The Dark Knight Rises Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?

[Laderlappen]

Realism shouldnt be lightened up a bit because these movies arent realistic. If it became less realistic, it would become a fantasy-movie.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Yes, the realism should be lightened.


Therefore, the fantasy would become more enlightened.

 

[KalMart]

Nolan should finish out his Batman version how he sees fit, then when they restart it up again later on with a new creative direction, they could push the fantasy stuff more.

 

[Naite22]

Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?..... Uhhh, NO!

It worked wonders in Begins, and they pushed it even further in TDK, and it WORKS!... If it aint broke, dont fix it! Nolan knows what he's doing, and he shouldn't change A THING!

 

[Blaztro]

The way riddler is in the comics is usually pretty realistic. He's a dude with OCD who walks around in purple and green leaving riddles about the crimes he commits is not at all in the realm of the fantastical. It's not like his lips are filled with poison or he can survive only at subzero temperatures.

 

[Batman137]

Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?..... Uhhh, NO!

It worked wonders in Begins, and they pushed it even further in TDK, and it WORKS!... If it aint broke, dont fix it! Nolan knows what he's doing, and he shouldn't change A THING!

agreed

 

[xforce]

Even if Gordon figured it out somehow, it wouldn't be in his best interests to say anything about it to anyone. Batman is his one, true ally, as well as his co-conspirator.

I'm pretty sure Gordon knows. It's obvious from the dialog after he saved Reese with his Lambo.
Both Oldman and Bale are good enough actors to make this scene work on more then one level.

 

[Cosmic]

Sorry, I got the complete opposite impression from that scene. Gordon really doesn't know.

 

[Crook]

Realism shouldnt be lightened up a bit because these movies arent realistic. If it became less realistic, it would become a fantasy-movie.

BB and TDK are....

 

[tekken]

they're obviously documentaries, they're not films.

 

[Naite22]

I've been working my brain to come up with something that could in Batman 3 be even more intense and heart-racing than what was seen and FELT in TDK, and that's ****ing hard to put it mildly!... However, I only know what was intense and heart-racing as hell for ME in TDK especially. And those scenes were where the Joker pulled his ultimatums, and the race against time acured; such as the scene when they're trying to save both Rachel and Harvey from being blown up. And the scenes on the boats at the very end. That's just some, for starters... The way they were beautifuly edited together with the most intense background music I have ever heard was God-like! (can you believe that Nolan wasn't even nominated for best director; WHAT THE ****!!!??) Anyway, if they wanna even try to top that in the next movie, than I think The Riddler's mind and games is the only way to go! Emagine how much more you could build on the intensity with batman solving puzzles and racing against time, as The Riddler sends him off towards impossible missions to be solved in the most exstreme ways! They could make it massive, and build on what really made TDK so heartpounding! Do any of you agree? Or have any other suggestions?

 

[El Payaso]

TDK's realism worked marvelously. Let's keep the Nolan brothers doing what they do the best.

 

[Duneboy]

I absolutely agree w/ you el payaso.

 

[Travesty]

Its not the "realism" that bugs me about Nolans Batman movies, but it was TDKs realistic atmosphere that bugged me. Begins atmosphere was fine, but TDK was just a little to polished/realistic.

I want to SEE the corruption on the streets. I want to FEEL the corruption on the streets. I want Gotham City to look, feel, and act like they need a Mother F'n Bat-Man. TDK looked like the cops were doing a fine job without him. People were walking around at night time, no problem. People were shopping at the local malls at night, no problem. Sure, some cops were corrupt, but most seemed fine. As far as atmosphere goes, I wasn't feeling any threat from the citizens of some crazed terrorist roaming the city. That's what was left out!

 

[The Joker]

I want to SEE the corruption on the streets. I want to FEEL the corruption on the streets. I want Gotham City to look, feel, and act like they need a Mother F'n Bat-Man. TDK looked like the cops were doing a fine job without him. People were walking around at night time, no problem. People were shopping at the local malls at night, no problem. Sure, some cops were corrupt, but most seemed fine.

Ummm, that was the whole point. Batman was making a difference in Gotham. Things had changed since Begins. Batman was inspiring the citizens of Gotham, too. Hence the Batman copy cats. We see criminals unnerved by Batman's presence when they see the Batsignal in the sky.

Joker: " Lets wind the clocks back a year. These cops and lawyers wouldn't have dared cross any of you"

Joker: "I know why you choose to have your little group therapy sessions in broad daylight. I know why you're afraid to go out at night. The Batman. See Batman has shown Gotham your true colours unfortunately"

Batman was very much needed. Could anyone else except Batman have brought Lau back to Gotham, which helped Harvey convict all those criminals?

As far as atmosphere goes, I wasn't feeling any threat from the citizens of some crazed terrorist roaming the city. That's what was left out!

Really? All those angry citizens at Harvey's press conference, the crazed frenzy of trying to kill Reese because Joker was going to blow up a hospital, the mass evacuation of the city etc.

I don't know how you didn't feel it.

 

[Two-Face]

Joker, I agree. I suggest Travesty you watch The Dark Knight again.

 

[Crook]

TDK also portrayed it's corruption on a more subtle level. It was being corrupted from the inside-out, rather than the typical surface depictions of a rotten area.

Also, what exactly does a crime-infested city as big as Gotham, look like? Typically they really don't look that bad in the major areas such as city districts and downtown. It's really the isolated places (like the Narrows) that take the worst hit.

 

[Marx]

Its not the "realism" that bugs me about Nolans Batman movies, but it was TDKs realistic atmosphere that bugged me. Begins atmosphere was fine, but TDK was just a little to polished/realistic.

I want to SEE the corruption on the streets. I want to FEEL the corruption on the streets. I want Gotham City to look, feel, and act like they need a Mother F'n Bat-Man. TDK looked like the cops were doing a fine job without him. People were walking around at night time, no problem. People were shopping at the local malls at night, no problem. Sure, some cops were corrupt, but most seemed fine. As far as atmosphere goes, I wasn't feeling any threat from the citizens of some crazed terrorist roaming the city. That's what was left out!

I think you might need to watch TDK again...

 

[bane]

Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?..... Uhhh, NO!

It worked wonders in Begins, and they pushed it even further in TDK, and it WORKS!... If it aint broke, dont fix it! Nolan knows what he's doing, and he shouldn't change A THING!

^This...Nolan is GOD!

 

[Travesty]

Ummm, that was the whole point. Batman was making a difference in Gotham. Things had changed since Begins. Batman was inspiring the citizens of Gotham, too. Hence the Batman copy cats. We see criminals unnerved by Batman's presence when they see the Batsignal in the sky.

Batman is hope in Gotham, and apparently he cleaned up 90% of Gotham quicker then a team of people could rebuild a mansion, but thats not the point. I know thats how it was in TDK, but the atmosphere didn't scream corruption, chaos, or help from any citizen. Batman's war on crime should be endless, and his work should keep coming in. TDK-Gotham felt like Metropolice, and Batman was just like Superman. There needs to be more corruption, more chaos, more greed, more filth, and Batman's quest needs to be endless. By the end of TDK, I felt like Batman got Joker, Two-Face is dead, and another month of what he was doing before, and Gotham should be sparkling just like it was at the beginning of this movie.

Joker: " Lets wind the clocks back a year. These cops and lawyers wouldn't have dared cross any of you"

Joker: "I know why you choose to have your little group therapy sessions in broad daylight. I know why you're afraid to go out at night. The Batman. See Batman has shown Gotham your true colours unfortunately"

Batman was very much needed. Could anyone else except Batman have brought Lau back to Gotham, which helped Harvey convict all those criminals?

And did you really feel like Gotham and all of its citizens would have been worse off if he didn't? I never felt that once throughout the entire movie.

Really? All those angry citizens at Harvey's press conference, the crazed frenzy of trying to kill Reese because Joker was going to blow up a hospital, the mass evacuation of the city etc.

I don't know how you didn't feel it.

I guess I didn't feel for any of them, cause I just felt like Bruce wanted to take the cape off more then he wanted to be Batman. In Begins, he was the one trying to help Gotham, but in TDK, he was just looking for someone to help out, so he could take the cape off and be happy with his life. Why did he want to take the cape off so badly? To be with Rachel? I thought he had to be a protector of the city, to seek revenge over his parents, and in a sense, apease them in the afterlife. Something that was never once brought up in TDK. So I guess you can say, I felt for Gotham's citizens, as much as I did for Bruces parents in TDK.

 

[Travesty]

Joker, I agree. I suggest Travesty you watch The Dark Knight again.

Hehe, ok, I guess that'll be viewing 30+ for me....

 

[Marx]

Hehe, ok, I guess that'll be viewing 30+ for me....

If you've seen it that many times there is no way that you could have come to the conclusions that you did.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman is hope in Gotham, and apparently he cleaned up 90% of Gotham quicker then a team of people could rebuild a mansion, but thats not the point. I know thats how it was in TDK, but the atmosphere didn't scream corruption, chaos, or help from any citizen. Batman's war on crime should be endless, and his work should keep coming in. TDK-Gotham felt like Metropolice, and Batman was just like Superman. There needs to be more corruption, more chaos, more greed, more filth, and Batman's quest needs to be endless. By the end of TDK, I felt like Batman got Joker, Two-Face is dead, and another month of what he was doing before, and Gotham should be sparkling just like it was at the beginning of this movie.


And did you really feel like Gotham and all of its citizens would have been worse off if he didn't? I never felt that once throughout the entire movie.



I guess I didn't feel for any of them, cause I just felt like Bruce wanted to take the cape off more then he wanted to be Batman. In Begins, he was the one trying to help Gotham, but in TDK, he was just looking for someone to help out, so he could take the cape off and be happy with his life. Why did he want to take the cape off so badly? To be with Rachel? I thought he had to be a protector of the city, to seek revenge over his parents, and in a sense, apease them in the afterlife. Something that was never once brought up in TDK. So I guess you can say, I felt for Gotham's citizens, as much as I did for Bruces parents in TDK.

Batman's quest is endless that's why he took the blame, he knows he can't quit been Batman.

 

[Travesty]

If you've seen it that many times there is no way that you could have come to the conclusions that you did.

So I guess you can say, I felt for Gotham's citizens, as much as I did for Bruces parents in TDK.

And yes, I came to that conclusion based off of my opinion. You felt for Gothams citizens, yet, I really didn't as much as I do in other Batman movies/stories.

 

[Travesty]

Batman's quest is endless that's why he took the blame, he knows he can't quit been Batman.

Yes, I know this, and I'm just talking form a TDK perceptive here. The atmosphere in Begins and TDK are so different, I don't think you can even say they're in the same category.

So should the "realism" be lightened up, as far as atmosphere goes? Yes, and I hope it looks and feels more like Begins.