The Dark Knight Rises Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?

[Mr. Earle]

One sided? Pardon me?
Maybe you guys should have taken part in it instead of commenting like vultures flying over the dead bodies of a battle thats now over.

 

[batman11]

One sided? Pardon me?
Maybe you guys should have taken part in it instead of commenting like vultures flying over the dead bodies of a battle thats now over.

I believe he means that in his opinion, one side of the argument completely dominated in terms of his personal agreement. Maybe. At least I thought that's what one-sided meant. Perhaps I'm wrong. t:

 

[IBRAH08]

Actually it's hilarious because it isn't a good debate, it's absurdly one sided.

WHy you gotta be like that?

 

[Chris Wallace]

My biggest concern with the "realism" mentality is that I fear it will infect other franchises outside of Batman-more than it already has.

 

[Mr. Earle]

My biggest concern with the "realism" mentality is that I fear it will infect other franchises outside of Batman-more than it already has.

I have the same fear. Realism + Darkness.

 

[akfj]

My biggest concern with the "realism" mentality is that I fear it will infect other franchises outside of Batman-more than it already has.

It actually started with the X-Men movies, and somewhat with the Spider-Man movies. The X-Men movies had toned-down costumes, and when they got to Phoenix there were no Shi'ar involved. Spider-Man had an armored Green Goblin, and in the third one a ninja-Goblin.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It started in the OLD Batman movies actually.

 

[Crook]

Actually, it started way back when movies sought out to stray from the mentality that audiences were too stupid to ask questions.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's not about asking questions. It's about whether they let those questions interfere with their enjoyment of the movie.

 

[Crook]

I know your intent was not malicious, but just know that statement is a huge slap in the face to the art of storytelling.

 

[weezerspider]

I know your intent was not malicious, but just know that statement is a huge slap in the face to the art of storytelling.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I put "realism" in quotes, as did the title of this thread. It's not plausible elements that bother me. It's the sacrifices to the source material that are made in the name of what the filmmakers argue is plausible.

 

[jmc]

What sacrifices? If you don't agree with a particular interpretation that's fine, I hate Batman and Robin with a passion, but I as much as I hate that movie I have to acknowledge it's actually pretty damn loyal to the Batman source material.

 

[Anita18]

I put "realism" in quotes, as did the title of this thread. It's not plausible elements that bother me. It's the sacrifices to the source material that are made in the name of what the filmmakers argue is plausible.

And what your (and Mr. Earle's) assertions are is that TDK should have been a completely different movie in order to cater to that opinion. Which is why it's so difficult to have a real discussion about "realism" when it comes to BB and TDK, which have already been made and whose adherence to a certain atmosphere of plausibility was necessary for their stories and their very filmmaking approach.

I don't think anyone's arguing that Batman movies shouldn't be more fantastical once Nolan is done.

 

[IBRAH08]

What sacrifices? If you don't agree with a particular interpretation that's fine, I hate Batman and Robin with a passion, but I as much as I hate that movie I have to acknowledge it's actually pretty damn loyal to the Batman source material.

I wouldn't say B&R is any closer to the source material than any of the other films, maybe less in some cases.

 

[jmc]

Ivy and Freezes stories are spot on in that film, hell even Bane's origins are covered pretty much as they on the page, on top of that the film's campiness hearkens back to the tone of the 60's show and comics of that era. I'd argue B&R ranks just behind both BB and TDK in terms of being loyal to the mythology, in spite of how bad it is.

 

[Anubis]

WTF are you talking about? They didn't get Bane right at all.

 

[returntovoid]

It actually started with the X-Men movies, and somewhat with the Spider-Man movies. The X-Men movies had toned-down costumes, and when they got to Phoenix there were no Shi'ar involved. Spider-Man had an armored Green Goblin, and in the third one a ninja-Goblin.

I agree.

The Spiderman films were too serious, lacked the light-heartedness of the comics and to be honest, armored Green Goblin looked more ******ed than the actual Goblin transformation of the comics.

What's so difficult to have him look like a actual Goblin when LOTR get's the Orcs right and those Goblins in the first Potter film???

Bryan Singer toned down the fantasy elements of X-Men quite a bit, he hesitated to show their powers claiming to keeping them subtle and made it more of science-fiction than fantasy.

When you go to the X-Men boards and say that the reboot should be more fantasy??? Some say, I hate that stuff in the comics.

It started in the OLD Batman movies actually.

I highly disagree.

The Tim Burton Batman films didn't push the realism off limits, they made Batman's Batsuit armored/black and that's about it. The things that people thought were supernatural in Batman Returns, were not supernatural at all.

So, I thought the realism and fantasy was well balanced out.

As for the Schumacher films, I wont even bother defending them.

 

[jmc]

WTF are you talking about? They didn't get Bane right at all.

Never said they did, I said the origin was more or less covered, the whole turning him into a super soldier thing with experimental drugs, in that sense, it's still faithful to the source, just interpreted poorly.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I agree.

The Spiderman films were too serious, lacked the light-heartedness of the comics and to be honest, armored Green Goblin looked more ******ed than the actual Goblin transformation of the comics.

What's so difficult to have him look like a actual Goblin when LOTR get's the Orcs right and those Goblins in the first Potter film???

I think Osborn is wearing a mask in the comics. He's not an actual goblin is he?

 

[The Joker]

The Spiderman films were too serious, lacked the light-heartedness of the comics

Are you kidding? The Spider-Man movies were crammed with cheesy light heartedness.

Peter Parker was a walking goofball who had every kind of comedic mishap, from struggling with a broom closet full of mops, to always missing the last hor dourve on the tray, to tripping over his own feet walking along with the 'Raindrops keep falling on my head' song, to pulling his fringe down and strutting down the street when he was supposed to be under the influence of an evil symbiote, to street performers singing Spider-Man songs, to J. Jonah Jameson providing great OTT humor etc.

Even the villains were all just misguided souls, who were not inherently evil, save for maybe Venom, who was on screen for such short a time you can barely register him as a character.

I love Spider-Man 1 and 2, but they were were filled with light hearted stuff. Spider-Man 3 was just an all out cheese fest with an emo fringe. My problem was that they were not serious enough.

 

[The Joker]

I thought Osborn is wearing a mask in the comics. He's not an actual goblin is he?

He does wear a mask in the comics. He wears a costume, just like in the movie. The only problem was that the costume they used in the movie looked like something out of the Power Rangers.

 

[El Payaso]

The Spiderman films were too serious, lacked the light-heartedness of the comics and to be honest, armored Green Goblin looked more ******ed than the actual Goblin transformation of the comics.

I'd say Raimi's Spiderman movies were more like high-budgeted cheesey teenager comedies.

 

[returntovoid]

I'd say Raimi's Spiderman movies were more like high-budgeted cheesey teenager comedies.

A tone like John Favreau's Iron Man would have been better.

But enough of this Spidey talk, I never liked the character/his world and let's get back to the Batman topic.

 

[Chris Wallace]

WHy is it so impossible for people to discuss Batman without attacking Spidey?