listen we can argue til we're blue in the face... no i love expressionism... i just dont think uniforms are that bad as some of you are making it.. you can wear your nike's after school.... you can wear your GEAR after school... noon'es tellin you not to be you.. but what about the poor kids looking at you and cant afford the things you can?? they dont feel like the IN crowd our as diverse... im not tryin to hide my kids from diversity... they have their own styles out of school.. i just want them to worry about JUST school when they are in school... not who dresses cooler... and why they dont have the same pair of shoes as the MORE fortunate kids... i love being invidividuals... and i dont caer if they DONT enforce a uniform code... but im saying i dotn mind one.. its not the end of the world... and its not gonna harm us any.. i just see some of the good points and dont feel it takes away from my kids any.. they stil know they are special.. that where i come in .. its MY job to make sure they feel unique and special.. NOT their PEERS...I was thinking about that after I posted. In some instances people will save money, and in others they will lose money.
It's not like not wearing uniforms caused economic dissaray. And we still have the best economy in the world. And uniforms could hurt economies. The retail industry could take a huge hit. We could see stores closing.
No it can't. That is no reason kids should need to wear uniforms. Your get used to it only means, quit complaining, because you'll have to do it later.
Name one person who was't prepared to wear uniforms later in life because he didn't in school. Name one person who grew up to be a failure because they didn't have to wear uniforms. You see every person I've ever met in the workplace, wore uniforms. All of them. They managed to wear them just fine, even though they never had to wear them in school.
that's what your arguing. Hide them from "disrespectable clothinghide them from dirstractions." I said expose them to diversity to help them be used to living and interacting and accepting people who are different from them. Your the one supporting a culture shock later down the road. I'm the one saying teach them to accept people with diverse cultures at a young age, before it's too late.
I didn't dress along with the social norm. Who's to say what the social norm is? Not everybody dresses the same. Different stokes for different folks. Live and let live.
They are an extension of my personality. In school, I was proud of my clothes and my outfits I picked out. It was artistic expression. You could tell I was into rock by the way I dressed, and it wasn't because I had metallica written on my shirt. It was a total extentions of my overall persona. I enjoyed it. choice of clothing is no different from choice of words, or speech patterns.
And what about the clean cut professional guy? What about the muslim girl wearing the head scarf? What about the two girls at my school who came from an Yhamish background? What about the girl with the Jesus shirts? What about kids who like to stand out or blend in? What about personal freedom?
That's good that they care about their grades.
What about that pair of Nikey's I wanted when I was 12? Or those clothes I was looking forward to? I always looked forward to getting new clothes. For me it was like getting new toys.
I am relieved that you allow them to worry about them. I figured you'd think they caused distractions and rebellion. Most pro-uniform advocates want those taken out of the curriculum, because they feel it promotes comptetiveness, jocks, kids getting made fun of for not being athletic, and a distraction from academic classes.
Nope but man and women make the clothes. And I only feel comfortable in certain clothing. As a kid I wouldn't want to be distracted by the fact that I hated the way I looked in certain clothing. If a girl is concerned because she has a flat butt, or a big butt, she should be allowed to choose her clothing in a way that disguises it.
i whole heartedly agree with your big butt argument.. but uniforms can be tailored and altered..
i agree not wearing uni's isn't gonna solve all our social inequities.. it's ultimately the up to the parents to instill the proper morals within the children.. uniforms may feel constricting on someones expression of themselves but THATS what i argue.. it is society that has gotten us to this conscietousness(sp)... children shouldnt be defined by their clothing.. uniforms in my eyes levels the playing field and gives kids the chance to find uniqueosity(yes not a word) on different terms..it gives them a chance to break from what society deems cool.. just my view though
...I could just as easily type up a page and make a link to it and post it. I'm not saying you typed that whole thing up in the last 15 minutes but still.
nice excuse to ignore research.
It is possible that it reduces some "unruly" behavior, but I still dont' believe that is the answer. I believe in social reform, but we need to get to the cause instead of just masking the symptoms. Clothing is not the cause. Something else is.
You can believe philosophy you want, but all I care about is the operations of the school. That's what the research shows, decreased unruly behavior. If I ever have a kid, I 'd like that kid to go to a school that is safe. We can talk about "social reform" and find out "what the real cause is" but that doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to use of uniformed dress code. I think you put too much value on kid's choice and fads of clothing. Furthermore, no one is suggesting that kids need to wear these uniform dress code clothes 24/7. Or even one minute after the last bell rings. But during mandatory school hours, education and discipline is key, and business is business.
We should be finding ways to prevent bad behavior without making everybody look the same. We need to allow individuality. It's important, that future generations don't lose sight of that. I don't want to train kids at a young age that it's okay to force everybody to be a certain way, or teach them to stereo type that if somebody looks different they must be "unruly."
OF course, this argument is always used whenever the "threat" of uniform dress code is proposed. I really really think you'res assigning too much value to kids clothing. Children can see individuality beyond the cloth on their skin and will have a better chance seeing without cultivating a environment where valuing clothes is norm . Let's be honest here. Kids are fickle and influenced by peer pressure and will follow the pop-culture, MTV society norm if not the uniform dress code norm.
And clothes do help people find themselves and it helps them identify themselves. I am a completely different person than I was a teenager, and I dress completely different as well. Back then I would have felt akward dressing how I do now, and today I'd feel akward dressing how I used to back then.
what are you talking about? "Yeah I raped her, but I thought she was an adult." It would never matter. Assault on a kid is assault on a kid. You don't not get charged with assaulting a minor because you thought they were an adult. If your talking about statutory rape, that just going out on a limb, and is not large enough to have a role in this debate.
They already know how to change their clothes. It's easy.
If they have to figure out how to sneak out? It has nothing to do with uniforms, unless your going to put tracking devices in their uniforms now, which it would probably lead to. Before you know it, they will have an alarm system set to go off whenever one of those uniforms crosses school grounds. And besides WE DON'T NEED UNIFROMS FOR THIS. WE HAVE ATTENDANCE RECORDS. WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT CATCHING KIDS SNEAK OUT. IF THEY AREN'T IN CLASS, EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY AREN'T IN CLASS, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T IN CLASSS.
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You said it would be easy for police officers to spot a group of kids not in school if they are wearing uniforms. I don't think we should be tagging students anyways. It's like making inmates wear orange, so if they escape we will all know they are inmates running down the street.
agreed look at my avy... but parents have been dressing kids for years and YOUR parents give you your freedom.. you dont have it when you're a kid...
both of these are again social views and a matter of pride... you can feel good about your outfits but the poor kids cant???? you are subjecting kids to not only diversity but social heirarchy ..KIDS should be KIDS.. and not worry about whos the poorer or cooler.. that is a FUNNER environment for kids..spidey said:
clothes arent the main difference in which they should be exposed.. they WILL be subjected to different intellects views and cultures... what the heck do kids have to learn from dressing different???spidey said:
see above post.. there are other lessons to be learned .. what great mentor led made a speech about being CLOTHED equally or different..fashion is always A SOCIAL factor.. never has it been a moral fiber.. i'm sorry you think fashion is the ONLY exciting thing in a childhood.. cause i dont remember what i used to wear when i was kid.. just remember my friends and the good times we had playing kick the can.. video games and baseball.... never did i regret not having the new NIke's... my priorities lay(lied whatever) elsewherespidey said:
mommy and daddy SHOULD always be there for them.. THAT is what is wrong with society.... BEING there is THEE most important part of parenting... instilling other factors in my kids life is good enough for me.. my kids will not judge otehr kids by the clothes they wear.. that moral will be around long after i am gone.. in a sense that moral is me... and when my kids are thirty i can still give them advice and pick them up. i will ALWAYS be there for them... if clothes define the value of my kids life then i have FAILED my kids..spidey said:
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what are you talking about? "Yeah I raped her, but I thought she was an adult." It would never matter. Assault on a kid is assault on a kid. You don't not get charged with assaulting a minor because you thought they were an adult. If your talking about statutory rape, that just going out on a limb, and is not large enough to have a role in this debate.
Hmm..nice...if you say so.
They already know how to change their clothes. It's easy.
But it will discourage the behavior....any obstacle is an obstacle.
You said it would be easy for police officers to spot a group of kids not in school if they are wearing uniforms. I don't think we should be tagging students anyways. It's like making inmates wear orange, so if they escape we will all know they are inmates running down the street.
So, the student should be in school... if a police officer sees someone in a uniform from far away, they can obtain the student before he becomes a missing or exploited child or criminal, as opposed to if the student was not wearing a uniform. If the student should be in school, yes the teacher should be able to find out...but in the meanwhile,....the student is not in school. Assuming the student is wearing one, it will be easier to find the child. If the student is not wearing one, this it is no different that if there were no uniform dress code at all.
okay obviously you're getting heated with sentinelmind and NOT reading or refusing to understand what i write..and it's becoming childish retorts....
carry on.. it was pretty intellectual while it lasted
okay obviously you're getting heated with sentinelmind and NOT reading or refusing to understand what i write..and it's becoming childish retorts....
carry on.. it was pretty intellectual while it lasted
I'm sorry but that is a cop out post. Every thing I said in there is true. He said his keed doesn't need acceptance or to feel unique and special at school, because his parents do that for him. That sounds like a recipe for Jeffery Dhamer to me. And I pointed out parents are not always going to be there making everything better, and Rekal thinks he will always be there making everything better. He's wrong, and I specifically pointed that out.
And it's true. We can't suck the fun out of everything. I made specific relevant points, and this is an example people needing to learn to live and let live, and drop the bigotry. Not everybody is the same, nor should they be. If I dont' want to stop my kid from wearing something at school, just because you don't like it, well then tough ****.
lol.. a muth effin men!Anything that keeps emo boys from wearing womens jeans.
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