Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[Flash525]

Traeger implied they want to colonize Earth due to global warming.

This doesn't fit with their theme though, they'd be erasing one of their hunts just for another planet to live on?

If we put it in terms of sports, we could make some kind of effective plot line that mirrors the views of other sports writers and players on steroids: that it cheapens accomplishments. So the Predator, a society built on acquiring trophies and killing for sport, this could have been an effective thing to show the hybridization as making them enemies of their own species. So, the idea COULD have worked if handled in a way that made sense. The way they do it in the movie doesn't make sense.

Fair point, except if any of the Predators shown in that film were to be the ones splicing genes, it should have been that beefy lookin fella, and not that normal one. The film should have revolved around honourable Predators following these hybrids to Earth in an attempt to eradicate them (and in turn keep their bloodline pure). Indeed what we received was nothing short of a mess in that regard - I enjoyed the film, but as an entertainment flick and not necessarily as a Predator/s sequel.​

 

[TheVileOne]

If we put it in terms of sports, we could make some kind of effective plot line that mirrors the views of other sports writers and players on steroids: that it cheapens accomplishments. So the Predator, a society built on acquiring trophies and killing for sport, this could have been an effective thing to show the hybridization as making them enemies of their own species. So, the idea COULD have worked if handled in a way that made sense. The way they do it in the movie doesn't make sense.

OK, but why are the Predators cheating? In pro sports, athletes do it in secret and try to get away with it and have this whole cone of deniability. And they do it...I guess because it works. Look at Lance Armstrong. For years, he was one of the most celebrated athletes on the planet. He was the poster boy for cycling as a sport. He was seen as a role model for surviving cancer and winning the Tour de France on multiple occasions.

For pro athletes, the benefit of cheating is it helps your career. People are naturally greedy. They want more. They want more money. Mansions. Fast cars. Better women. All that. So if you cheat, you can win, you can maybe extend your career, do more, etc. And get more money. What benefit do the Predators get from this? It's just something I don't understand.

I guess my question is, what's motivating Predators to want to cheat? Humans got the better of them one too many times? It's just so goofy. I can't wrap my head around it.

Because a human on its own can't beat a Predator. A Human has to be able to use cunning and strategy to possibly outsmart and out-think a Predator to beat it. Predators are already naturally stronger and faster. Why is DNA from a human going to make it better? It's not.

 

[moviedoors]

The needs of the many? Said Predator wanted to give Humanity a chance; it couldn't have cared less about a few Scientists prodding and poking it - individuals are expendable. I didn't remotely have a problem with that scene.​

And the soldiers in the beginning that it basically instantly starts stalking?

 

[TheVileOne]

This doesn't fit with their theme though, they'd be erasing one of their hunts just for another planet to live on?

Not trying to defend the movie, but just explaining what Traeger said. Planet was already under threat of pollution and global warming, so that makes human an endangered species. Predators were coming to Earth more because humans are endangered and trying to get more of that sweet sweet upgrade spinal fluid because Earth is basically having a closing it down sale, everything must go. So basically, I guess, Predators trying to get that sweet upgrade spinal fluid, Earth becomes a hot rock, and then the Predator moves in after humans are gone.

But Fugitive Predator maybe wants to save Earth apparently? A suit might help us fight them...but how does that fix the global warming problem in 1-2 generations?

 

[Spider-Fan]

OK, but why are the Predators cheating? In pro sports, athletes do it in secret and try to get away with it and have this whole cone of deniability. And they do it...I guess because it works. Look at Lance Armstrong. For years, he was one of the most celebrated athletes on the planet. He was the poster boy for cycling as a sport. He was seen as a role model for surviving cancer and winning the Tour de France on multiple occasions.

For pro athletes, the benefit of cheating is it helps your career. People are naturally greedy. They want more. They want more money. Mansions. Fast cars. Better women. All that. So if you cheat, you can win, you can maybe extend your career, do more, etc. And get more money. What benefit do the Predators get from this? It's just something I don't understand.

I guess my question is, what's motivating Predators to want to cheat? Humans got the better of them one too many times? It's just so goofy. I can't wrap my head around it.

Because a human on its own can't beat a Predator. A Human has to be able to use cunning and strategy to possibly outsmart and out-think a Predator to beat it. Predators are already naturally stronger and faster. Why is DNA from a human going to make it better? It's not.

Honestly, I don't think we need to know why they're cheating. Just saying they want to be the best and it drives them to cut corners (so that there is nothing they cannot defeat). The Predator's motivations don't need to really be that deeply thought out. That's over complicating the concept.

 

[TheVileOne]

Honestly, I don't think we need to know why they're cheating. Just saying they want to be the best and it drives them to cut corners (so that there is nothing they cannot defeat). The Predator's motivations don't need to really be that deeply thought out. That's over complicating the concept.

DNA and hybridization overcomplicates it as well

Even though taking spinal fluid doesn't explain why they clean and acquire the skulls as well.

 

[Spider-Fan]

DNA and hybridization overcomplicates it as well

Even though taking spinal fluid doesn't explain why they clean and acquire the skulls as well.

Only when presented in the stupid manner it was in this movie

 

[Flash525]

I guess my question is, what's motivating Predators to want to cheat? Humans got the better of them one too many times? It's just so goofy. I can't wrap my head around it.

Because a human on its own can't beat a Predator. A Human has to be able to use cunning and strategy to possibly outsmart and out-think a Predator to beat it. Predators are already naturally stronger and faster. Why is DNA from a human going to make it better? It's not.

Maybe they just want to look prettier? It's possible that word got back to their homeworld on what Arnie said "you're one ugly mofo" and they have come to the conclusion that by splicing their genome with humans, they can become sexy?

And the soldiers in the beginning that it basically instantly starts stalking?

Predators have always disarmed the armed. There hasn't (to my recollection) been a single time a Predator has allowed a gun-wielding person to simply walk around; that's posing a threat to them. If someone has a gun that has the potential to kill you, are you not going to try and at least disarm them? A Predator taking out an imminent threat is nothing new.

But Fugitive Predator maybe wants to save Earth apparently? A suit might help us fight them...but how does that fix the global warming problem in 1-2 generations?

Heh, indeed. You'd think with all their technological advances, they'd have something for climate change over a super suit that can help (one soldier) defeat a Predator that may just happen to be on a killing spree the other side of the planet (that's already going to be some sort of bodycount before our super soldier shows up).​

 

[moviedoors]

Predators have always disarmed the armed. There hasn't (to my recollection) been a single time a Predator has allowed a gun-wielding person to simply walk around; that's posing a threat to them. If someone has a gun that has the potential to kill you, are you not going to try and at least disarm them? A Predator taking out an imminent threat is nothing new.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that AT ALL. They can literally cloak and are masterful at remaining unseen and undetected. I'm going with the less convoluted explanation: bad storytelling.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well the fugitive Predator's goal isn't to hunt. It's not on a hunt. It's trying to "save" the human race.

Honestly, the plot of the Capcom Alien vs. Predator arcade game makes more sense. The Predators team up with some military commandoes to hunt the Xenomorphs. And then at the end, they will warn them they will be back to hunt the humans later.

 

[Flash525]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that AT ALL. They can literally cloak and are masterful at remaining unseen and undetected. I'm going with the less convoluted explanation: bad storytelling.

A Lepoard, Cheetah, Tiger and Lion can pretty much camoflauge themselves, and yet they'll still strike out if someone gets too close.

Camoflague doesn't make one invincible. The Predator considers soldiers fair game, so if there's a soldier running around with a gun, that's fair game to them. The exception in this case was obviously the scientists, but we should remember that said Predator had awoken surrounded by an alien enviroment of which it didn't choose, it stands to reason it would have struck out. If someone started prodding me with needles whilst I was tied down, I'd be pissed off too!

 

[Aximili86]

What I probably would have wanted to see in place of the big guy, if they were wanting something different, would maybe be an older, even elderly guy like the chief dudes in Predator 2 and the first AVP, on his own hunt for rogue/criminal predators here. But he sort of eschews a lot of the tech, he's that old-school. Sees the idea of cloaking as being for p*ssies, he doesn't use a shoulder-cannon, the works. So you could still have the hunting hounds concept, would have been cool for him to have some predator-tech whip if the lame guy in AVPR hadn't already done it. He's basically more hands-on and takes the honor/pride thing to an even higher level than your garden variety newbie pred guy.

Like some old-timey ultra-skilled predator "gunslinger", Wyatt Earp as an old dude, strength and speed starting to lapse a bit from what we've seen with the regular guys already, but making up for it with know-how and experience, a real 500-years-old "predator cop" badass. Would have felt different enough, without needing to get into all of this colonization bullsh*t. Just cook up some basic situation where the rogue predators have broken some honor-code rule or another and the brass have called the po-po on 'em.

 

[moviedoors]

A Lepoard, Cheetah, Tiger and Lion can pretty much camoflauge themselves, and yet they'll still strike out if someone gets too close.!

Dude. Do these animals have CLOAKING DEVICES AND INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL?

 

[Flash525]

Dude. Do these animals have CLOAKING DEVICES AND INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL?

I don't see what relevance that has. Soldiers are still a threat to a Predator, cloak or otherwise. The cloak makes them hard to see, not invisible. Remember that scene from the first film? Arnie saw the shimmer. It's not foul-proof.

 

[Nathan]

Because he knew what he was looking for and was preparing an ambush. If I didn't know what I was looking for and saw a distortion in the environment, my first thought would be I've got something in my eyes, not that I am looking at a cloaked alien.

 

[tanita_mors]

The way these last Predator and Alien universe movies have come out, I'd rather they dump any future convoluted attempts at building lore (because Scott has just made Alien lore even more confusing with Prometheus and Covenant, and this movie was bad). Just invest some money in a good adventure/horror AvP3. The second was an abomination - it was amateur hour bad, but I rather enjoyed the first one with all it's flaws.

 

[Micromind]

Maybe they just want to look prettier? It's possible that word got back to their homeworld on what Arnie said "you're one ugly mofo" and they have come to the conclusion that by splicing their genome with humans, they can become sexy?

Ha ! They have realized they look ugly.

 

[Micromind]

Which was better ?
Alien Covenant or The Predator ?

(I have seen neither, so depending on your answers.. I may choose one of them to watch, lol.)

 

[Spider-Fan]

Same ballpark quality, but I found more to like in Covenant.

 

[tanita_mors]

Yeah, Covenant. At least it has one truly great performance in Fassbender. And it's a better looking movie, even though it's main color pallet is grey and like brown/green. And unlike Prometheus, you see the Xenomorph Alien.

 

[Flash525]

Because he knew what he was looking for and was preparing an ambush. If I didn't know what I was looking for and saw a distortion in the environment, my first thought would be I've got something in my eyes, not that I am looking at a cloaked alien.

I feel like you're missing the point.

Think of it this way; when the Predator woke up in the lab, he was pissed, and worried about his mission. In order to get back on track, he kicked scientist and soldier ass and made his escape. Now rewind to the opening scene when the Predator ship crashes; his goal is still to protect his cargo and he'd just been shot out of the sky, so upon exiting his crashed craft he sees a bunch of armed soldiers. What's he to do? Eradicate them and protect his cargo, or simply assume they're not hostile and let them be on their merry way?

The cargo was the top priority here, those soldiers were just too close to his ship. He had a chance to kill them later on too but instead instructed them to lower their weapons [which almost worked]. If it wasn't for aardvark guy, they may all have reached some sort of understanding, but the Predator didn't know who was who upon crashing; the soldiers he first apprehended could have been anyone, working for some corrupt government.

Which was better ?
Alien Covenant or The Predator ?

Honestly, I think I enjoyed the Predator more. It was very much a popcorn flick, but we had the added humour. Covenant (for me) destroyed the alien lore more than Predator has issues within the Predator lore. Covenant tried too hard to be intelligent and didn't live up to expectation. The Predator could have been better, sure, but its much easier watching and, as stated, the comedy moments stand out for me.​

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, kinda with you there, Flash. Covenant's sort of a "better" movie, even though Ridley's not on his A-game of late he's still a beast of a director. Covenant's sort of...still ambitious like this is, but a little more conservative too, competently made with a few ideas that don't entirely hit home but still pretty in-line with Prometheus.

This was...way more risky, pretty out-there, and it hit home less than it needed to. But I do sort of appreciate just how batsh*t crazy it is, just for that it's probably above Predators for me. It tried stuff, at least, didn't just rely on apeing what's come before. It kinda failed at most of it, but there are definitely shining moments there, sort of give it points on that by default.

 

[tanita_mors]

Besides one or two moments, I found the comedy in The Predator to be rather forced. Particularly everything that came out of Keegan-Michael Key's mouth. The unicorn one and it's pay off at the end of the movie was good.

 

[Galactus123]

I saw this yesterday and it was really bad. I didn't like it at all. It is the worst Predator movie and even the first AvP is better than this. I didn't like the tone and the story wasn't very good.

Spoiler

I wish they would have used this music when they were remembering their friends who died near the end:


It was used in the first two movies.

 

[Sithborg]

Finally saw this. Disappointing. I LOVE the movie until the first Predator was killed. Turn that first part of the movie into the whole film, and I am on board. Hell, give me a movie about a Predator without his gadgets, that would be great fun. And then the super predator showed up, and things went down hill. The full plot about the kid and autism felt very forced and ignorant. And what the hell happened to the soundtrack in the last act? Felt more like something you would get in a superhero movie than a Predator movie. And the less said about the last scene, the better...