shooter on the va tech campus

[ShadowBoxing]

it's a lot simpler than that.

The average american CANNOT be trusted with a gun

When are you people going to realise it's time for an outright ban.

While you may be right, there has to be a better method than that. Guns are and should remain a right for they are the only and final recourse against our Government should they go rogue; which, unfortunately, is always a possibility. Checks and balances only work for so long, and as Jefferson noted "a little revolution every now and then is not a bad thing".

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

it's a lot simpler than that.

The average american CANNOT be trusted with a gun

When are you people going to realise it's time for an outright ban.

Should have happened after columbine, I just hope this wakes people up.

Can't think of a better way to remember those who lost their lives than by making their deaths mean something.

If yesterdays events result in a complete ban on privately owned guns in america then these kids died FOR something. Otherwise it's just a tragic waste of lives.

its a waste of lives either way. banning guns ain't going to work either. we tried banning boos, did'nt last long. and stop blaming americans. other countries have thier owns school/building shootings too.

 

[hippy fascist]

While you may be right, there has to be a better method than that. Guns are and should remain a right for they are the only and final recourse against our Government should they go rogue; which, unfortunately, is always a possibility. Checks and balances only work for so long, and as Jefferson noted "a little revolution every now and then is not a bad thing".

In jefferson's time they didn't have the UN

International peace keeping forces weren't available.

That excuse is hackneyed and pointless

If america went rogue the rest of the world would step up, they'd have to

 

[Spidey]

it's a lot simpler than that.

The average american CANNOT be trusted with a gun

When are you people going to realise it's time for an outright ban.

Should have happened after columbine, I just hope this wakes people up.

Can't think of a better way to remember those who lost their lives than by making their deaths mean something.

If yesterdays events result in a complete ban on privately owned guns in america then these kids died FOR something. Otherwise it's just a tragic waste of lives.

It's awful to think a tragedy of that magnitude is what it would take, but in principle, I have to agree.

 

[hippy fascist]

its a waste of lives either way. banning guns ain't going to work either. we tried banning boos, did'nt last long. and stop blaming americans. other countries have thier owns school/building shootings too.

again old and hackneyed, liquor isn't a lethal weapon

Also, never said it wasn't a waste, simply said their deaths could do some good in the long run

 

[ShadowBoxing]

If america went rogue the rest of the world would step up, they'd have to

There is currently no world power that could stand up to the United States, at least not in a fashion I'd want them too. Sorry, but the United States has locked up and lynched too many civilians already without "the world" coming to our aid. And frankly I see a lot of other countries, with atrocities far worse than a campus shooting by some whack job, with corrupt Governments and the "world" doesn't step into help. If the United States ever starting enslaving it's citizens (and it has done this to sections of it's citizens), or began systematically exterminating sections or groups, or starting moving towards a police state, I'd want a gun.

Furthermore in a world of terrorism and scarce resources, if there is ever a massive panic over fossil fuels, or a post-apocalyptic scenario, you'll want a gun. Sorry, but lethal weapons serve a purpose.

 

[terry78]

There was one site talking about how they need to arm students at schools with weapons so they can protect themselves. Yeah. that would work. Basically the "using a bazooka to swat a fly" syndrome.

 

[Spidey]

There was one site talking about how they need to arm students at schools with weapons so they can protect themselves. Yeah. that would work. Basically the "using a bazooka to swat a fly" syndrome.

New-age Confucius.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

There was one site talking about how they need to arm students at schools with weapons so they can protect themselves. Yeah. that would work. Basically the "using a bazooka to swat a fly" syndrome.

If they want to arm all college students then you have to give up the alcohol in my opinion, it's one or the other.

 

[Erzengel]

That's idiotic.

College kids, going through the most difficult stressful times in their lives, social acceptance, dating, schooling that's suppose to prepare them for the real world. Kids who drink heavily more than a lot of adults do.

They are at the peak of those emotional instability, yeah yet's arm them too.

 

[hippy fascist]

There is currently no world power that could stand up to the United States, at least not in a fashion I'd want them too. Sorry, but the United States has locked up and lynched too many civilians already without "the world" coming to our aid. And frankly I see a lot of other countries, with atrocities far worse than a campus shooting by some whack job, with corrupt Governments and the "world" doesn't step into help. If the United States ever starting enslaving it's citizens (and it has done this to sections of it's citizens), or began systematically exterminating sections or groups, or starting moving towards a police state, I'd want a gun.

Furthermore in a world of terrorism and scarce resources, if there is ever a massive panic over fossil fuels, or a post-apocalyptic scenario, you'll want a gun. Sorry, but lethal weapons serve a purpose.

Why do you think the Us hasn't gone to war with china/korea yet? The us only starts wars with people half their strength or less because they aren't as powerful as the world actually thinks

Also with troops scattered all over the middle east at the moment they're spread to thin. They'll get taken out, just a matter of when.

 

[terry78]

Why do you think the Us hasn't gone to war with china/korea yet? The us only starts wars with people half their strength or less because they aren't as powerful as the world actually thinks

Also with troops scattered all over the middle east at the moment they're spread to thin. They'll get taken out, just a matter of when.

You sound like you know something we don't. j/k I don't want big brother coming down on you.

 

[Darthphere]

Why do you think the Us hasn't gone to war with china/korea yet? The us only starts wars with people half their strength or less because they aren't as powerful as the world actually thinks

Also with troops scattered all over the middle east at the moment they're spread to thin. They'll get taken out, just a matter of when.

Nuclear weapons dude. Do you really want that?

 

[PhotoJones]

i thought i'd throw my two cents in:

not many things shock, sadden or anger me anymore. i've become pretty jaded and cycnical, and i'm pretty hard to take offense to anything.

however, since this tragedy happened, i've become offended by how some people are talking about this. specifically, BOTH sides of the gun control debate. it's not about gun control. not yet, anyway. people died. they were killed, and for no reason. even if you don't know any of those kids personally, it's still a time for mourning.

you take a step back and look at your life, and the lives of your loved ones and realize that the cliche holds true. life is short, and it is fragile. the control you have over your life is signifigantly less than you thick and want it to be.

it's not, however, a time to push agendas. in doing that, people are being incredibly disrespectful to the victims and their families. the proper time and place for debate on prevention and cause will come, but it's not here yet. the people on radio, the "pundits" on tv, and even some of the people on these boards ought to be ashamed. it truely disgusts me.

and i really think this digs at a deeper, larger problem. it's a human flaw, but it seems this country (the united states) has really nurtured it and let it grow. it's the drive for power; power over anything, and at any costs. i mean, when it's come to this; both sides scrambling to gain a foothold over one another over gun control in light of a horrible tragedy, i just think that's really sad.

it's the "find a weakness, exploit it" mentality, and it does not apply here. this isn't war. this is a tragedy, and it ought to be treated like one, if only for a little bit.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Wait, where are you? The UK?

I mean, that might explain how someone could they aren't shocked or surprised by something like this. It's the worst mass shooting in the history of our country.

EDIT: 12K. Yay.

People die every day. Its hard to be shocked by most things. Turns out someone down the end of my road died the day I got back from my holiday. Shocked? No. A little upset because I knew the guy and I helped him fix his car once, but if you read the rest of my post, it says it, right there. You can't be shocked about stuff like this any more. I don't even see where the shock should come from.

Hey guys, I'm a long time reader of the forms, but I haven't posted in awhile, and I have since lost my info to get on here. Thats why it says I just signed up. Anyway, I am a current Senior at VT and as a Hokie I wanted to thank you all for your kind words in this difficult time. Its very sad and things like this upset the entire country, and after Columbine and 9/11 I thought that I knew how loss felt, now I really do know. All my "main" friends are ok as far as I know. But as was discussed, in such a small community chances are very good that I have had classes or know some of the students. I just hate that a university that has given me so much in my four years here will forever be remembered for this. The toll is now 33 including the shooter, with many others injured. I suppose Im just trying to write as some sort of emotional release. So I will most likely ramble for the rest of this. What upsets me the most is seeing those images of places I walk in or around every weekday. I had a class last semester in one of the rooms on the second floor of Norris Hall, and all the news channels say things like rampage and massacre and you really understand how graphic and harmful those phrases are. As of right now, our community waits for word from officials as to the identities of our friends and families, but on a day like this we are all Hokies. We are asking all of the country to wear orange and maroon tomorrow in remembrance of those lost and injured and our heroes already mentioned and stories of our heroes still to come. In relevance to this board I am reminded of an issue of Spider-Man I had during my youth. A gunman pulls his weapon on a women, and her boyfriend steps in front of her and offers himself instead, Spider-Man then comes into the subway cab and disposes of the crook, but then thinks I am not the real hero..the real hero didn't have any powers but instead only had his own courage. I hope we all possess this same courage in a time when it is needed most. Thanks for reading and god bless.

ltrain13
VT class of 07

I've lit a candle for you. I'll say a prayer. I hope it helps. There isn't much else that can be said that you haven't already heard a thousand times. Learn from this, I guess. Let it make you stronger.

If they want to arm all college students then you have to give up the alcohol in my opinion, it's one or the other.

Be interesting to see which they'd pick if you gave them the choice- alcohol or weapons.

 

[StrainedEyes]

There is currently no world power that could stand up to the United States, at least not in a fashion I'd want them too. Sorry, but the United States has locked up and lynched too many civilians already without "the world" coming to our aid. And frankly I see a lot of other countries, with atrocities far worse than a campus shooting by some whack job, with corrupt Governments and the "world" doesn't step into help. If the United States ever starting enslaving it's citizens (and it has done this to sections of it's citizens), or began systematically exterminating sections or groups, or starting moving towards a police state, I'd want a gun.

Furthermore in a world of terrorism and scarce resources, if there is ever a massive panic over fossil fuels, or a post-apocalyptic scenario, you'll want a gun. Sorry, but lethal weapons serve a purpose.

That is completely insane. Nothing like that will ever happen in the United States. It's not like Bush could secretly tell the US army to go shooting all the black people. It just wouldn't work. So using that as an excuse for drunken southern folk, mentally troubled people, and inner city kids to have handguns is completely worthless.
There is no reason to own a gun. I've never heard of any civilian who had a gun saving the day in heroic fashion. People who have guns in their homes either never ever use it or cause an accident.
A Ban on guns would not work completely, but it would definetly work better than alcohol. People love to drink, but it's an odd fraction of the American Public who still fight for the right to bare arms.

Guns and Smoking should be illegal

 

[Erzengel]

Updated news.

A Virginia Tech senior from South Korea was behind the massacre of at least 30 people locked inside a campus building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university said Tuesday.

Police identified the shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea who was in the English department at Virginia Tech and lived on campus.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

Why do you think the Us hasn't gone to war with china/korea yet? The us only starts wars with people half their strength or less because they aren't as powerful as the world actually thinks

Also with troops scattered all over the middle east at the moment they're spread to thin. They'll get taken out, just a matter of when.

What ? lol You realize we can deploy a few hundred thousand soldier's every month and still have a nice reservoir to pick from for troops? And the only reason the US hasn't gone to war with Asia is the same reason they haven't gone to war with us. Nuclear Winter is a mother fugger.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Updated news.

Updated news.

Quote:
A Virginia Tech senior from South Korea was behind the massacre of at least 30 people locked inside a campus building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university said Tuesday.

Police identified the shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea who was in the English department at Virginia Tech and lived on campus.

I get the feeling that the thread is now going to explode with theories about this now. At least it'll stop the finger getting pointed at the guys that didn't do it.

I wonder what the repercussions will be for forgein students.

 

[Erzengel]

He was a permanent legal resident which shows how he could have bought the hand gun.

Also he was identified as a loner and the school is having difficulty finding information about him.

I wouldn't be surprised if there will be no explanation, and no note left behind.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

There should be no repercussions for forgein students. Just cause he was Korean means nothing. It's the fact of what he did. Not his skin color.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

I'm looking for his myspace.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That is completely insane. Nothing like that will ever happen in the United States.

Tell that to the Weimar Republic of Germany. They were more liberal than we were, and before they knew it Hitler had risen to power. You can choose to believe the United States is all "sunshine and farts", but I don't.

It's not like Bush could secretly tell the US army to go shooting all the black people. It just wouldn't work.

For a number of years, that's exactly what did happen with local law enforcement. The local Governments supported, often attended "lynchings" like they were saturday night date functions. Woodrow Wilson had a private viewing part for the KKK movie Birth of a Nation. We were extremely proactive about killing a disenfranchising black people.

So using that as an excuse for drunken southern folk, mentally troubled people, and inner city kids to have handguns is completely worthless.
There is no reason to own a gun. I've never heard of any civilian who had a gun saving the day in heroic fashion.

Then I think you need to "get out more" because there are plenty of instances where people successfully defend there homes with firearms.

The news tends to report, however, the mistakes and accidents that come from gun ownership. It's called "man bites dog".

People who have guns in their homes either never ever use it or cause an accident.

That's not even remotely true.

A Ban on guns would not work completely, but it would definetly work better than alcohol. People love to drink, but it's an odd fraction of the American Public who still fight for the right to bare arms.

About 50% at current estimates. Yeah a "small minority"

 

[Erzengel]

There should be no repercussions for forgein students. Just cause he was Korean means nothing. It's the fact of what he did. Not his skin color.

Exactly.

The DC Sniper was Black, the kid who shot up his school on the Reservation was American Indian and the guy who shot up the Amish school was White.

Insanity, being disturbed knows no skin color.

 

[Cmill216]

You can't be shocked about stuff like this any more. I don't even see where the shock should come from.

33 innocent people, college students, are killed abruptly on their quiet university campus (the largest mass shooting in this country's history) and you "don't even see where the shock should come from"?



To say someone shouldn't be shocked by this is to say someone shouldn't be surprised by this. Which is to say someone should expect something like this to happen. I know we live in a dangerous world, but that's bloody absurd.