Civil War She'll put a hex on you! The official Scarlet Witch thread

[Cassandra Cain]

Pretty promo art. Although I'm getting kind of a Jesus Christ pose in this first image. Hmm...

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^ She's just stunning here.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Lovely just lovely.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[Mike5575]

Pretty promo art. Although I'm getting kind of a Jesus Christ pose in this first image. Hmm...

http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/O4Ew38g.jpg

^ She's just stunning here.

Oh my gosh! Like seriously, I just said oh my gosh. Wanda looks gorgeous and freaking amazing!

 

[Voltron]

Pretty promo art. Although I'm getting kind of a Jesus Christ pose in this first image. Hmm...

This is the best Wanda promo art by far. But her right arm is thinner than her left.

 

[TalismanRing]

This is the best Wanda promo art by far. But her right arm is thinner than her left.

By the look of her fingers her arms are turned in different directions.

Spectacular concept art. And Wanda gets bonus points for having the only SH suit one could wear outside of Superheroing.

 

[Mike5575]

Pretty promo art. Although I'm getting kind of a Jesus Christ pose in this first image. Hmm...

I'm getting more of a diva vibe from Wanda. I mean, her pose, the way she's dressed. Wanda's on full diva mode. I think those powers of hers may be getting to her head, so to speak.

 

[Abudefduf]

I'm really liking the new outfit. Simple yet sleek and elegant, just like a good superhero costume should be.

So much better that her AoU final costume, or your average overdetailed MCU costume for that matter. Unpopular opinion, I know.

 

[ernesth100]

Loving how which looks. For some reason she reminds me of Jean Grey Pheonix.

 

[AvengerPA]

This article complains about the lack of merchandise for Scarlet Witch:​

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http://fusion.net/story/275703/scarlet-witch-disney-infinity-marvel-battlegrounds/​

 

[Rote]

I wonder, why Wanda is appearing on promo art only now. It's clear that she took Sharon's role and was a late addition, but it's been almost a year since the start of the filming, they had plenty of time to do this. I thought that the reason was that she's not allowed to appear in merch promo art, but apparantly that's not the case.

 

[third3ye]

Said it before and saying it again, SW is a gray area when it comes to merchandising rights between Disney and Fox. Her recently released promo art is AFAIK only being sold on personalized products from Disney Store, and while I expect her to have at least a couple action figures (Hasbro and Hot Toys namely), she won't have a lot of merchandise beyond that. What's also interesting is that her artwork is solo, and she is clearly not being featured in any of the group artwork. This is part of the reason why Agent 13 was more heavily featured in merchandise artwork than SW, since Marvel owns that character outright. On the other hand, Marvel has no restrictions in using her likeness for theatrical marketing, which is why she's been shown more prominently in those materials. I don't have all the details but it's a complicated arrangement that limits how much merchandise Disney can put her on, and the manner in which she's portrayed absolutely needs to be the theatrical version, which could also be why she's not on Disney Infinity.

 

[jaymes_e06]

No that's not how it works Marvel have full control of everything outside of the movie rights and even then they have far more control over SW than any other X-Men related character.

 

[third3ye]

No that's not how it works Marvel have full control of everything outside of the movie rights and even then they have far more control over SW than any other X-Men related character.

Not even gonna bother with this one

 

[jaymes_e06]

Because you have nothing to add?

 

[Rote]

Said it before and saying it again, SW is a gray area when it comes to merchandising rights between Disney and Fox. Her recently released promo art is AFAIK only being sold on personalized products from Disney Store, and while I expect her to have at least a couple action figures (Hasbro and Hot Toys namely), she won't have a lot of merchandise beyond that. What's also interesting is that her artwork is solo, and she is clearly not being featured in any of the group artwork. This is part of the reason why Agent 13 was more heavily featured in merchandise artwork than SW, since Marvel owns that character outright. On the other hand, Marvel has no restrictions in using her likeness for theatrical marketing, which is why she's been shown more prominently in those materials. I don't have all the details but it's a complicated arrangement that limits how much merchandise Disney can put her on, and the manner in which she's portrayed absolutely needs to be the theatrical version, which could also be why she's not on Disney Infinity.

I was talking about these promo.

 

[third3ye]

Because you have nothing to add?

Because you don't know what you're talking about. Disney/Marvel clearly does not have merchandising rights to live action X-Men, so you're wrong there. And they do not have unilateral merchandising rights to the SW character, there are some restrictions. Don't care if you don't believe me, but watch as Phase 3 female character merchandise focuses more on BW, Agent 13, Wasp, and Captain Marvel and less on SW.

I was talking about these promo.

Good catch, I didn't realize she was on some of the group art. I stand corrected sir. However it's unclear what those promo art are going to be used for - merchandising or theatrical? That makes a difference.

 

[TalismanRing]

Disney controls merchandising rights for all their Marvel characters. It's that they have to split 50/50 revenues for X-Men film tie-in merchandise. It's why we see so many complaints from X-men fans that they aren't producing as much merch as they should for film tie-ins - Disney would rather produce merch they get 100% from instead of 50% and that promotes their own movies that they get 100% from instead of 5%.

Since SW is appearing in a Disney film then Fox shouldn't be getting a share of her film tie in merchandise though there have been claims there are "complications".

Still, there's Funko, Lego, Hot Toys SW merchandise and she is in team posters and even on Movie theater concession products as part of the team.

I'm inclined to believe that the replacement of SW in promo art with Sharon was because that art was very preliminary before SW was added to the films. It's why we keep seeing promo art pieces with Cap in scale mail though he's not like that from any of the movie stills. Just because promo art gets leaked later doesn't mean it's recent or up to date.

 

[third3ye]

Disney controls merchandising rights for all their Marvel characters. It's that they have to split 50/50 revenues for X-Men film tie-in merchandise. It's why we see so many complaints from X-men fans that they aren't producing as much merch as they should for film tie-ins - Disney would rather produce merch they get 100% from instead of 50% and that promotes their own movies that they get 100% from instead of 5%.

Since SW is appearing in a Disney film then Fox shouldn't be getting a share of her film tie in merchandise though there have been claims there are "complications".

Still, there's Funko, Lego, Hot Toys SW merchandise and she is in team posters and even on Movie theater concession products as part of the team.

I'm inclined to believe that the replacement of SW in promo art with Sharon was because that art was very preliminary before SW was added to the films. It's why we keep seeing promo art pieces with Cap in scale mail though he's not like that from any of the movie stills. Just because promo art gets leaked later doesn't mean it's recent or up to date.

Good post

Some of the criticisms surrounding the lack of product for BW and Rey from Star Wars is deserved, but with attention shifting to Wanda and people starting to think it's some sort of sexist conspiracy, I just thought that was unwarranted considering the rights complications with this specific character.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Disney controls merchandising rights for all their Marvel characters. It's that they have to split 50/50 revenues for X-Men film tie-in merchandise. It's why we see so many complaints from X-men fans that they aren't producing as much merch as they should for film tie-ins - Disney would rather produce merch they get 100% from instead of 50% and that promotes their own movies that they get 100% from instead of 5%.

Since SW is appearing in a Disney film then Fox shouldn't be getting a share of her film tie in merchandise though there have been claims there are "complications".

Still, there's Funko, Lego, Hot Toys SW merchandise and she is in team posters and even on Movie theater concession products as part of the team.

I'm inclined to believe that the replacement of SW in promo art with Sharon was because that art was very preliminary before SW was added to the films. It's why we keep seeing promo art pieces with Cap in scale mail though he's not like that from any of the movie stills. Just because promo art gets leaked later doesn't mean it's recent or up to date.

Are you implying Fox make any revenue off of merchandise associated with Fox owned properties because that's a fallacy as the only thing they would even have rights to would be placed in their universe with Marvel's permission. Marvel has no sanctions on what they own themselves. This is why they still sell X-Men and FF toys. They don't have to give Fox any percentages. Where are you even getting this from?

 

[TalismanRing]

Disney bought out for about a couple hundred million + their stake to the movies the movie tie in merchandise rights to Spider-man so they'd own that 100%. As far as I know they did not broker the same deal with Fox and revenues are shared (don't know what percentage) for film tie in merchandise.

 

[third3ye]

Are you implying Fox make any revenue off of merchandise associated with Fox owned properties because that's a fallacy as the only thing they would even have rights to would be placed in their universe with Marvel's permission. Marvel has no sanctions on what they own themselves. This is why they still sell X-Men and FF toys. They don't have to give Fox any percentages. Where are you even getting this from?

They still sell X-Men and FF merch (who the hell still makes FF product btw?) because the vast majority of these are based on the comic versions, not the film versions. We saw the same with Deadpool more recently, most of the merch support was for the comic version. Fox has no claim to those revenue streams.

Whether or not such a rev-share agreement exists for film, Marvel has little incentive to help out Fox's live action efforts. However if it were as simple as Marvel owning unilateral merch rights to all X-Men and FF film characters but choosing not to provide product due to their beef with Fox, the lack of Scarlet Witch product throws a wrench in this theory. Fox has yet to introduce their own version of this character so Marvel clearly isn't doing them any favors by promoting this character. Again, the situation is more complicated than what's been discussed in the public thus far, and the easiest path for Marvel/Disney is to license out the SW character sparingly for merchandising.

 

[jaymes_e06]

No it has to be film merchandise dealing with Fox's X-Men universe. That is all. Fox has no claim in the split deal they made with them when it comes to SW and QS as they aren't a part of the universe they created. It does not work that way. That is why technically even the new brokered show Marvel let Fox do with the X-Men have to be apart of a shared universe or shared toned universe to the Fox films. They can't suddenly make the shows like Disney and Marvel do theirs as it would go against the way the deal was set up.

Does that make sense?

 

[jaymes_e06]

They still sell X-Men and FF merch (who the hell still makes FF product btw?) because the vast majority of these are based on the comic versions, not the film versions. We saw the same with Deadpool more recently, most of the merch support was for the comic version. Fox has no claim to those revenue streams.

Whether or not such a rev-share agreement exists for film, Marvel has little incentive to help out Fox's live action efforts. However if it were as simple as Marvel owning unilateral merch rights to all X-Men and FF film characters but choosing not to provide product due to their beef with Fox, the lack of Scarlet Witch product throws a wrench in this theory. Fox has yet to introduce their own version of this character so Marvel clearly isn't doing them any favors by promoting this character. Again, the situation is more complicated than what's been discussed in the public thus far, and the easiest path for Marvel/Disney is to license out the SW character sparingly for merchandising.

Now your now bringing up an entirely different argument. The studio war you're referring to is not near as bitter as it once was as they are now working together. Also you seem to be going back and forth between the two subjects of merch rights and the studio war that aren't mutually exclusive.

Also i never said Fox had any claim to merchandising rights are you getting me mixed up with someone else...? My point was the only thing Fox has control of is their own universes merchandise money not Marvel's.

My last point let's say you're right (you arent but still) why would they even introduced a character they don't have full control of in the first place? What a stupid business move. Does that sound like Marvel or Disney to you?

 

[third3ye]

This is getting tiresome so I'm just gonna respond to you one last time, then you can find someone else to play with.

Now your now bringing up an entirely different argument. The studio war you're referring to is not near as bitter as it once was as they are now working together. Also you seem to be going back and forth between the two subjects of merch rights and the studio war that aren't mutually exclusive.

I've ALWAYS been on merchandising rights in this discussion. The rev-share agreement I was referencing was for film MERCHANDISE. I didn't realize I had to spell out everything for you. You accuse me of changing the subject and then you started referencing X-Men film and TV rights in your previous post And yeah, those 2 topics are not mutually exclusive - we more or less can tell that lack of merchandising support for the X-films is tied to the Fox-Marvel beef.

Also i never said Fox had any claim to merchandising rights are you getting me mixed up with someone else...? My point was the only thing Fox has control of is their own universes merchandise money not Marvel's.

I'm clearly referencing TalismanRing's post here. And I never said Fox has a financial claim on MCU product, all I said was the shared rights makes it complicated and not unilateral for Disney/Marvel

My last point let's say you're right (you arent but still) why would they even introduced a character they don't have full control of in the first place? What a stupid business move. Does that sound like Marvel or Disney to you?

Because SW and QS are not only mutants with X-Men ties, but also key members of the Avengers? Also SW was never meant to be a titular character within the MCU (and probably never will be), so clearly merchandising complications was the least of their concerns when they put her in AoU.

K, I'm done with