrey and Ramsay. Joffrey was a spoilt bully who had the power of a king. The Joffreys of the world are a dime a dozen, but Ramsay is basically an psychopathic serial killer who has the feudal society to protect him from rightful prosecution. He's a lot smarter than Joff to boot, with an animalistic cunning when faced with immediate problems. It's not a sex thing IMO, if she's going to win its got to be by being patient and using the Stark Legacy to turn things over.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

**** Ramsay.



That is all.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Every time something bad happens to the Starks, I remember this scene:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhqfjl3q7k4

 

[Marvolo]

I don't understand why you are acting this way.

Acting what way? I genuinely thought her wedding dress was pretty.

Look, I'm sorry, but the inevitable outcome of Sansa's marriage to Ramsay isn't getting me down.

Ramsay finally overplayed his hand. Theon is coming back to life. And hopefully Ramsay thinks he has Sansa fully under his thumb. His overconfidence will be his undoing. Ramsay has essentially hoisted himself upon his own petard. He just doesn't know it yet.

Its terrible for Sansa in the present, but in the long run this one act of Ramsay's is going to be the undoing of him and hopefully the Bolton's at large. As long as Sansa remains strong and continues on her path to revenge undeterred I'm gonna see this through, and see where D&D lead us.

 

[Victarion]

A number of reviews are praising the delicacy with which that consummation scene was handled. The Washington Post, for example.

In King's Landing Sansa was mostly simpering and made attempts at flattering Cersei. In Winterfell, she seems assured enough to make it plain that she despises the Boltons.

 

[Loki882]

I've never been one of those people who says "if it isn't 100% like the source material, then it sucks." I understand that these are adaptations, and certain changes must be made, for practicalities sake. And to be honest, it makes things more interesting sometimes.

However, THIS particular change was completely unnecessary and serves no purpose. You went too far there show. What's the point? To make her hate the Bolton's, she already had PLENTY of reasons to do that. And if it was just about making her suffer more, then why do you have to resort to THAT cliché, so many damn times?

I will say that it was very well-acted by all the actors, so there's that.

 

[Doc Ock]

It's realistic though.

Yeah well, realistic is dumb.


Like with every season there will always be an episode that will leave a big frown on my face.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What choice did she have? I can't see the marriage to Ramsay going any other way. The long-term point of it as I understand it is to take the injustice of it so that later on she will have the power to put the Boltons to justice.

The writers putting her here is the problem. She isn't suppose to be here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The person in charge isn't always the one acting in charge. Look at Varys and Littlefinger. Both of them have taken hits in their lives and arguably they may be the two most powerful people on the board. But they didn't just get to where they are all at once. Sansa's taken some hits and she's going to have to weather some more before she has the sort of power y'all seem to want her to have right now. She isn't so in charge that she can just tell Ramsay she has a headache and can't have sex. Sansa may be somewhat in charge of Littlefingers "Littlefinger", she made a few dresses, and she acts stronger than she used to, but she is still a young women in westeros.

My only real complaint is that Sansa shouldn't be snotty and weepy in the next episode. I can understand why the first time was shocking and something she was entirely unprepared for. But if she really wants revenge she's going to have to toughen up and quick. She has Ramsay's number now. She knows the sort of person he is. She survived Joffrey. She can survive Ramsay and his sadistic sexual fetishes. She needs to play into Ramsays hands be the sadistic sex puppet he wants her to be or let him do what he wants in the bed chamber and keep her eyes on the goal. Killing all the boltons. If she isn't strong enough to do that then I don't expect she'll survive to the end of the series.

This is akin to having Miss Mother of Dragons, after getting her dragons, getting raped every night. Same with Arya in her current situation suffering the same fate. The problem here is they wrote Sansa into a situation she isn't suppose to be in. And next week, it looks like they make it worse. They took someone who should be in power, and wrote her into a situation where she has no power.

I get changes, when it doesn't effect the characters nature arc. I accepted the problems they made for themselves with the Wall arc by deciding to film in a difficult place. I even lived with them completely wasting Selmy and killing him. This, this is stupid for stupid sake.

 

[chamber-music]

Well that was a horribly unconformable watch

Sansa still comes across as being in way over her head and a little girl playing tough to me. Sanasa has learned to mask her true feelings but she has yet to take control of the situations she finds herself in.

Ramsay is a monster. Poor Sansa, poor Reek. Stannis can't get to Winterfell and kill the Boltons quick enough.

It says something when Stannis is the most agreeable option right now.

I did not expect Adewale akinnuoye-agbaje to pop up as the slaver. Looking forward to his Killer Croc in the Suicide Squad movie.

Bronn's line “You fight pretty good for a little girl" made me laugh

I'm amazed people still trust Littlefinger. Even if they have not realized he is plotting to take the throne by orchestrating many of these horrible events he still comes across as a slimly and untrustworthy guy.

House Tyrell is getting taken out surprisingly easily.

I've not enjoyed this season as much as I had the previous ones. I think losing some big characters has sucked a little bit of interest out of the show for me. I still like the show though but I'm less excited for it than I used to be.

 

[Greens]

Pretty good episode.

The Dorne scenes were silly, though.

 

[Drz]

The girl with the daggers won the Oscar of bad acting when she got taunted by Bronn.

Let's just say i'm glad that Martin's story about Sansa Stark is different in the books. =)

 

[Greens]

The whole fight was complete ****. The choreography, the acting, the editing. I hope the Doom comes to Dorne and Areo manages to escape with Doran.

 

[Drz]

Yeah the fightning was awful because they we're treating the characters like noone could have died there.

 

[Loki882]

I'll give THAT scene one TINY bit of credit. The acting was great from all three actors, so kudos to them at least.

 

[TheFuture]

Acting what way? I genuinely thought her wedding dress was pretty.

Look, I'm sorry, but the inevitable outcome of Sansa's marriage to Ramsay isn't getting me down.

Ramsay finally overplayed his hand. Theon is coming back to life. And hopefully Ramsay thinks he has Sansa fully under his thumb. His overconfidence will be his undoing. Ramsay has essentially hoisted himself upon his own petard. He just doesn't know it yet.

Its terrible for Sansa in the present, but in the long run this one act of Ramsay's is going to be the undoing of him and hopefully the Bolton's at large. As long as Sansa remains strong and continues on her path to revenge undeterred I'm gonna see this through, and see where D&D lead us.

How is Theon coming back to life? He had his chance to do something and it would have been so easy to do so.

He didn't do anything though, and instead just seemed to develop a stiff upper lip in the final moment.