Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

I think I can understand the cast not wanting to deal with this. The guy has been convicted, done his time and has been registered. It was a done case. But because he had a 2 minute scene, nobody cares about the Movie anymore. All the casts wants to do is promote the Movie, but instead have to answer questions about sex offenders and that they don't condone luring minors into sexual relationships. It's common sense, nobody condones that, but of course the interviewers still want to hear it.

I wouldn't want to socialize with the guy, but as long as he didn't actively harass anyone on set, there shouldn't have been a problem. But of course this whole situation blew completely up, and tarnished the entire Movie. If he did harass Munn off-camera though, then more power to her.
 
I think I can understand the cast not wanting to deal with this. The guy has been convicted, done his time and has been registered. It was a done case. But because he had a 2 minute scene, nobody cares about the Movie anymore. All the casts wants to do is promote the Movie, but instead have to answer questions about sex offenders and that they don't condone luring minors into sexual relationships. It's common sense, nobody condones that, but of course the interviewers still want to hear it.

I wouldn't want to socialize with the guy, but as long as he didn't actively harass anyone on set, there shouldn't have been a problem. But of course this whole situation blew completely up, and tarnished the entire Movie. If he did harass Munn off-camera though, then more power to her.
Munn is a part of the cast. I hope none of these men have tried to act like they are for MeToo or Time's Up. Because if that was there reasoning, they clearly don't understand that abandoning their female cast member in such a situation is a very good example of why such movements exist. Because it is up to women to make any progress because too many men in the industry really don't seem to care. Also when women do speak up, look what happens. They become alienated.

Also, she didn't say he couldn't work on the film. Her issue was with the fact that she was not informed she had to work with him. So she'd have the choice whether she wanted to or not. And considering the absolutely insane things the man told the LA Times, he clearly did not learn a damn thing from his time in jail or being registered as a sex offender.
 
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oh please she will spit Jesus blood all over it.
I think it had a chance. Now I am not so sure. Not great reviews, mixed with this toxic BS. The target demo is men of course, so I guess we will see. But yeah.
 
Munn is apart of the cast. I hope none of these men have tried to act like they are for MeToo or Time's Up. Because if that was there reasoning, they clearly don't understand that abandoning their female cast member in such a situation is a very good example of why such movements exist. Because it is up to women to make any progress because too many men in the industry really don't seem to care. Also when women do speak up, look what happens. They become alienated.

Also, she didn't say he couldn't work on the film. Her issue was with the fact that she was not informed she had to work with him. So she'd have the choice whether she wanted to or not. And considering the absolutely insane things the man told the LA Times, he clearly did not learn a damn thing from his time in jail or being registered as a sex offender.
Completely agree!!!

I fully believe in second chances and do hope that people learn the error of their ways. But the fact that Fox let this happen, the director went ahead and hired him just cause he’s his friend shows that people in power protect people like this. What’s worse is there is no screenings for this in Hollywood and Hollywood needs to start adopting screening checks for people to work on films. Especially if there are minors on set. The disgusting things that happened in the past to young people and women is just so wrong and it needs to stop.
 
I'll still see the movie. Just because the male cast minus Tremblay turned out to be cowards supporting an attempted child molester doesn't mean the movie isn't worth seeing. Munn is still there, Tremblay, and everyone else who was not involved in hiring that guy.

There is a common refrain about not supporting movies made by objectionable people. Which completely ignores that all the other people who aren't objectionable in it are just collateral damage. It isn't "seperating the artist from the art" because this isn't some solo collaboration. There are dozens if not hundreds of people whose lives are tied to this movie and the industry who have never done a thing worthy of boycotting or ignoring.

The rest of the cast are a major disappointment. They (as far as I know) have done nothing else wrong than fail to stand up for Munn but that doesn't automatically equate them as bad as that guy or even Black, who hired him.

Avoid the movie because you think it's bad. Don't avoid it because you think taking some kind of stance like this is going to matter. Take that stance up when it does matter the next time someone objectionable is cast in a movie. Not well after the fact.
 
I'll still see the movie. Just because the male cast minus Tremblay turned out to be cowards supporting an attempted child molester doesn't mean the movie isn't worth seeing. Munn is still there, Tremblay, and everyone else who was not involved in hiring that guy.

There is a common refrain about not supporting movies made by objectionable people. Which completely ignores that all the other people who aren't objectionable in it are just collateral damage. It isn't "seperating the artist from the art" because this isn't some solo collaboration. There are dozens if not hundreds of people whose lives are tied to this movie and the industry who have never done a thing worthy of boycotting or ignoring.

The rest of the cast are a major disappointment. They (as far as I know) have done nothing else wrong than fail to stand up for Munn but that doesn't automatically equate them as bad as that guy or even Black, who hired him.

Avoid the movie because you think it's bad. Don't avoid it because you think taking some kind of stance like this is going to matter. Take that stance up when it does matter the next time someone objectionable is cast in a movie. Not well after the fact.


I'm avoiding it / refusing to see it for my own personal reasons, it's a personal choice over whatever issue or reason people decide to see it/not see it. That reason matters, without it mattering, there IS NO ACTION taken, people will simply be allowed to repeat such circumstances. Whilst I am not suggesting for a minute, my $10 will mean horrible men are prevented from doing horrible things but it does mean a voice of disgust is heard and that my sentiments and many others I would imagine are heard and relayed back to garner such a viewpoint that maybe movements built TO act upon this have the added force to carry through their work on behalf of people who believe such behaviour is abhorrent and needs stopping.

The greatest threat to 'humanity' is the capacity of will to stand and do nothing when faced with oppression.
 
This is such a non issue yet being blown up and munn playing the victum card way to heavily. The guy did his time and it sounds like he changed from reports atleast in blacks eyes cause he casted him in the movie. Just another example of cherry picking when to be outraged and when not too.

I would also bet munn may claim the victum card here bit would jump at tje chance to work with johnny depp or mel gibson in a heartbeat or many others in hollywood with a checkered past.
 
This is such a non issue yet being blown up and munn playing the victum card way to heavily. The guy did his time and it sounds like he changed from reports atleast in blacks eyes cause he casted him in the movie. Just another example of cherry picking when to be outraged and when not too.

I would also bet munn may claim the victum card here bit would jump at tje chance to work with johnny depp or mel gibson in a heartbeat or many others in hollywood with a checkered past.


Seriously ? WTF, I can not begin to explain my feelings of anger and WTF to this post for fear of being banned. OMG. WTF.
 
This is such a non issue yet being blown up and munn playing the victum card way to heavily. The guy did his time and it sounds like he changed from reports atleast in blacks eyes cause he casted him in the movie. Just another example of cherry picking when to be outraged and when not too.

I would also bet munn may claim the victum card here bit would jump at tje chance to work with johnny depp or mel gibson in a heartbeat or many others in hollywood with a checkered past.


She worked with Depp in that Mortdecai movie, but I think that was a few years before his nonsense.
 
Seriously ? WTF, I can not begin to explain my feelings of anger and WTF to this post for fear of being banned. OMG. WTF.

Thats fine and i respect your opinion but this is also mine towards the whole situation. If we disagree thats ok too. Clearly shes carrying on and the rest of the cast just wants to promote the movie and move on. It sounds like there were no issues on set that were in line with mee too movement stuff so what is the real issue here? Saw on comicbook.com this morning she said she was shocked some of the cast gave a standing ovation but hadnt reached out to her tonsee of she was ok. Well if you were treated properly on set why would they now?
 
Thats fine and i respect your opinion but this is also mine towards the whole situation. If we disagree thats ok too. Clearly shes carrying on and the rest of the cast just wants to promote the movie and move on. It sounds like there were no issues on set that were in line with mee too movement stuff so what is the real issue here? Saw on comicbook.com this morning she said she was shocked some of the cast gave a standing ovation but hadnt reached out to her tonsee of she was ok. Well if you were treated properly on set why would they now?


Oh you are entitled to it, I'm not taking that away from you and if that's how you feel on it all and the seriousness of it, then that's your bag, I just am 'blown away' by the wording and sentiment behind said views and opinion.
 
The guy in question here didn't steal a car or even rob a bank because he was on desperate times, he tried to have sex with a child, that's a whole different level, I personally don't believe in second chances for those type of people, but the even bigger problem here is that Black didn't inform people of this guy when he put them in his vicinity, and now because Munn actually took a stand the guys on the film are either trash and backing Black and his pedo buddy, or they are running for the hills because they don't want to answer any difficult questions, like cowards, neither is a great look for any of them, and the fact that it's not one or two of the male cast but ALL of them reeks of the boys club Cliquing up.
 
Not condoning what the guy did in the least. I think what he tried to do was detestable. But what's the point of taking a stand against a person that was convicted 8 years ago and is now forever on a list and presumably never tried to do it again and didn't harass anyone on set? Where's the win here? What's the point of causing controversy over a guy who was already arrested and served time?
 
I'll still see the movie. Just because the male cast minus Tremblay turned out to be cowards supporting an attempted child molester doesn't mean the movie isn't worth seeing. Munn is still there, Tremblay, and everyone else who was not involved in hiring that guy.

There is a common refrain about not supporting movies made by objectionable people. Which completely ignores that all the other people who aren't objectionable in it are just collateral damage. It isn't "seperating the artist from the art" because this isn't some solo collaboration. There are dozens if not hundreds of people whose lives are tied to this movie and the industry who have never done a thing worthy of boycotting or ignoring.

The rest of the cast are a major disappointment. They (as far as I know) have done nothing else wrong than fail to stand up for Munn but that doesn't automatically equate them as bad as that guy or even Black, who hired him.

Avoid the movie because you think it's bad. Don't avoid it because you think taking some kind of stance like this is going to matter. Take that stance up when it does matter the next time someone objectionable is cast in a movie. Not well after the fact.

I will take the stance wherever and however I find it appropriate and the right thing to do.
 
This is such a non issue yet being blown up and munn playing the victum card way to heavily. The guy did his time and it sounds like he changed from reports atleast in blacks eyes cause he casted him in the movie. Just another example of cherry picking when to be outraged and when not too.

I would also bet munn may claim the victum card here bit would jump at tje chance to work with johnny depp or mel gibson in a heartbeat or many others in hollywood with a checkered past.
What articles did you read? Because the guy clearly hasn't changed and shows all the signs of someone who thinks he did nothing wrong. This guy isn't a former monster, he is a current one, who is still making excuses for what he did. That Black had to walk about his original statement says it all imo.

Twentieth Century Fox pulls scene from 'The Predator' after director Shane Black casts his friend, a registered sex offender

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Striegel said he did not have to audition for his part in the movie. “The character I played was named after a mutual friend of ours, and it seemed a good fit,” he wrote in an email.

“I've known Shane Black 14 years, well before this incident, and I think it's worth noting that he was aware of the facts,” Striegel said. “Shane can speak for himself, but I'm quite certain that if he felt I was a danger in any way to have around, he would not have.”

In emails to The Times, Striegel described her as one of his “distant relatives” who spoke to him at “several family gatherings” about “a multitude of problems she was facing, including being a truant, being pressured to do drugs and alcohol, and that she had started having sex, as well as many other things.”

In an attempt to boost her self-esteem, Striegel said he “made the the very bad judgement call of telling her in these emails that she was attractive, and sexy, and not a failure, etc.” He said he made it clear the two could not engage in a romantic relationship because of her age and because they were related.

But a March 2009 arrest warrant affidavit — which identifies the 14-year-old only as “Jane Doe” — alleges that physical contact included “kissing, touching Doe’s breast over her clothing, rubbing her legs and stroking her neck” on several occasions.

In one email message, Striegel told the girl that there was no one in the world he would rather have sex with. “I will be VERY honest: There’s no question that it’s you. None. Hope that doesn’t totally freak you out, and just because it’s what I want, and what you want, doesn’t mean it’s the right thing.”

In other correspondence, he described his sexual preferences in graphic detail, including his favorite intercourse position and intimate grooming practices.

“EVERY thing you say turns me on!!” he wrote to Doe. “I love that it rocked you when I pulled your hair that time.”

Further, Striegel cautioned the girl not to tell anyone about their clandestine relationship. “I know it might be hard for you to not tell someone, as it’s something on your mind I’m sure, but pleeease try to keep it between us ...”

The girl’s father discovered their correspondence and forbade them from talking. Still, the affidavit said, Striegel gave her a private number to call him on.

Though he lived in New York at the time, he was charged in Connecticut, where the girl lived.

Although the warrant alleged physical contact, Striegel called that claim “groundless.” “Nothing supported such a claim, and no charges in that regard were even filed. The only thing I was ever charged with were words in an email,” he told The Times..
 
Not condoning what the guy did in the least. I think what he tried to do was detestable. But what's the point of taking a stand against a person that was convicted 8 years ago and is now forever on a list and presumably never tried to do it again and didn't harass anyone on set? Where's the win here? What's the point of causing controversy over a guy who was already arrested and served time?
Here is the thing about second chances. One usually needs to show remorse. That they know what they did was wrong. This guy acts like he did nothing wrong, and blames the victim. He does this while there is a mountain of evidence that he was grooming a 14 year old girl for rape.

You know what the win here is? Showing that such behavior needs to be corrected first. That perhaps some attempt at change be made. Michael Vick is a good example. I will never accept what he did to those poor dogs, but he at least made an effort. Guys like this, they just go away for a bit, then just come back like nothing happened. Its ridiculous and does not reflect the gravity of the behavior we are talking about.
 
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This is such a non issue yet being blown up and munn playing the victum card way to heavily. The guy did his time and it sounds like he changed from reports atleast in blacks eyes cause he casted him in the movie. Just another example of cherry picking when to be outraged and when not too.

I would also bet munn may claim the victum card here bit would jump at tje chance to work with johnny depp or mel gibson in a heartbeat or many others in hollywood with a checkered past.

Classic Hype post. Classic.
 
Not condoning what the guy did in the least. I think what he tried to do was detestable. But what's the point of taking a stand against a person that was convicted 8 years ago and is now forever on a list and presumably never tried to do it again and didn't harass anyone on set? Where's the win here? What's the point of causing controversy over a guy who was already arrested and served time?


There is ALWAYS a point, it's called yearning for humanity in one's actions in the hope of finding inner peace when faced with something that threatens to cause unbridled pain. That's the point.
 
What articles did you read? Because the guy clearly hasn't changed and shows all the signs of someone who thinks he did nothing wrong. This guy isn't a former monster, he is a current one, who is still making excuses for what he did. That Black had to walk about his original statement says it all imo.

Twentieth Century Fox pulls scene from 'The Predator' after director Shane Black casts his friend, a registered sex offender

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It sounds like black was led to believe one thing about his friend he casted for a 2 minute scene. If anything this whole situation is a case of miscommunication and not enough oversight from fox. I dont judge but I dont condone ethier actions like that. Having said that apologies have been issued and fox course corrected the best they could do in this situation so what is the acceptable amount of victory here? Pull the film entirely? Again this is such a non issue and munn making it way bigger then it needs to be. Now shes attacking her co stars who just a month ago were all on conan laughing it up about a great time they had and now shes playing the victum?
 
It sounds like black was led to believe one thing about his friend he casted for a 2 minute scene. If anything this whole situation is a case of miscommunication and not enough oversight from fox. I dont judge but I dont condone ethier actions like that. Having said that apologies have been issued and fox course corrected the best they could do in this situation so what is the acceptable amount of victory here? Pull the film entirely? Again this is such a non issue and munn making it way bigger then it needs to be. Now shes attacking her co stars who just a month ago were all on conan laughing it up about a great time they had and now shes playing the victum?
First, he cast him in all his films apparently. Second, are we just going to skip the part where you acted like the guy was remorseful and Black knew what he was talking about?

It is stunning to me that when a woman points out a clear issue in this industry she is somehow playing the victim and it is her fault for being "sensitive". I can't imagine how Black thought casting a creep like his friend was a non-issue with reactions like this.
 
Not condoning what the guy did in the least. I think what he tried to do was detestable. But what's the point of taking a stand against a person that was convicted 8 years ago and is now forever on a list and presumably never tried to do it again and didn't harass anyone on set? Where's the win here? What's the point of causing controversy over a guy who was already arrested and served time?
The win is that this guy is still getting employed and shouldn't be, and certainly not without warning everyone who he is working with of what he is. Take a look at the posts from Darth, they show this guy has no remorse, just excuses, he tried to lure a 14 year old girl he is actually related to into a sexual relationship, I would certainly want to know if someone like that was in my personal space, so Munn's win is she has exposed this guy and Black for hiring him and not respecting her by informing her that he was putting her into close contact with a child molester.
 
Do you disagree she would take roles with other actors in hollywood with checkered past in order to advance her career?
I think you are avoiding what she said. Namely that she wanted the choice to walk away or ask that she not be asked to film a scene with a sex offender, that involved him hitting on her.
 

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