The Dark Knight Should Batman's Identity Be Revealed In This Movie?

[Heretic]

One of my HUGE issues with the original run of Batmovies was that he felt the need to reveal his identity to a different chick in every movie that then was never mentioned again.

How many more people is too many? 1. Fox figured it out (the news footage of the Tumbler police chase would have been an easy giveaway) and Rachel and Alfred knows. Anyone else is added risk to Batman and everyone he cares for.

 

[JStorm]

He should tell his twin brother, Bertram.

 

[ALP]

Batman can take off his mask and reveal his identity to everyone while on the monorail.

 

[StylishHokie21]

No too many people already knew in BB.

I would say no. Fox, Rachael and Alfred obviously already know, but if everyone else finds out Wayne is ****ed.

 

[JStorm]

If anyone else says "Alfred," please turn in your nerdcard, and leave your batman club pass at the door.

Seriously, you can not add Alfred in the mix of "too many people already know."

There was no revelation to Alfred; he was there for conception. It's like adding Ma and Pa Kent in the "too many people already know" category.

 

[Darknightnomis]

There was no revelation to Alfred; he was there for conception. It's like adding Ma and Pa Kent in the "too many people already know" category.

LOL!

I don't know Ma and PA Kent are just simple country folk and a little slow, they may not have figure it out that Clark is Superman.

 

[mikey09]

Batman can take off his mask and reveal his identity to everyone while on the monorail.

I was thinking the same thing lol ... let Batman reveal himself to a couple hundred of people and then have those people swear to keep his identity a secret. Now that is great story-telling ... how the heck did those movies make so much money

 

[Heretic]

If anyone else says "Alfred," please turn in your nerdcard, and leave your batman club pass at the door.

Seriously, you can not add Alfred in the mix of "too many people already know."

There was no revelation to Alfred; he was there for conception. It's like adding Ma and Pa Kent in the "too many people already know" category.

Wrong...he is a person...and he knows...that means that he does indeed count as a person who knows that Wayne is Batman.

Alfred would rather die than reveal the secret...and he may have to face that decision at some point...the fact that he could possibly choose to reveal the truth to save his life (though he never would) means he's a risk...and you keep the risk as low as possible.

 

[JStorm]

Wrong...he is a person...and he knows...that means that he does indeed count as a person who knows that Wayne is Batman.

Alfred would rather die than reveal the secret...and he may have to face that decision at some point...the fact that he could possibly choose to reveal the truth to save his life (though he never would) means he's a risk...and you keep the risk as low as possible.

I never said anything about risk level. He already knows; in BB, he help create Batman. He can not be added in as "too many people."

For one to say that, one would have to prove that Alfred never knew, and Bruce decided to tell him.

Reveling oneself and already knowing is two totally different things.

 

[JStorm]

LOL!

I don't know Ma and PA Kent are just simple country folk and a little slow, they may not have figure it out that Clark is Superman.

I'm glad someone saw my point and got a laugh out of it.

 

[Heretic]

Where does "too many people know" specify that Bats has to reveal the secret??

Fox was never told, he figured it out...so by your definition he also doesnt count. Heck, Rachel was never actually told "I am Batman" if memory serves, so she doesnt count either.

 

[JStorm]

Where does "too many people know" specify that Bats has to reveal the secret??

Fox was never told, he figured it out...so by your definition he also doesnt count. Heck, Rachel was never actually told "I am Batman" if memory serves, so she doesnt count either.

Fox was told: "don't think of me as an idiot."
Rachel was told: "it's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

Alfred help make the nipples of the third batsuit. Therefore, he is already part of the equation. He was not added in; he was not told at a later date.

When Bruce decides to tell someone, that is when "too many people know."

 

[Heretic]

Actually, Fox and rachel deduced that it was him through (obvious) clues. They were never told. You can not find a scene in Begins where Wayne admits to Fox that he is Batman.

However, he does count as a person who knows, because he figured it out and is a risk under torture.

If Alfred is tortured by The Joker and reveals Batmans identity, leading to Rachel being murdered, would you then consider Alfred "someone who knows Batmans identity"?

I cant believe you are actually not counting Alfred as a potential risk! He knows, and thats a risk...the biggest reason why a person like Batman wouldnt reveal their identity is to lessen the risk factors. You are dismissing risk like it hardly matters to him.

 

[JStorm]

I never said Alfred was not a risk, and clearly you refuse to understand that.

I have met you point for point, and I agree that Alfred is a risk, by knowing who Batman is.

For the last time, I think, my opinion if you will,including Alfred in "too many people already know," is pointless. Again, I never said that there was not a risk involved.

Alfred is a part of Batman, Fox, Rachel, and whoever else, is not.

This is just my opinion, and I recognize your point. The way I am, the way I believe is family is a part of who one is, and Alfred is family. My brother knowing my darkest secret and not telling anyone, does not count as me telling him and asking him to "not tell anyone," if he was there for said secret. In my life, and family, it is just understood.

Conversely, if I decided to tell someone else said secret, then I took it upon myself to add them into, as you say, "the risk."

I'm done with this discussion, and apologize if I have come across as rude.

 

[Heretic]

You havent come across as rude...you simply disagreed with the point and then changed the intention of said point...

This isnt about "family", its about "who knows".

Alfred knows...that should have been the end.

 

[JStorm]

On point then, Bruce should not tell anyone else, either through deduction, or flat out "owning up to it."

 

[Heretic]

Never tell another chick...Daredevil should be our guide with that one...

 

[JStorm]

Never tell another chick...Daredevil should be our guide with that one...

Now this, I can agree with.

Someone said it best in an earlier post (paraphrased): "I didn't like how Bruce told the love interest in every movie, then to have said love interest never to be mentioned of, in other films."

Aside from Vicki Vale, I don't think Bruce ever mentioned one to another. Clearly, that is bad dating policy; but the point still stands.

I was upset that Rachel was told/found out, however one wants to see it; but for her to be in the second film, that makes me think Nolan and company understands real life.

Side note: I wonder if the love triangle is, in fact, a love triangle, or if Bruce will throw another woman into the equation.

 

[Taiwarriorz21]

IDK if Bruce Wayne and Batman should be revealed b/c Villains get leverage when on Wayne's loved ones.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Its simple, you reveal Batman as a man, he is just bruce wayne in a costume.
His power is his presence of mystery.
So no, they should never reveal his identity.

Same here. I hate it in the original Batman movies that he seem to reveal his idenity everytime he is with different women. That was too much & just doesn't feel like the thing Batman would do.

 

[Anita18]

IDK if Bruce Wayne and Batman should be revealed b/c Villains get leverage when on Wayne's loved ones.

Falcone was already aiming to do that, and Bruce wasn't even Batman yet. "You think you got nothing to lose. What about your lady friend down at the DA's office? What about your old butler? Bang!"

 

[Anita18]

Grargh double post

 

[RazTheGreat]

No. This was a huge mistake for the first film series. Every single time Batman met a girl, he would reveal his identity. I just refuse to believe, that at some point, one of these bitter ex-girlfriends wouldn't of went to the media with this big news. And not only that, but where is the torture of it? If he can simply decide to reveal to these people with no consequences, it takes away from his isolation, a big part of the character.

 

[Nightmare]

I agree, revealing his identity is stupid. I remember he ripped off his mask for Selina Kyle in BMR and i just kept thinking as a kid "wtf is he doing?". It just wasnt necessary. As far as his "love life". They shouldnt know he's batman. Again a stupid point.

 

[Hole Shot]

Actually, Fox and rachel deduced that it was him through (obvious) clues. They were never told. You can not find a scene in Begins where Wayne admits to Fox that he is Batman.

Rachel deduced that is was him? She had no clue it was him until he told her to her face by referencing a past conversation.