Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[Prettyricky]

Why? Does that change what Black did?

Also, you do realize Munn would be extra sensitive to this entire situation, considering what Ratner did to her, right?

No it doesnt change what black did at all. But I can question her for being mad at this and not for singer. This whole she cant be questioned is rediculous

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am a fan of the franchise as well. I honestly have only seen IM3 of the films Black has actually directed, so I cannot claim he is my favorite director or anything. But this whole controversy has sort of rubbed me the wrong way. There was much better ways to handle this then by basically lighting a dumpster fire.

This was always going to be a problem once it was revealed. But the thinking here after Munn reported this to the studio by Black and the male cast members is just so... ugh. It just makes it feel like any support over the MeToo or Time's Up movements just feel so obviously untrue.

Now if i believe Black and what he said, that he didn't really know what his friend was convicted of (he should have), I can get why he was a bit frosty about all this at first. But that would have been the moment to do what he should of done almost a decade ago. Look up what his friend was convicted of and then call up Olivia Munn and give her an all time apology. But he didn't. Not even after casting the guy he knew was a sex offender to inappropriately "hit" on Munn.

 

[-JKR-]

Oh my, the avoiding the truth and ignoring the facts, got your blinkers ready?

Didn't I already say that Black has made a mistake? But this is ridiculous.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No it doesnt change what black did at all. But I can question her for being mad at this and not for singer. This whole she cant be questioned is rediculous

Why do you continue to ignore that she wanted to be informed? To be able to make a decision? Because it ruins your argument?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Didn't I already say that Black has made a mistake? But this is ridiculous.

I love that word mistake. It really is an attempt to remove actual fault.

 

[Prettyricky]

Why do you continue to ignore that she wanted to be informed? To be able to make a decision? Because it ruins your argument?

I get she wanted to be informed.

Was she informed about bryan singer and his allegations before filming? Allegations broke 2013/2014, xmen didnt start filming until 2015’and released 2016. So she clearly has shown shes ok working with people that have serious sexual allegations of minors but convicted is just over the line
Because she didnt get a say so. No she should be outraged at sexual assault of any type whether allegations or convicted, Shes not being consistent bottom line and its ok for her to be questioned on that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Didn't I already say that Black has made a mistake? But this is ridiculous.

That is where you made the mistake, acting like Black is some poor victim in this with just bad judgment, the man he hired he has hired multiple times because he is a friend, ignoring the fact she he is a registered sex offender with documented proof of trying to groom a 14 year old he is related to for a sexual realtionship, he had already had prior semi relations with her. Black is rightfully getting buried for this and if this was Bay or some other director nobody likes then there wouldn't be all this flimsy BS trying to excuse him and write it off as a mistake, but because Black has written and directed some cool movies that are nerd favs then just like with Tarantino people are looking for excuses for repugnant actions, and the cast are rightfully getting heat because instead of standing by her they hung her out to dry, there's nothing ridiculous about the hammering all of these guys are getting for their piss poor behaviour.

Munn has done nothing wrong and yet in this thread we see that ugly culture of victim shaming, trying to paint her in a negative light which is disgraceful and why the actions of a lot of male sleazebags in Hollywood have been allowed to go on for such a long time. Had Black stood with Munn at the press event following the revelations, admitted he overlooked his buddies actions and was wrong for doing so, then people would react to him differently, but instead he put out some mealy mouthed letter trying to claim he didn't realize what his buddy had done.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I get she wanted to be informed.

Was she informed about bryan singer and his allegations before filming? Allegations broke 2013/2014, xmen didnt start filming until 2015’and released 2016. So she clearly has shown shes ok working with people that have serious sexual allegations of minors but convicted is just over the line
Because she didnt get a say so. No she should be outraged at sexual assault of any type, Shes not being consistent bottom line

If she did that then you'd say she was acting as judge and jury and slam her for that, and again you are aware that it has only been in the last year or so that women have finally been able to come forward and expose these scumbags right? You just continue to ignore facts and evidence because you have some clear hatred for Munn and are talking yourself into a circle of bad posts.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get she wanted to be informed.

Was she informed about bryan singer and his allegations before filming? Allegations broke 2013/2014, xmen didnt start filming until 2015’and released 2016. So she clearly has shown shes ok working with people that have serious sexual allegations of minors but convicted is just over the line
Because she didnt get a say so. No she should be outraged at sexual assault of any type, Shes not being consistent bottom line

She most likely was. And then she would have made a decision. You want to avoid this is a question of being informed, not what her decision will be after that. You seem to be under the impression that she doesn't have the right to make such decisions or the climate we are now in allowing actresses to speak out more freely. No matter how much some would seem to want them to simply keep their mouths shut.

 

[Prettyricky]

If she did that then you'd say she was acting as judge and jury and slam her for that, and again you are aware that it has only been in the last year or so that women have finally been able to come forward and expose these scumbags right? You just continue to ignore facts and evidence because you have some clear hatred for Munn and are talking yourself into a circle of bad posts.

I dont hate munn, not sure where your drawing that conclusion. I want her to be consistent on the topic as a whole.

 

[Teelie]

Munn isn't perfect. And she filmed with Singer before MeToo and TimesUp happened. Even now she is at risk of being blacklisted for "problematic" behavior such as calling out a director who hired a registered sex offender, the very thing that Hollywood keeps failing to address (amongst the other -ism's it hasn't fixed).

So working with Singer was probably a calculated risk to her. He was questionable but she's an actor, they need to work to make money and this was a big deal movie so I can see why she signed on.

In this case though, she was not told about this guy's past even though Black knew it and hid it from everyone. Once she learned of it she was supposed to what, not call it out and be a hypocrite for knowing his past and not saying anything?

No matter what she said or did not say, someone was going to use this against her. She might as well stand by her convictions on this and take the heat rather than stay silent and accept that Hollywood won't change on its own unless people call it out every time.

 

[Prettyricky]

So

She most likely was. And then she would have made a decision. You want to avoid this is a question of being informed, not what her decision will be after that. You seem to be under the impression that she doesn't have the right to make such decisions or the climate we are now in allowing actresses to speak out more freely. No matter how much some would seem to want them to simply keep their mouths shut.

So if she still chose to work with the guy then what?

 

[Spider-Fan]

This was always going to be a problem once it was revealed. But the thinking here after Munn reported this to the studio by Black and the male cast members is just so... ugh. It just makes it feel like any support over the MeToo or Time's Up movements just feel so obviously untrue.

Now if i believe Black and what he said, that he didn't really know what his friend was convicted of (he should have), I can get why he was a bit frosty about all this at first. But that would have been the moment to do what he should of done almost a decade ago. Look up what his friend was convicted of and then call up Olivia Munn and give her an all time apology. But he didn't. Not even after casting the guy he knew was a sex offender to inappropriately "hit" on Munn.

I get Black saying he wanted to see the best part of his friend. I mean, even when a serial murderer gets life or is put to death, there are people who mourn them. Black would always have gotten backlash, but if he just explained himself and gave a sincere apology, this would be dying out by now. But Black's overall handling of this sort of makes me not like him as a person. It reveals a certain ugliness in his character. Same with his male co-stars.

 

[Prettyricky]

Munn isn't perfect. And she filmed with Singer before MeToo and TimesUp happened. Even now she is at risk of being blacklisted for "problematic" behavior such as calling out a director who hired a registered sex offender, the very thing that Hollywood keeps failing to address (amongst the other -ism's it hasn't fixed).

So working with Singer was probably a calculated risk to her. He was questionable but she's an actor, they need to work to make money and this was a big deal movie so I can see why she signed on.

In this case though, she was not told about this guy's past even though Black knew it and hid it from everyone. Once she learned of it she was supposed to what, not call it out and be a hypocrite for knowing his past and not saying anything?

No matter what she said or did not say, someone was going to use this against her. She might as well stand by her convictions on this and take the heat rather than stay silent and accept that Hollywood won't change on its own unless people call it out every time.

So rather she get blacklisted now or 2 years ago atleast she would be consistent with her stance on this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So


So if she still chose to work with the guy then what?

Then she made a choice. Is she not entitled to that?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So rather she get blacklisted now or 2 years ago atleast she would be consistent with her stance on this.

She is. She wanted the information, the ability to make an informed decision. But hey, she wore a skimpy outfit in X-Men, so that ability is invalid.

Also, let's be real. I am sure if someone asked Munn about Singer, she'd be straight up about her decision making. I doubt she'd pull what some of the people who have worked with Allen and Polanski have. Where they try to avoid it like the plague. Munn seems rather honest.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I dont hate munn, not sure where your drawing that conclusion. I want her to be consistent on the topic as a whole.

She is consistent, you are just looking for ways to blame her or cast her in a bad light, Bryan Singer was accused, not convicted, accused of sexual misconduct, she knew and had a choice of whether to make the movie or not, here a man that was not accused but convicted of trying to have sex with a minor was put in a scene with her without her knowing anything about him. If you can't see the difference between her knowing about the allegations against Singer and being able to talk to him directly and make a call on whether she believed him and was willing to work for him, and being put in a scene where she had to act one on one with a convicted child molester without knowing what he was, then I can't help you, they are clearly completely different situations.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For those interested in this sort of thing, RT update:

45%
Average Rating: 5.7/10
Reviews Counted: 37
Fresh: 17
Rotten: 20

 

[Teelie]

It's far from the disaster some people are calling it. The reviews are so scarce right now that one or two of them can bump or drop the percentage by 3-5%. Once it comes out Friday and the audience reviews it, then you'll know how well or badly this movie is doing.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. 37 reviews is not a lot to go off of, as this will likely have maybe 200+ when all is said and done. But, I think it will end with a mixed score.

 

[Legendver2]

I'm a little confused with how this broke. Ppl telling me she went to social media first, but articles I'm reading saying she went to Fox first but didn't get a response imemdiately.

 

[The Shape]

 

[Lilbaz]

For me:

Munn = stood to her morals and complained about working with a convicted paedophile/groomer.

Black = got his mate a job in his film. Unless he has known him for the time he was in prison etc... he hasn't done anything wrong.

Fox = no background checks to see if this would be an issue. Other film companies are guilty aswell.

Co-stars = if any pulled out of doing interviews with her because they didn't want to be dragged in that's bad.

Munn looks good, the others need to sort themselves out and not make bad decisions but have to be given the benefit of the doubt. Throwing accusations at a "maybe" shouldn't be how this world works.

Film sounds a bit crap though.

 

[Teelie]

I'm a little confused with how this broke. Ppl telling me she went to social media first, but articles I'm reading saying she went to Fox first but didn't get a response imemdiately.

She told Fox first. People who claim she posted it on social media first are either mistaken or outright liars who want to excuse what Black did and cast Munn in a negative light.

Re-reading what Black said in his pseudo-apology, he claims his friend misled him about what happened. Which could be true but it also sounds like Black could have done a more thorough job of vetting the claim.

 

[THE WOLF]

Did she keep this energy when she worked with Bryan Singer