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Season 7 Spoilers and Speculation

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Well the leaked 'draft' is complete BS (I so called that). Craig already confirmed it. So it's back to knowing nothing for now. I'm surprised so many people even considered believing in it. Most of all because nothing legit will surface till mid/end July. Always has been that way.
 
Superman for all seasons isn't apart of The Official comic book Continuity . That just a four-issue limited series written by Jeph Loeb .

Maybe so but don't forget that it was SFAS that inspired Smallville, so it's safe to say that they most likely will follow that story than any other.
 
It would be nice if they followed the comic in terms of his reverse powers (minus The power of Flight , super speed, & Super strength.)

1. Fight
2. Arctic-vision
3. Flame-breath
4. vacuum breath
5. spot-light vision
6. x-ray hearing
7. Super Speed
8. Super Strength

But I highly doubt it, if anything it will just be the same powers as Clark has .

Meaning this Bizarro is more Red-K like than the actually comic book backwards talking version of Bizarro .

Those 2 Suck :down
 
Superman for all seasons isn't apart of The Official comic book Continuity . That just a four-issue limited series written by Jeph Loeb .




The Closure part only happens when he returns to smallville (and by that time he's

1. already Superman

2. He's madly in love with Lois Lane (and Lana knows this)

3. He tries to reconnect's with lana as a friend / Big Brother only

This has taking place both in the comics & STAS

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http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/superman/reviews/mygirl/


He did in

1. the comics

2. the movie

3. STAS

4. L & C : TAOS

Well, whatever...

I don't know as much about the comics that I do about Smallville and maybe it's a mistake to try and agrue arcane points about Silver Age Supes with you....

What is most important here.

Smallville's Clark is not really willing to let her go just yet, going from what happened at the end of last season, and I can't see him really moving on until he gets past that.

I don't think he'd ever move on from Lana with the state their relationship was left at the end of last season.

When she comes back, and I'm sure she probably will, they're going to have things to work out and he won't be able to be move on until they do.
 
Well, whatever...

I don't know as much about the comics that I do about Smallville and maybe it's a mistake to try and agrue arcane points about Silver Age Supes with you....

What is most important here.

Smallville's Clark is not really willing to let her go just yet, going from what happened at the end of last season, and I can't see him really moving on until he gets past that.

I don't think he'd ever move on from Lana with the state their relationship was left at the end of last season.

When she comes back, and I'm sure she probably will, they're going to have things to work out and he won't be able to be move on until they do.

I'd be good that when she returns another character returns like Brainiac or Bizarro.
 
Well, whatever...

I don't know as much about the comics that I do about Smallville and maybe it's a mistake to try and agrue arcane points about Silver Age Supes with you....

What is most important here.

Smallville's Clark is not really willing to let her go just yet, going from what happened at the end of last season, and I can't see him really moving on until he gets past that.

I don't think he'd ever move on from Lana with the state their relationship was left at the end of last season.

When she comes back, and I'm sure she probably will, they're going to have things to work out and he won't be able to be move on until they do.

I agree with you again Trip....I thought that was one of the points of the latter part of S6 to show that Clark is not by a long shot over Lana Lang and with the way Phantom ended he has no closure. At least Lana was able to say her good-bye's to Clark (and I guess Lex.)

As for mythos...Kal....I see your point too but SV is a revisionist/ re-interpretation of pre-Superman so I'm not surprised that some things are a bit different. I don't remember seeing Lex and Lois hanging out in Smallville with Clark Kent in any comic books I've read.
 
As for mythos...Kal....I see your point too but SV is a revisionist/ re-interpretation of pre-Superman so I'm not surprised that some things are a bit different. I don't remember seeing Lex and Lois hanging out in Smallville with Clark Kent in any comic books I've read.


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Lois Lane Meet's Superboy in smallville

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Lex Luthor superboy's pal
 
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Lois Lane Meet's Superboy in smallville

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Lex Luthor superboy's pal

Yea good pics, silver-age Lex and superboy were friends, until a accident which cost Luthor his hiar, and he blamed this on super boy. although smallvilles clark kent does not have secret Identity.
 
I hope that this new Daily Planet editor gets fired and that paves the way for the foreign correspondent, Perry White, to take his place.

I like the foreign correspondent part, kinda explains his absence.
 
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Lois Lane Meet's Superboy in smallville

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Lex Luthor superboy's pal

Thanks for posting these Kal :yay:.

The only problem is Smallville ISN'T about Superboy. If it was.....I'd smell a court case a mile away...ie the Siegel Family.:ninja:

That's why I'm sticking with the modern age telling of the story with a revisionist AlMiles angle.
 
Originally Posted by Yeah32
I have a link with one of the scenarist who is part of the team of the season opener. The original treatment of the episode has been written. Be careful, it's not even one of the pre-script. It's just the global form of the story. Lots of rewrites are going to be done. Here are some highlights:

The season premiere is temporary entitled « Vestige »

  • the episode opens with a view on a field near the dam. Some explosions can be seen which come closer and closer of the camera. The scene switches to slow motion. We see Clark in superspeed trying not to be caught by the heat vision of PhantomClark flying right behind him. Clark is hit by one of the beam and is sent meters away. Clark stands up as PhantomClark use the heat vision again. Clark uses his too. The beams bang into each other but the one from PhantomClark is stronger and Clark is sent away. Clark suffers but tries to fight back but his super-hearing is activated and he hears that the dam is just about to break. He superspeeds to the dam. ReverseClark smiles and flies away.
  • Clark comes into the dam looking for Lionel as he hears some voices. It's Lois who tries desperately to get off the dam carrying Chloe. Lois is hit with a beam but sees Clark coming just before falling unconscious. Clark carries Lois, Chloe and Lionel out of the dam in superspeed just before he breaks.
  • The water covers the fields taking away some of the ground. We have a subterranean view of some water activating a system. End of the teaser.
  • PhantomClark is making chaos in Metropolis, destroying buildings, flying through them. The town doesn't understand what's going on. Maggie Sawyer tries to contain the journalists. Jimmy Olsen is among them. Someone screams « It's a bird », another « It's a plane » « No it's ... » BOOM, another building explodes.
  • Clark brings Chloe, Lois and Lionel in the Smallville Hospital. He wants to come back to fight PhantomClark. Lionel wakes up in bed and tells him not to do this, that he's too powerful but Clark leaves the room in superspeed. Suddenly, Lionel is caught with a violent headache and begins to write kryptonian symbols, finishing with Power. Cut to a view from space where Martian Manhunter is recovering, flying over Mars. He opens his eyes, picking up a signal. He flies to Earth.
  • Martian Manhunter comes into the dam ruins. He uses his heat vision through the ground and we get a view on a part of a ship activated by the water.
  • Clark meets PhantomClark in the middle of a building where people are evacuating. The fight begins when nobody is around them. But Clark is defeated again.
  • There is a scene in the hospital where Clark comes into Lois room and asks her how she is doing. Lois says she's fine and thanks him for saving her. But she wants to know how he did to get off the dam with Chloe and her on his back. Clark is embarrassed but tells her he was motivated by the danger. Clark gets off the room and lets Lois with a suspicious look on her face. Clark looks at Chloe through the window but she's still in a coma.
  • Looks like PhantomClark is degenerating ( which explains the last shot of the season finale ) and needs a more important source of power.
  • There is a scene between Clark, Martian Manhunter and Lionel in the Fortress of Solitude. Kara is put in a giant crystal with yellow light inside. It's a sun light. She's regenerating. Clark can't believe that someone of his family is still alive. Martian Manhunter explains to him the situation. He believed that Kara didn't survive to his arrival on Earth. Looks like his father Zor-El made the experiments on the Phantom. Lionel studies the ship data to find a way to stop the Phantom.
  • Lex is confronted by a Federal Investigator but he tells him that he has no clue of his role in Lana's death. Looks like Lex is going to be free of jail.
  • Lionel is able to create thanks to the ship data a new form of Kryptonite, experimenting on green Kryptonite : the Blue Kryptonite which can weakens the Phantom.
  • The source of power that PhantomClark needs is the fortress crystals. The final fight takes place in the fortress between Clark, PhantomClark and Martian Manhunter but PhantomClark is too strong. There is a similar scene to last season finale where Lionel put the Blue Kryptonite on PhantomClark's chest, weakening him. Clark and Martian Manhunter then use their heatvision on him, destroying his body. The Phantom tries to escape but Clark and Manhunter use their Phantom Zone Crystals and send him back to the Phantom Zone.
  • There is a scene between Jimmy and Clark in Chloe's hospital room. Jimmy tries not to cry then gets off the room. Clark puts his hand on Chloe's cheek. Suddenly, a cocoon of light covers Clark and Chloe and Clark begins to suffer. Chloe wakes up screaming and Clark falls on the ground. Jimmy and Lois come into the room. Jimmy hugs Chloe and Lois kneels next to Clark. He is breathless but fine. Nobody understand what happened.
  • There is a scene in the Fortress where Kara wakes up before Clark. He smiles and asks how she's doing.
  • Another scene between Clark and Lionel in LuthorCorp. Looks like the training program has been damaged during the fight. Lionel tells Clark he's going to work on it with Martian Manhunter and tells him to take care of Kara. They then shake their hands right before Lex's eyes who had just come into the room.
  • There is a violent discussion between Lex and Lionel. Lex threatens Lionel not to be a part of his life anymore. Lionel tells him that he's becoming more and more dangerous each day. Lex answers that he's responsible for what he becomes. Lionel tells him that he realizes that what he doesn't deny what he made in the past but he understood that his real role in life was out there and that it is still time for a change. Lex told him that he's not like him. He says a line about Brutus killing Caesar in the ancient civilization and leaves the room letting Lionel perplexed.
  • There is a scene where Lex's men find some PhantomClark's DNA in one of the buildings in Metropolis. There is blood on the ground lost in the previous fight.
  • The last scene of the episode is similar to the one of « Crusade » with Clark and Lois before Lana's grave. There is a line about Chloe not coming because she's still weak. Clark kneels before Lana's grave putting flowers. Lois puts her hand on Clark's shoulder and begins to walk away. As she takes her car, she doesn't see one member of Lex security team following her.
  • Suddenly Clark sees something shining in the middle of grass. He finds Lana's old pendant now in crystal. ( I suppose Lana took it the last time she came into Clark's room ). He stands up suddenly looking around. Fade to black. End of the episode.
Since, this came i thought i might put this into a screenplay. I've finishes it now. So see what you think:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3617578/1/
 
^ :eek: When the heck were those posted??

those are some pretty elaborate details. either they're real or someone is incredibly creative.

Although the one thing that seems odd that the writing team is American so I'm not sure they'd talk in "meters" when talking about how far Clark got thrown, unless of course it was to translate it for the Canadian crew. The other thing that doesnt seem to jive is that Gough said Bizarro wouldnt be vanquished in the first episode like Zod was, unless of course they're going to make this a 2 part episode, which would be pretty damn cool.
 
^ :eek: When the heck were those posted??

those are some pretty elaborate details. either they're real or someone is incredibly creative.

Although the one thing that seems odd that the writing team is American so I'm not sure they'd talk in "meters" when talking about how far Clark got thrown, unless of course it was to translate it for the Canadian crew. The other thing that doesnt seem to jive is that Gough said Bizarro wouldnt be vanquished in the first episode like Zod was, unless of course they're going to make this a 2 part episode, which would be pretty damn cool.

Well, this is how:

There is a scene where Lex's men find some PhantomClark's DNA in one of the buildings in Metropolis. There is blood on the ground lost in the previous fight.

He'll probably, be cloned by Lex or something
 
^ :eek: When the heck were those posted??

those are some pretty elaborate details. either they're real or someone is incredibly creative.

Although the one thing that seems odd that the writing team is American so I'm not sure they'd talk in "meters" when talking about how far Clark got thrown, unless of course it was to translate it for the Canadian crew. The other thing that doesnt seem to jive is that Gough said Bizarro wouldnt be vanquished in the first episode like Zod was, unless of course they're going to make this a 2 part episode, which would be pretty damn cool.

KaiKai is right....Craig from K-site checked with his up to now "reliable sources" and its not legit at all. Only a couple of things are remotely close but otherwise....just a great idea.

Jun 25, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Good news (possibly) for you all... I have had someone confirm for me the "outline" is indeed BS. Some decent guesses, but some major differences.

Jun 25, 2007 @ 9:25 am
I consulted a very reliable source, and am going off of what this person has told me. This person has never let me down before.

There are one or two things that are remotely similar, that I know of, though nothing that anyone's been complaining about remains. Character motivations in the "outline" sound like they're totally off. It's not "Gone" redux at all. All of the characters sound like they'll be put to good use and not shat upon.

It's an odd-numbered season, maybe this one will be decent.
Jun 25, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Kristin is right; no McEditor, yes Jimmy.

But gosh, please people, trust me about the outline. It's bogus.
 
Yes because you really don't give a damn about Clana (to the extent of "Serene, Avid" & The rest of The clana Loonatics) You care more about tom Welling, Clark kent and in your opinion "your superman" from smallville. More than the shipper crap created by smallville fanatics.

And this I know for a fact
Your "facts" are myopic, but not entirely incorrect.

As far as SV is concerned, I "care" about what entertains me. The show is about Superman, and I really enjoy Welling's version of Clark, full stop. So you're right with that angle. But there's MANY permutations of what I find entertaining.

First and foremost is watching Clark Kent on his journey to becoming Superman...

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Second is the romance - both the heroic as well as the mushy kind. Superman is a very romantic character, and THAT is a huge part of his appeal for me...

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G&M take a lot of heat for their use of romantic triangles, but a HUUUUGE part of Superman lore is predicated on a goofy "triangle" that's actually between two people: Lois, Clark and Superman. I have NO interest in GreenKaraVille, Lois dating anybody *other* than Clark, or season-long arcs about Lex and Lana and a non-baby.

Now, while I've been incredibly annoyed by Lana at times, she's a whole nutha thang when she's actually with Clark, because the "shipper crap" *DOES* entertain me - a LOT - provided Clark is one half of the 'ship. To that I say, Bring. It. On!

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^ Lana, Chloe, Lois, Alicia, Raya, Lori, random FOTW... you get the picture. It's all good.

Throw in a little of this...

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And this...

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And this...

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And I'll be a VERY happy camper.

YMMV.

Thank God this series is coming to a close either this season or Season 8.
Why wait? Just stop watching it now if you want it to end. I "ended" The Sopranos about three years before David Chase.
 
First and foremost is watching Clark Kent on his journey to becoming Superman...

Journey, what journey for 6 freaking years TPTB have been focusing on his love life with lana , and lest on his journey to becoming The World's Greatest Hero. Even now going into the 7th season, he still has fully accepted his Kryptonian Heritage or his Destiny to save his adopted home planet Earth .

he makes a little progress and then TPTB pushes him 5 steps backwards (and were back to the same song & dance) . IMO out of all the different incarnations of Superman (Of Clark Kent journey going from The Farmboy to The Man Of Steel) Smallville does it the worst .

I prefer the very short version from all the other incarnation of Clark "Growing up in "smallville" ,

He & lana are high school sweethearts, But when his powers begin to emerge he break away from her, leaves her & his past life in smallville behind leaves home @ The age of 18, goes on a global quest around the world for 8 years .

Second is the romance - both the heroic as well as the mushy kind. Superman is a very romantic character, and THAT is a huge part of his appeal for me...

G&M take a lot of heat for their use of romantic triangles, but a HUUUUGE part of Superman lore is predicated on a goofy "triangle" that's actually between two people: Lois, Clark and Superman. I have NO interest in GreenKaraVille, Lois dating anybody *other* than Clark, or season-long arcs about Lex and Lana and a non-baby.

The love story in the superman mythology - (LOIS & CLARK) is my number 1 favorite in comic books followed by SPIDER-MAN- (Peter & Mary Jane), BATMAN - BATMAN & Catwoman) & THE FLASH - (Wally West & Linda Park).

you do know that's Lois Lane right ?

as for The clark & lana bit, they almost ripped off all the classic Lois & Superman from every incarnation .

so I like love stories, But for smallville . I hate it They screw up the whole Clark , lana , & Lex triangle sickness me to no end. It's like a bizarre version of The Classic iconic Lois, Superman, Clark, triangle or The Lois ,lex ,Clark triangle .





Why wait?

well if they going to drag their ass with clark's journey to becoming SUPERMAN . At least now I have something else to look forward to (other than Lex Luthor) Lois Lane @ The Daily Planet as The Reporter she's destined to become .
 
Journey, what journey for 6 freaking years TPTB have been focusing on his love life with lana , and lest on his journey to becoming The World's Greatest Hero. Even now going into the 7th season, he still has fully accepted his Kryptonian Heritage or his Destiny to save his adopted home planet Earth .

he makes a little progress and then TPTB pushes him 5 steps backwards (and were back to the same song & dance) . IMO out of all the different incarnations of Superman (Of Clark Kent journey going from The Farmboy to The Man Of Steel) Smallville does it the worst .

I prefer the very short version from all the other incarnation of Clark "Growing up in "smallville" ,

He & lana are high school sweethearts, But when his powers begin to emerge he break away from her, leaves her & his past life in smallville behind leaves home @ The age of 18, goes on a global quest around the world for 8 years .

The love story in the superman mythology - (LOIS & CLARK) is my number 1 favorite in comic books followed by SPIDER-MAN- (Peter & Mary Jane), BATMAN - BATMAN & Catwoman) & THE FLASH - (Wally West & Linda Park).

you do know that's Lois Lane right ?

as for The clark & lana bit, they almost ripped off all the classic Lois & Superman from every incarnation .

so I like love stories, But for smallville . I hate it They screw up the whole Clark , lana , & Lex triangle sickness me to no end. It's like a bizarre version of The Classic iconic Lois, Superman, Clark, triangle or The Lois ,lex ,Clark triangle .

well if they going to drag their ass with clark's journey to becoming SUPERMAN . At least now I have something else to look forward to (other than Lex Luthor) Lois Lane @ The Daily Planet as The Reporter she's destined to become .

you whine too much. all you do is pick apart everything Smallville does. Why don't you just stop watching until the series finale. Atleast then, nothing they do will bother you, and you'll stop complaining for atleast a season, maybe two. :whatever:
 
you whine too much. all you do is pick apart everything Smallville does.

Why don't you just stop watching until the series finale.

Atleast then, nothing they do will bother you, and you'll stop complaining for atleast a season, maybe two. :whatever:

first off I don't whine, I only express my feelings on certain flaws of the series .


I love the show despite it's many flaws (I'm hooked on it

1. I love all the action (the cool effects )

2. the superman elements they throw at us from time to time

3. I really enjoy Erica Durance as Lois Lane (her Journey from The Army Brat Daughter to The Iconic Legendary woman / Reporter & wife of SUPERMAN)

4. I enjoy the forshadowing of Lois & Clark and of Superman

5. Rosenbaum makes this show worth watching with his non-stop outstanding preformance as Lex Luthor .

6. John Schneider & Annette O'Toole were fantastic as Jonathan & Martha Kent, the best incarnation in live action .

7. John Glover is Incredible as Lionel Luthor
 
Journey, what journey for 6 freaking years TPTB have been focusing on his love life with lana , and lest on his journey to becoming The World's Greatest Hero. Even now going into the 7th season, he still has fully accepted his Kryptonian Heritage or his Destiny to save his adopted home planet Earth
"In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
- Abraham Lincoln

If Clark achieved his destiny at the end of S1, there wouldn't have been a S2. Same goes for S2, and so forth. If you're watching the show just to see the end, and everything before that is Clark's mindless "love life with lana," then why not just watch the finale episode? Kinda simple, y'know?

he makes a little progress and then TPTB pushes him 5 steps backwards (and were back to the same song & dance).
I've never been a fan of the YoYo, but they mix it up enough for me that it hasn't become THAT frustrating.

IMO out of all the different incarnations of Superman (Of Clark Kent journey going from The Farmboy to The Man Of Steel) Smallville does it the worst.
LOL! How many other incarnations of Superman's journey from CK to MOS do you know?

...that have lasted 132 episodes?

...in prime time?

Just wondering. It's not like the intricacies of this period of Clark's life have been told before, especially in live action.

I prefer the very short version from all the other incarnation of Clark "Growing up in "smallville",
Why did you start watching SV? Did you expect it to "end" after the first season?

He & lana are high school sweethearts, But when his powers begin to emerge he break away from her, leaves her & his past life in smallville behind leaves home @ The age of 18, goes on a global quest around the world for 8 years.
Hmm... Well, in case you missed it the first six times, here's the official description of the show:

Returning for its seventh season, this new interpretation of the enduring Superman mythology and its classic characters blends realism and adventure into an exciting action series. Fourteen years ago, a meteor shower burst from the heavens, raining destruction on the unsuspecting citizens of Smallville, Kansas. From the ashes of tragedy, emerged Clark Kent. Struggling to come to grips with his emerging superpowers, while battling the strange events that have plagued this idyllic Midwest hamlet since the meteor shower, Clark slowly learns to embrace his destiny. SMALLVILLE chronicles Clark's journey toward becoming the Man of Steel and his relationships with girl-next-door Lana Lang, future love Lois Lane and soon-to-be arch-nemesis Lex Luthor.​

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you do know that's Lois Lane right ?
Duh! :rolleyes:

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You do know that isn't Lana, right? :P

Kal, I've gone a year and a half and one bloody motion picture with Clark NOT having an intimate relationship with the woman he loves. WTF? You'd think it was a conspiracy or something LOL! It's time to bring back the love story for the LEAD character. I don't think I'm asking too much.

For all the "purists" out there, Clark's "journey" isn't to be found in specific, lightswitch moments. SV shows us his path to becoming Superman is more about WHY, not how. What should be ABUNDANTLY clear to everybody by now is that Clark isn't going to become Superman because daddy told him it was his destiny. He's not going to become a savior because an Indian legend prophesied he would. And he most certainly isn't going to be guilted into being a hero by Green Arrow, Raya, or a cousin he's never met.

HE will make the decision; it's HIS choice. His love for humanity and desire to connect with it in a way that allows him to be himself results in altruistic behavior that makes him happy and serves mankind at the same time.

Furthermore, Clark has to let Lana go, and ironically, he will need her strength and faith in him in order to do it.


as for The clark & lana bit, they almost ripped off all the classic Lois & Superman from every incarnation.
And just about every other superhero has "ripped off" Superman. So? I really don't care who copied who or why.

so I like love stories, But for smallville . I hate it They screw up the whole Clark , lana , & Lex triangle sickness me to no end. It's like a bizarre version of The Classic iconic Lois, Superman, Clark, triangle or The Lois ,lex ,Clark triangle .
LOL. Sux to be you, huh? :p

In all honesty, I would have stopped watching the show a LONG time ago if I loathed it as much as you make it sound.

well if they going to drag their ass with clark's journey to becoming SUPERMAN . At least now I have something else to look forward to (other than Lex Luthor) Lois Lane @ The Daily Planet as The Reporter she's destined to become.
Ah yes, the new Daily Planet scenes, where we'll see Lois and her relationship with its "hot" new editor, and the even more scintillating love triangle between Chloe, Jimmy and Kara. :dry:

All the more reason for me to look forward to the "B" stories involving these two...

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And these two...

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Why did you start watching SV?

Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor,The Whole clark & Lex friendship from the pilot episode ( I was curious to see How Clark & Lex went from best friends to Arch-Nemesis in the future)




Ah yes, the new Daily Planet scenes, where we'll see Lois and her relationship with its "hot" new editor,

That's not what I ment, I'm talking about Lois gettting hired by Perry White after uncovering The Dirty secrets of Lex Luthor & his company "LexCorp" like in the mythology .
 
Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor,The Whole clark & Lex friendship from the pilot episode (I was curious to see How Clark & Lex went from best friends to Arch-Nemesis in the future)
Hee! Well, S6 pretty much cleared that up, didn't it? (Much to both of our chagrins.) :ninja:

That's not what I ment,
Oh, I know what you meant. ;)

I'm talking about Lois gettting hired by Perry White after uncovering The Dirty secrets of Lex Luthor & his company "LexCorp" like in the mythology .
But you already know it isn't gonna happen that way on SV, which is what *I* was talking about. In fact, with O'Toole now gone, I have my doubts we'll hear about Perry again, much less see him on the show. :(
 
Hee! Well, S6 pretty much cleared that up, didn't it? (Much to both of our chagrins.) :ninja:

I'm still holding out that wasn't the final blow to Otherwise I'll be pissed off .

Oh, I know what you meant. ;)

But you already know it isn't gonna happen that way on SV, which is what *I* was talking about. In fact, with O'Toole now gone, I have my doubts we'll hear about Perry again, much less see him on the show. :(

According to Al's latest interview . He's still trying to get Michael McKean to return . So again I'm holding on .
 
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