The Dark Knight Rises Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?

[KalMart]

You sure your IQ's only 150? Don't sell yourself short, now.





Take your time with that one, Einstein.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

What...the hell does all this conspiracy theory ******** have to do with the Chris Nolan Batman series?

 

[Naite22]

This thread is almost irrelevant.... The new batman films (BOTH begins and Dark Knight) is as close as one can come to the perfect superhero movies! They are without a doubt the most stylish superhero franchise out there, so incredibly sure about its own style. the franchise has so much brains, its terrific!

Nothing comes close to beeing better than this franchise (NO, Iron Man can't_touch these here movies!) Change NOTHING, Nolan should just continue doing what he's been doing!

 

[Darknightnomis]

This thread is almost irrelevant.... The new batman films (BOTH begins and Dark Knight) is as close as one can come to the perfect superhero movies! They are without a doubt the most stylish superhero franchise out there, so incredibly sure about its own style. the franchise has so much brains, its terrific!

Nothing comes close to beeing better than this franchise (NO, Iron Man can't_touch these here movies!) Change NOTHING, Nolan should just continue doing what he's been doing!

This comment is too SMART and SENSIBLE for the intraweb.

 

[Travesty]

This comment is too SMART and SENSIBLE for the intraweb.

Sure, if by "smart" you mean "opinion", and if by "sensible" you mean "opinion".

 

[McGraw]

Sure, if by "smart" you mean "opinion", and if by "sensible" you mean "opinion".

Now this comment is too SMART and SENSIBLE for the hype

 

[Naite22]

^ The point is that there are a dozen of superhero franchises out there which are aaaall the same! The new Bat-franchise is so much more! And if a third picture comes around (it WILL), than it's no time for Nolan to change his style! KEEP EM COMING!... He has the golden chance to be the first director EVER to deliever a third superhero picture which completes a beautiful trilogy. Way beyond anything else that superhero movies has delievered to date! Every third chapter of a superhero franchise has more or less sucked (I dont think this is overdoing it). Wether it's Spider-Man 3, X3, Batman Forever, Superman 3, you name it. Nolan has the chance to make the absolute best trilogy (of any kind) since the 70's/80's golden Star Wars movies. So I say - Dont try to be smarter than the master! And Nolan has definitely earned that title by now!

 

[Sentinel X]

^ I agree. THe realism is a trademark of these films....why would you want to get rid of that?

Nolan needs to keep the realism in Batman 3. Thats what makes his franchise so special. The unrealistic Batman films have been done already with Burton's Batman films so just let this guy finish his vision.

Btw, I also think Nolan has a good chance at make the best superhero trilogy of all time. But my goodness, its so sad that we haven't had a great superhero trilogy (with all 3 films concidered good) yet. It ridiculous!
If Nolan were to make a lackluster Batman 3 I would prefer to have no batman 3 at all.

 

[Naite22]

^ You can count on the fact that any third batman picture Chris Nolan will make WONT be any kind of a lackluster!

 

[Zephyr Alexian]

Hi everyone, I was just wondering if the "realism" in this movie series should be atken down a notch. You see, the other day a friend and I got into a debate about what the Riddler's look should be. I wanted the man to have black slacks, a green blazer, and a question mark lapel pin but that would be too "supervillain" for Nolan's films. Also, there's the thing about making the villains "realistic". I've heard a suggestion about Mr. Freeze locking people in a meat locker, which takes away a good amount of appeal to the charcater in my opinion. By the looks of it Batman himself is too unrealistic for these films (a man dresses up as a giant bat and fights criminals...come on). So what do you guys think? How realistic can we go before it becomes too realistic? Can it become too realistic?

You seem like a guy who takes himself too seriously. My diagnosis. You need to lighten up.

Sorry; I just couldn't resist.

Realism in the Batman films is actually a symbiotic relationship with fantasy. Batman is a figment of the imagination, yet people who invest themselves in the film appreciate his reality in that world. The same goes for the villains and the the story arcs. Nolan uses elements within modern reality to heighten the fantasy and further blur the line between "what is" and "what is imagined." If you're not thinking about either/or during the film, he has properly fulfilled his job.

Too realistic? Hmm, the last film was basically Batman in a mature cop-drama where everybody had an angle or at the very least, their character's had a purpose. If TDK is guilty of being too realistic, Tim Burton's first film would almost certainly be guilty of serving as too unrealistic. I do not see either film as such. It was nice to see comic book source material treated like it was worthy of the silver screen. It rarely happens.

Personally, I care less about Nygma's appearance, and more about his story arc and involvement as the villain. Part of a joyful experience to me would be having Nygma as a riddle himself. . .a la . . . not knowing who he is, but seeing his handiwork all over Gotham. Batman's greatest challenge would be to find and capture a villain who allegedly doesn't exist while being pursued as a wanted cop-killing, criminal. The mindset is sort of like one part Kurosawa's internal conflict of 'Seven Samurai', and one part controlled malevolence of Nygma himself when he's finally revealed. Not seeing him, but understanding his impact on the events that are happening could possibly lead to a most memorable climax. . . . especially if someone with an axe to grind (Earle from Begins), hires, say Deadshot, to take out Wayne. If Bruce/Batman had both personas being pursued while having to find someone like Nygma, that would be something that we've never seen before on film.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

The main character is a regular guy who dresses up as a bat at night and has not been killed or arrested yet.

He fights guys dress up like clowns or have half of their face burnt off.

The burnt off guy does not die from massive infections or something else

Batman jumped out of a building, landed on a car, and was totally fine

I'm waiting on this "realism" thing to happen.

 

[Crook]

You could start by looking in the right areas of the films, for one.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

Such as?

 

[Crook]

Character arcs? Design and stylistic choices?

 

[Rasputin911]

The main character is a regular guy who dresses up as a bat at night and has not been killed or arrested yet.

He fights guys dress up like clowns or have half of their face burnt off.

The burnt off guy does not die from massive infections or something else

Batman jumped out of a building, landed on a car, and was totally fine

I'm waiting on this "realism" thing to happen.

best post yet

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

Character arcs? Design and stylistic choices?

Sure, but it's hilarious that people pride these movies on being so realistic and grounded in reality when in certain areas (like my OP) it is not.

 

[KalMart]

The base material itself isn't realistic, but the overall style/approach of the film employs more 'realistic' sensibilities than most if not all other comic-based films. Luckily, the filmmaker is skilled enough to make that work in its favor.

 

[LightningFlash]

Why was this thread even created?

Of course realism has been lightened up a bit...example:

Two-Face.

Do you expect fire to only burn a side of his face?

Even without gasoline, the flames should've at least covered his entire side.

 

[KalMart]

What's more 'realistic'......BB/TDK...or any of the Die Hard movies?

 

[Naite22]

Why was this thread even created?

Of course realism has been lightened up a bit...example:

Two-Face.

Do you expect fire to only burn a side of his face?

Even without gasoline, the flames should've at least covered his entire side.

Huh??? That's the best you can come up with? Besides, only his one side was covered in gasoline so that's the most likely part to get caught on fire... and I think that any person with a slight of brain (aint saying that you dont have any, so dont take offence), would think and believe that batman puts out that fire on his face rather quickly.

 

[Punisher Rising]

As much as I enjoy the new series, the emphasis on realism is annoying to me because (IMHO) it's too restrictive and takes away from Batman's world a bit for me. I'd love to see Man-Bat realized onscreen along with a proper portrayal of Freeze, but with Nolan focusing on making everything realistic, this won't ever happen and I feel the new films are painted in a corner in this sense. The new films can go more into fantasy territory without going overboard and becoming campy, and the more fantastical character just need to be treated with seriousness and respect, something Schumacher didn't have for the villains in his films. As I've said before, I'm all for lightening on the realism while keeping the tone and story serious. By keeping it too real, the series becomes too limited, one-note and boring for my liking. What makes Batman's rogues gallery great in my eyes is how diverse and wide it is, with so many different types of villains, not just basic criminals.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Nolan is bit of an elitist... he has to be absolutely convinced before he does anything....
If his brother John can pen a good script with a fantastical character... then we are good
Then we have Bale who we have to drag on stage and read the script dramatically in front of him without effects or explosions to convince him that it is a good idea (Terminator Salvation)...

 

[Two-Face]

People just love to moan , you just can't win at all.

 

[Punisher Rising]

People just love to moan , you just can't win at all.

That is the undisputed truth. I've seen this same topic all over other forums I'm at and the results are the same :/

 

[jmc]

Nolan is bit of an elitist... he has to be absolutely convinced before he does anything....
If his brother John can pen a good script with a fantastical character... then we are good
Then we have Bale who we have to drag on stage and read the script dramatically in front of him without effects or explosions to convince him that it is a good idea (Terminator Salvation)...

So Nolan wanting to make sure he makes the best possible movie makes him an elitist?