Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[henzINNIT]

Spoiler

So apparently the original script called for the capsule holding Predator hybrids. Basically think the Kenner Aliens toy hybrids...but with Predators.

So...why is that better?

From what I gathered from reading up on it...

Spoiler

Originally the big guy was the "fugitive" Predator, juicing up on DNA and creating hybrids. The other Predator was trying to stop him, not there to help humanity. The capsule containing an Iron Predator suit was just (noticeably) tacked on.

That makes a lot more sense than the film as-is.

 

[TheVileOne]

From what I gathered from reading up on it...

Spoiler

Originally the big guy was the "fugitive" Predator, juicing up on DNA and creating hybrids. The other Predator was trying to stop him, not there to help humanity. The capsule containing an Iron Predator suit was just (noticeably) tacked on.

That makes a lot more sense than the film as-is.

Not really. Still gaping holes and leaps of logic for the established lore of this franchise. Especially with the garbage way the fight with the Hybrid Predator was supposed to end.

 

[Aximili86]

That original concept does sound a lot better.

 

[TheVileOne]

But it still enables hybridization DNA malarkey, which...I don't understand.

 

[Aximili86]

We get it. Movie abomination, gwaaargh.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

Now that the movie is out, can this leaked script be read somewhere?
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[Loki882]

The whole

Spoiler

"Predator's taking DNA to upgrade themselves" idea is just stupid to begin with imo. And it both overcomplicates the lore and makes the Predator's far less interesting at the same time.

 

[Flash525]

But it still enables hybridization DNA malarkey, which...I don't understand.

If the script called for only the Super-Pred having hybridized itself, it would have been perfectly viable with the other Predators thinking of him/it as an abomination and hunting it down. As it stands, the logic of the film is currently flawed. Entertaining, but flawed.

I can't help but think that Shane has kinda' ruined the lore a bit with this route. Predators never needed to hybridize themselves. They're more than suitable/capable of being the ultimate Hunter without the DNA of other species.

 

[Spider-Fan]

From what I gathered from reading up on it...

Spoiler

Originally the big guy was the "fugitive" Predator, juicing up on DNA and creating hybrids. The other Predator was trying to stop him, not there to help humanity. The capsule containing an Iron Predator suit was just (noticeably) tacked on.

That makes a lot more sense than the film as-is.

This concept is much better and would have made 100 times more sense.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If the script called for only the Super-Pred having hybridized itself, it would have been perfectly viable with the other Predators thinking of him/it as an abomination and hunting it down. As it stands, the logic of the film is currently flawed. Entertaining, but flawed.

I can't help but think that Shane has kinda' ruined the lore a bit with this route. Predators never needed to hybridize themselves. They're more than suitable/capable of being the ultimate Hunter without the DNA of other species.

If we take Predators into account, then the hybridization thing could have made sense. Clearly how/why the Predator race hunt is different (just like any real life hunter). So having a rogue tribe that use other species to better themselves is not a bad idea. Especially if other tribes see this as cheapening the hunt. That is an idea with potential. What we got was garbage.

 

[Ninjablade]

Yeah I agree, if that really was the original idea, then it would've been a lot better. There'd still be some stupidity when it comes to wanting to use humans for hybridization, but at least it wouldn't make the entire race of predators seem like morons.

 

[moviedoors]

From what I gathered from reading up on it...

Spoiler

Originally the big guy was the "fugitive" Predator, juicing up on DNA and creating hybrids. The other Predator was trying to stop him, not there to help humanity. The capsule containing an Iron Predator suit was just (noticeably) tacked on.

That makes a lot more sense than the film as-is.

That does make A LOT more sense

Spoiler

Right away that clears up some problems, like, why the Predator that is ostensibly here to help humanity wipes out nearly every human he meets. It's a more in character reason to take down the Super-Predator too: he's unsportsman-like

Again though, I don't think this series gets better by going deeper into Predator-lore. That's one of those things like the future war in TERMINATOR or the The Clone Wars in STAR WARS that everyone thinks they want to see, but are better left suggested at. Go back to treating this series like a slasher-action movie.

 

[tanita_mors]

This was mediocre film at most. Saw it tonight and am still confused with predator had the human DNA, and why were we an upgrade given that we are physically weaker and less technologically advanced - I guess intelligence may be a bonus, but you don't need to be a genius to be a skilled hunter. Honestly, no one stood out, even those with more screen time did nothing with it - the material was just limited. I hated the ending with the Predator Killer - what a load of crap. Frankly, this was vastly inferior to Predators which I saw a few days ago. Hell, it was inferior to AvP which I kinda love to be honest - it's a super fun movie if nothing else. This is like a 5/10 at best. And I'm being generous.

 

[henzINNIT]

That does make A LOT more sense

Spoiler

Right away that clears up some problems, like, why the Predator that is ostensibly here to help humanity wipes out nearly every human he meets. It's a more in character reason to take down the Super-Predator too: he's unsportsman-like

Again though, I don't think this series gets better by going deeper into Predator-lore. That's one of those things like the future war in TERMINATOR or the The Clone Wars in STAR WARS that everyone thinks they want to see, but are better left suggested at. Go back to treating this series like a slasher-action movie.

I could be off on the details, I haven't read the script leak (and can't be sure what was actually shot either). I expect the original cut made more sense, but it still sounds like a convoluted mess.

I agree on the Predator-lore. It's fun EU, but none of the details make the creature seem more intelligent or threatening. There are a bunch of great ideas in The Predator for a fun sequel. I like the bus full of "loonies" as a cast of characters. A Halloween-set film could be good. There's about 100 other plot ideas in there too though.

 

[henzINNIT]

That does make A LOT more sense

Spoiler

Right away that clears up some problems, like, why the Predator that is ostensibly here to help humanity wipes out nearly every human he meets. It's a more in character reason to take down the Super-Predator too: he's unsportsman-like

Again though, I don't think this series gets better by going deeper into Predator-lore. That's one of those things like the future war in TERMINATOR or the The Clone Wars in STAR WARS that everyone thinks they want to see, but are better left suggested at. Go back to treating this series like a slasher-action movie.

I could be off on the details, I haven't read the script leak (and can't be sure what was actually shot either). I expect the original cut made more sense, but it still sounds like a convoluted mess.

I agree on the Predator-lore. It's fun EU, but none of the details make the creature seem more intelligent or threatening. There are enough solid ideas in The Predator, too many in fact. Strip it down and there's a decent film. For example: I like the bus full of "loonies" as a cast of characters. Predator at Halloween is fun... There's your film.

 

[Deck Rickard]

So, I avoided the spoilers and went in relatively dark here. What. The. Hell.

I was into the movie, two thirds went by and I wa enjoying myself. The CGI wasn’t great but I can still get through and enjoy stuff. And then that twist hit.

Spoiler

The Predators want to give themselves autism?!

And then I could just not believe what I was seeing for the rest of the film. People left my theater praising it, talking how much they loved it. I was just...in disbelief.

LOLLL I didn't look at it that way but... yeah, I guess so.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's "weaponized autism"

4chan users better watch out.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The more I think about this movie the dumber it gets. Another poster beat me to it but I was also wondering the day after seeing it why if The Predator was bringing humanity a weapon to fight against the Predators was he then slaughtering every human he came across?

It just doesn't make sense, and the super Pred being the rogue would have been a much better plot line.

 

[elgaz]

If we take Predators into account, then the hybridization thing could have made sense. Clearly how/why the Predator race hunt is different (just like any real life hunter). So having a rogue tribe that use other species to better themselves is not a bad idea. Especially if other tribes see this as cheapening the hunt. That is an idea with potential. What we got was garbage.

I'd have preferred them to take the angle of the Predators being a race of aggressive but intelligent beings who conquer other species and build their technology that way, effectively by acquiring it rather than making huge technological leaps themselves. And rather than trying to upgrade themselves through DNA.

And in between their bouts of invasion and conquering, they use the hunts on Earth (and maybe other planets) as training and also as initiation for younger members.

 

[TheVileOne]

But we are talking about a race of aliens that have already unlocked interstellar travel, invisible camouflage. What does Earth provide them that they don't already have? Not to mention, their gauntlet bombs are basically like mini-nuclear weapons. So, they know how to make devastating WMDs.

When you get right down to it, if we started a war with Predators, it wouldn't be a long fight. If they can miniaturize nuclear weaponry, think about what their REAL weapons would do?

This is a race of aliens that is far more advanced and stronger than we are. How is human DNA or technology going to help them?

If they wanted strong warrior DNA, what was keeping them from taking Danny Glover's DNA at the end of Predator 2? The dude beat another Predator one-on-one with the Predator's weapon. Why would they not want all that juicy spinal fluid?

 

[The Infernal]

Whether it's the theatrical cut or the planned script, either way it doesn't seem like Black spent more than a second on the logic of the story. Neither make a lick of sense.

I wouldn't mind movies that explore the Predators more as a sci-fi concept and less as a horror, but much like the AvP films, I don't think they should be set in the present day centred on crap we don't care about. AvP should have been more like Aliens with the addition of Predators and I think that further exploration of the Predator race should go beyond their ritualistic hunts. I kinda have the idea that they wouldn't rely on much of their hunt weapons in an actual war, especially against a similarly advanced race. Their weapons we see use strike me as tools specific to a hunt.

That said I would prefer a film more in line with the first two films first. Someone has said that the mystique is gone with the first film, which is fine because I think we still explore these movies through character pov and that works for me.

 

[Flash525]

If we take Predators into account, then the hybridization thing could have made sense. Clearly how/why the Predator race hunt is different (just like any real life hunter). So having a rogue tribe that use other species to better themselves is not a bad idea. Especially if other tribes see this as cheapening the hunt. That is an idea with potential. What we got was garbage.

We had the (seemingly) rogue group in Predators, though I suspect they were just a different clan than actual rogues. I just think the whole DNA splicing takes away from what a Predator is.

Spoiler

Right away that clears up some problems, like, why the Predator that is ostensibly here to help humanity wipes out nearly every human he meets. It's a more in character reason to take down the Super-Predator too: he's unsportsman-like

The more I think about this movie the dumber it gets. Another poster beat me to it but I was also wondering the day after seeing it why if The Predator was bringing humanity a weapon to fight against the Predators was he then slaughtering every human he came across?

The needs of the many? Said Predator wanted to give Humanity a chance; it couldn't have cared less about a few Scientists prodding and poking it - individuals are expendable. I didn't remotely have a problem with that scene.

But we are talking about a race of aliens that have already unlocked interstellar travel, invisible camouflage. What does Earth provide them that they don't already have? Not to mention, their gauntlet bombs are basically like mini-nuclear weapons. So, they know how to make devastating WMDs.

This is just another problem; if the Predators wanted our world so badly, they could just nuke it - we'd be toast, and the planet would be theirs. What we got at the end was seemingly a way for a person (or people, if it's reverse engineered) to fight, essentially, foot soldiers, but that doesn't make any sense in the grand scheme of things; are they coming here because they want our planet, or are they coming here solely for sport?​

 

[TheVileOne]

Traeger implied they want to colonize Earth due to global warming.

 

[Spider-Fan]

We had the (seemingly) rogue group in Predators, though I suspect they were just a different clan than actual rogues. I just think the whole DNA splicing takes away from what a Predator is.

If we put it in terms of sports, we could make some kind of effective plot line that mirrors the views of other sports writers and players on steroids: that it cheapens accomplishments. So the Predator, a society built on acquiring trophies and killing for sport, this could have been an effective thing to show the hybridization as making them enemies of their own species. So, the idea COULD have worked if handled in a way that made sense. The way they do it in the movie doesn't make sense.

 

[The Infernal]