Should American public schools mandate uniform dress code?

[BlackLantern]

Forgot the uniforms and re-introduce corporal punishment

 

[Spider-Bite]

Publisc schools have a responsibility to educate students.

Oh man. Nobody in collge is getting an education. Schools also take measures to promote diversity and acceptance for those who are DIFFERENT.

That's the purpose of mandatory public schools.

The main purpose. That doesn't mean kids can't enjoy being there. Why suck the fun out of everything?

Public schools should be equipped with ability to stomp out unnecessary distractions...and if a dress code creates that environment where students respect themselves, then that should be used.

A dress code is not the same thing as a uniform. And what about people with different cultures? What if a muslim from the middle east moves here to enjoy FREEDOM only to find out their daughters wont be able to wear scarfs. We should teach them discipline and give students the ability to concentrate when faced with distractions as they will be there in the real world.
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Allowing peer pressure and clothing de-stratficiation dictate dress code policy and environment undermine's the school's ability ot carry out its purpose.

That agrument would be like saying we should make all the students take ridilin or hormone injections to make their brains work faster. There is a little thing called life, and when you suck all the fun out of it, it defeats the purpose.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

I'm willing to bet there are studies that say quite the opposite as well.

yeah, that guy you quoted is a lie because nothing changed back at my school with uniforms(gay as hell) if not got WORSE.

 

[SentinelMind]

You like stating the obvious don't you? What people wear will not stop someone from getting an education. It's irrelevant. My god, you have to wonder how our parents and adults made it through the turmoil of non mandatory uniform schools. Jesus folks, get with the program.

Because it will reduce unruly behavior, distractions, and the need for counseling in the public schools. It will help people identify students in their neighborhood and increase safety.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Forgot the uniforms and re-introduce corporal punishment

Educating and abusing are two different things. I have spent the last several years helping raise my little sister, taking on heavy responsibility for her, and I'm doing just fine without spanking. When I have kids I don't plan on spanking. I do plan on instilling discipline and teaching them the value of work, and I don't believe in giving in to the kid's demands just so you don't have to listen to them whine. parents would notice that if you don't give in, than the kid's don't whine as much in the first place. Most parents give in so they can have peace and quiet. I don't believe in that.

But I don't believe in spanking either, and if I ever had kids, no teacher is going to be hitting them or other kids in front of them, unless they want a baseball bat to their head.

 

[Darthphere]

Because it will reduce unruly behavior, distractions, and the need for counseling in the public schools. It will help people identify students in their neighborhood and increase safety.

LOL! Dude stop. Now you're bringing out the safety argument. Stop backpedalling.

If anything, it makes it harder to identify anyone.

"Ma'am, who stole your purse?"

"A boy in a school uniform."

Wow, I'm betting they'll have that case solved by dinner.

 

[BlackLantern]

Why suck the fun? why not? it's school and considering the sorry state of public schools in America, some students do manage to prosper. They are the ones doing extra credit, making sure that the homework is done, while all the "fun" kids are getting ready for a career at Wal-Mart. I'm not rich or anything, but I busted my hump in school hoping it would pay off later on and all the "fun" people work at Outback as waitresses or in Target in the "management program"

 

[DarthRekal]

your kids.....but not the other kids.....you hit your kids don't you???


LOLt:

sometimes LOL ..never

Again, that's a job. You can always find another job. Kids don't get paid to go to school. Let them wear what they want before they have to face the conformity of the real world.

there is truth in that statement.. but do kids REALLY know what they want??? or do they just CONFORM to what other kids OPT as COOL???

The fact that somebody has an orange, doesn't mean we need to steal their apple.


Actually it costs them more money. Because not only do they have to buy a gajillion outfits for them to wear after school, they also have to buy uniforms too.

And if by chance it did save them money, wouldn't that hurt the retail industry costing people jobs?


Wow. I just said that people got their whole life to wear uniforms, and we should let kids be kids for a little while. Get used to it? That is not a reason to support it.



Conformity can. It robs people of their individuality. These are schools were talking about. They aren't Borg cubes and they aren't military units.

A little diversity doesn't hurt.

And clothing is not a form of discipline. It has nothing to do with discipline. And what about lunch time? Kids need to socialize. I remember being a teenager, during the first month of school, figuring out where are you going to sit at lunch. Searching for your friends so your not the one sitting alone with nobody to talk to. I can't imagine finding them if everybody wore the same clothes.


Some schools do. It's that conformity you were talking about.


so what are their worries?

no actually it saves me money.. i have kids.. and i have one that goes to a school where kids wear ALL the cool new hip stuff and i have to buy TWICE as much designer stuff she CHOOSES to wear.. my other kids.. i can get good BULK deals on uniforms....


are you really arguing economy based on kids uniforms???? look at japan their economy is fine... are you the same person who thinks priacy is wrong.. take a REAL look at the economic dissarray in this country then argue about loss of jobs

get used to it cant be used as an argument???

how bout be prepared???

or should we shelter our children from the real world and give them a culture shock later????

coformity to the social NORM is just as much conformity to the uniform...
society presses its own uniform...


really are your clothes your identity??? cause their not mine.. im DR whether im wearing a suit or wearing pants.. if i let my clothes define me how shallow am i really.. my kids have an identity that runs deeper than the clothes they wear.. and they can find their friend by look at their faces.. hmm human interaction?? such a NOVEL idea


what are their worries you ask??? how bout their grades???? how bout what toy their daddy needs to buy them.. how bout worrying about baseball/soccer other extra cirricular activities...



clothes do not make the man... im sorry if yours do

 

[Spider-Bite]

Because it will reduce unruly behavior,

False

distractions,.

Barely, and only in rare instances, and it doesn't outweigh the loss of personal freedom for the kids.

and the need for counseling in the public schools

No it wont. Counseling is almost always needed because of problems caused in the home.

It will help people identify students in their neighborhood and increase safety.

It will make it a thousand times harder, if everybody's clothing looks the same. You wont know which kid is which, especially in a crowded environment such as school or a school playground. It will also hurt the ability of guards and police officers on school campuses to protect the students.

 

[SentinelMind]

Oh man. Nobody in collge is getting an education. Schools also take measures to promote diversity and acceptance for those who are DIFFERENT.

First off, my apologies for asking for your age. I'm 22, to be fair. A college education is not required on the public. Furthermore, we're talking about kids, not adults.

The main purpose. That doesn't mean kids can't enjoy being there. Why suck the fun out of everything?

So you're suggesting kids can't have fun with a uniform dress code? I think that says sorry state of our generation if the clothes they wear dictates how content they are in schools. I think we're discussing stuff that is a little too abstract and vague to quantify.

A dress code is not the same thing as a uniform. And what about people with different cultures? What if a muslim from the middle east moves here to enjoy FREEDOM only to find out their daughters wont be able to wear scarfs. We should teach them discipline and give students the ability to concentrate when faced with distractions as they will be there in the real world.
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Schools can't discipline students without lawsuits. Removing the possibility of a uniform dress code only adds to the problem. Kids are given too much power and leverage in public school system which shows why its in the sorry state that it is.

That agrument would be like saying we should make all the students take ridilin or hormone injections to make their brains work faster. There is a little thing called life, and when you suck all the fun out of it, it defeats the purpose.

Wow, a uniform dress code between the hours of 9 to 2 sucks the fun out of life? Is this how you remember your child hood?

 

[BlackLantern]

Educating and abusing are two different things. I have spent the last several years helping raise my little sister, taking on heavy responsibility for her, and I'm doing just fine without spanking. When I have kids I don't plan on spanking. I do plan on instilling discipline and teaching them the value of work, and I don't believe in giving in to the kid's demands just so you don't have to listen to them whine. parents would notice that if you don't give in, than the kid's don't whine as much in the first place. Most parents give in so they can have peace and quiet. I don't believe in that.

But I don't believe in spanking either, and if I ever had kids, no teacher is going to be hitting them or other kids in front of them, unless they want a baseball bat to their head.

I am almost touched by that sentiment, once again proving, being able to produce offspring doesn't mean your opinion means a hill of beans

 

[Darthphere]

there is truth in that statement.. but do kids REALLY know what they want??? or do they just CONFORM to what other kids OPT as COOL???

Why does it matter? Let them wear what they want for whatever reason.

 

[SentinelMind]

LOL! Dude stop. Now you're bringing out the safety argument. Stop backpedalling.

If anything, it makes it harder to identify anyone.

"Ma'am, who stole your purse?"

"A boy in a school uniform."

Wow, I'm betting they'll have that case solved by dinner.

Darth, you conceded research shows uniform dress code reduced violent behavior, crime, and tardiness....and that it doesn't have to be a strain on poor familes. The only point I was making was that its easier to identify if a kid should be in school if he leaves the perimeter in a school uniform.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm understanding freedom of expression and such, but there need to be some guidelines in schools. Kids need to be taught that the outside world does have rules and guidelines that need to be followed. a Dress Code would seem a little less invasive than uniforms

 

[Darthphere]

I'm understanding freedom of expression and such, but there need to be some guidelines in schools. Kids need to be taught that the outside world does have rules and guidelines that need to be followed. a Dress Code would seem a little less invasive than uniforms

Most schools have dress codes. Like for girls no tanktops and such. And for everyone closed shoes. But guess what, you still have *****es who won't follow that. Let alone mandatory uniforms.

 

[BlackLantern]

So is there a coherent solution to this? Do we just let the little bastards wear whatever whenever? Do we enforce the buttoned shirts and jumpers and blazers??? What do we do??

 

[Darthphere]

So is there a coherent solution to this? Do we just let the little bastards wear whatever whenever? Do we enforce the buttoned shirts and jumpers and blazers??? What do we do??

Kill them. Kill them all.

 

[Spider-Bite]

no actually it saves me money.. i have kids.. and i have one that goes to a school where kids wear ALL the cool new hip stuff and i have to buy TWICE as much designer stuff she CHOOSES to wear.. my other kids.. i can get good BULK deals on uniforms....

I was thinking about that after I posted. In some instances people will save money, and in others they will lose money.

are you really arguing economy based on kids uniforms???? look at japan their economy is fine... are you the same person who thinks priacy is wrong.. take a REAL look at the economic dissarray in this country then argue about loss of jobs

It's not like not wearing uniforms caused economic dissaray. And we still have the best economy in the world. And uniforms could hurt economies. The retail industry could take a huge hit. We could see stores closing.

get used to it cant be used as an argument???

No it can't. That is no reason kids should need to wear uniforms. Your get used to it only means, quit complaining, because you'll have to do it later.

how bout be prepared???

Name one person who was't prepared to wear uniforms later in life because he didn't in school. Name one person who grew up to be a failure because they didn't have to wear uniforms. You see every person I've ever met in the workplace, wore uniforms. All of them. They managed to wear them just fine, even though they never had to wear them in school.

or should we shelter our children from the real world and give them a culture shock later????

that's what your arguing. Hide them from "disrespectable clothing hide them from dirstractions." I said expose them to diversity to help them be used to living and interacting and accepting people who are different from them. Your the one supporting a culture shock later down the road. I'm the one saying teach them to accept people with diverse cultures at a young age, before it's too late.

coformity to the social NORM is just as much conformity to the uniform...
society presses its own uniform...

I didn't dress along with the social norm. Who's to say what the social norm is? Not everybody dresses the same. Different stokes for different folks. Live and let live.

really are your clothes your identity??? cause their not mine.. im DR whether im wearing a suit or wearing pants.. if i let my clothes define me how shallow am i really.. my kids have an identity that runs deeper than the clothes they wear.. and they can find their friend by look at their faces.. hmm human interaction?? such a NOVEL idea

They are an extension of my personality. In school, I was proud of my clothes and my outfits I picked out. It was artistic expression. You could tell I was into rock by the way I dressed, and it wasn't because I had metallica written on my shirt. It was a total extentions of my overall persona. I enjoyed it. choice of clothing is no different from choice of words, or speech patterns.

And what about the clean cut professional guy? What about the muslim girl wearing the head scarf? What about the two girls at my school who came from an Yhamish background? What about the girl with the Jesus shirts? What about kids who like to stand out or blend in? What about personal freedom?

what are their worries you ask??? how bout their grades????

That's good that they care about their grades.

how bout what toy their daddy needs to buy them..

What about that pair of Nikey's I wanted when I was 12? Or those clothes I was looking forward to? I always looked forward to getting new clothes. For me it was like getting new toys.

how bout worrying about baseball/soccer other extra cirricular activities...

I am relieved that you allow them to worry about them. I figured you'd think they caused distractions and rebellion. Most pro-uniform advocates want those taken out of the curriculum, because they feel it promotes comptetiveness, jocks, kids getting made fun of for not being athletic, and a distraction from academic classes.

clothes do not make the man... im sorry if yours do

Nope but man and women make the clothes. And I only feel comfortable in certain clothing. As a kid I wouldn't want to be distracted by the fact that I hated the way I looked in certain clothing. If a girl is concerned because she has a flat butt, or a big butt, she should be allowed to choose her clothing in a way that disguises it.

 

[blind_fury]

No I believe in cruel social Darwinism for high school kids.

It builds character.

 

[Memphis Slim]

It's a great idea! Low cost in clothing for the parents!

Girls can't walk around looking like hookers.

Guys can't look like 50 Cent or Young Jeezy......t:


I love it! :heart:

 

[Darthphere]

It's a great idea! Low cost in clothing for the parents!

Girls can't walk around looking like hookers.

Guys can't look like 50 Cent or Young Jeezy......t:


I love it! :heart:

The bad apple effect.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Darth, you conceded research shows uniform dress code reduced violent behavior, crime, and tardiness....and that it doesn't have to be a strain on poor familes. The only point I was making was that its easier to identify if a kid should be in school if he leaves the perimeter in a school uniform.

I'd like to see these stastitics and learn about the variables. I really do not believe that is the way to go. We should learn to reduce behavior without forcing everybody to be the same, so that later on we can have the best of both worlds as a society.

And are you saying you don't know what a kid looks like if he or she is not wearing a school uniform? If a police officer sees kids out skipping school, he's not going to pull them over because they aren't wearing uniforms? come on.

 

[SentinelMind]

False

Well, this research here contradicts you http://web1.msue.msu.edu/msue/progr.../Revisedrevoflit.htm#II.Quantitative Studies:

 

[Memphis Slim]

The bad apple effect.

Naaah....

 

[Spider-Bite]

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I am almost touched by that sentiment, once again proving, being able to produce offspring doesn't mean your opinion means a hill of beans

I haven't produced offspring, so your right t: Being able to comprehend what I said does mean at least some beans though.

If you aren't gonna protect your children, well that's you. If I ever have children, and somebody commits a violent act against them, and the justice system wont help me out, than I wouldn't have much choice. I'd get out of jail eventually, and no teacher after that would be stupid enough to do it then.