Should Rogue be sent packing?

[flavio_lebeau]

she'll get her powers back anyways, so im not really worried

 

[choki]

talking abt Xavier...
now none of them would know he has returned, this time in an different body, but retaining his conscious and powers. Would he be able to tell if Rogue has left the mansion? I'm sure he would be worried abt the X men and students.

If Rogue decides to leave the mansion and wanders off by her own, would Xavier show up in front of her as a new friend, teaching her abt some valuable life lessons? Hoho

 

[Chris Wallace]

Oh, come. on.
Are you serious??

Not completely.
Look, Rogue's reasons for what she did are valid & totally understandable. That said, so are Magneto's. Or a guy who robs a bank because his kids are starving. Having good reasons doesn't make your choice right.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm with Mothling on this. Her actions were justified... enough said.

No. Her motives were justified. And truth be told, the basis of my argument isn't whether her actions were right or wrong. It's about whether or not she still has a place among the X-Men, & I say she doesn't. Being asked to leave the school isn't necessarily a punishment for her. But it's like taking a job & no longer being able or willing to perform that job. Should the company keep you on?

 

[ljr]

I think she'll leave,cause she wants to,then come back when her powers do.

 

[ico]

Wallace; I can see your point on whether or not she falls within the boundries of who belongs there or not, because quite simply, she doesn't belong there anymore.
The point I was trying to make though, is that whether or not she belongs there in the strictest sense doesn't really matter, because there are people there who she has made bonds with, and become almost like family. She shouldn't have to sever all these ties simply because she does not meet the requiements of the purpose of the school.

 

[ljr]

Exactly their the only family she has their not gonna say your a traitor get out,plus i'm sure bobby would want her to stay around so he can finally get his hands onher.Like I said I think it will be her who will choose to leave,cause I think she'll feel a little guilty even though it was the right decision for her.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I think she'll leave,cause she wants to,then come back when her powers do.

If they do. We don't know whose powers will return & whose won't. There are so many theories about it. And even if they do, & she comes back to the school, I'm still not so sure she should or could ever be an X-Man. Would you wanna trust your life to somebody who didn't want to be there?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Wallace; I can see your point on whether or not she falls within the boundries of who belongs there or not, because quite simply, she doesn't belong there anymore.
The point I was trying to make though, is that whether or not she belongs there in the strictest sense doesn't really matter, because there are people there who she has made bonds with, and become almost like family. She shouldn't have to sever all these ties simply because she does not meet the requiements of the purpose of the school.

Maybe she shouldn't have to sever those ties. But then again, maybe she should want to.
And I maintain, those bonds weren't strong enough to stop her from saying "I don't want to be this way anymore".

 

[ico]

Would you wanna trust your life to somebody who didn't want to be there?

I say, if you don't like it, then get off your ass and fight for yourself instead of expecting people like Rogue of all people to do the fighting for you.

 

[ico]

Maybe she shouldn't have to sever those ties. But then again, maybe she should want to.
And I maintain, those bonds weren't strong enough to stop her from saying "I don't want to be this way anymore".

I'm pretty sure she bonded with them simply because of who they are, not what that are.
It's just like saying a black person would form a bond with another black person, and part of their bond is because they're both black....

 

[Chris Wallace]

It often is. Blacks are still regarded as an underclass in this country, as are most "minorities". Being part of the same struggle has a lot to do with bringing 2 people together.
And before you belittle that remark, I feel compelled to point out to you that I, myself, am black.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I say, if you don't like it, then get off your ass and fight for yourself instead of expecting people like Rogue of all people to do the fighting for you.

Okay-that's just goofy.

 

[ljr]

It's not fair to say she's untrustworthy,she made a choice.When she's comes back she'll be a mutant again,now they trusted her before and I don't know why they wouldn't trust her now.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Because when an opportunity for an easy out came along, she took it & didn't look back. That's not what a superhero does. And by doing so, she made it clear that she wanted no psrt of this struggle.

 

[ico]

It often is. Blacks are still regarded as an underclass in this country, as are most "minorities". Being part of the same struggle has a lot to do with bringing 2 people together.
And before you belittle that remark, I feel compelled to point out to you that I, myself, am black.

I myself am part of a minority, I am a gay man, and I don't feel that part of my bond with any of my gay friends is to do with them being gay. I have straight friends who I have bonded closer with.
That remark just doesn't hold much water with me.

 

[ico]

Okay-that's just goofy.

Actually, I don't think it is.
They are all mutants in that school, and Rogue chose to be a part of the team, fighting for them, when a ton of them ain't. To sit there and complain about "oh, i dont trust my life with her" is just such a horrible thing to say basically. She risks her life fighting for you, who basically doesn't fight, and you would give her catty remarks.

 

[Chris Wallace]

How is she fighting for ME when she doesn't even exist? What the hell are you talking about? Have you confused fantasy with reality? Do you need to take a trip out to California & make sure the Golden Gate bridge is still there? Or check the Statue of Liberty for a big gaping hole in her head? That statement makes no sense whatsoever. And the point is she DOESN'T fight! At all! For anyone! She chose NOT to be a part of the team & took the easy way out. I am saying that the X-Men, the ones who DID stay & fight when they could've taken the same easy out, might have a problem depending on her in battle.
And for the record, I have served 4 years in the Marines so don't give me that "get up off your @$$" nonsense.

 

[ico]

I was talking metaphoricly, as if we were in that universe, much as you have been for this debate! ???

And no matter how you try and twist it, she did join the team and fight for the other mutants, whether she was comfortable with herself or not.

Ultimately you always seem to miss the final point in this whole thing. When it comes down to her, she feels she made the right decision. Imagine all your friends could summon the forces of nature, and move things with their mind, etc, whereas you could never touch somebody because if you did, they would more than lilekly end up in a coma or die. Would you be so proud? Doubt it...

 

[Chris Wallace]

She has never fought beside the X-Men, if you want to get technical. And now she probably never will.
And again, you seem to keep missing the point. I don't view her possible dismissal from the school as a punishment for her actions, because in the strictest sense she did nothing wrong. From a certain point of view she did, but that's not the point here. Above all, she needs to move on, & not live like a mutant, as she has chosen to no longer live as a mutant.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's even conceivable that she could still have something to offer the outside world, as a young woman who has lived both as a mutant and as a human. Something she could teach others. But what she cannot be is an X-man.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I'm sure this has already been said... but you know if they keep the same characters in X4 one of the first scenes will be like making out with Bobby when Bobby feels the affects once again of kissing her... it's inevitable

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I'm sure this has already been said... but you know if they keep the same characters in X4 one of the first scenes will be like making out with Bobby when Bobby feels the affects once again of kissing her... it's inevitable

i wish they could surprise us. That scene is like wishing the Phoenix rising scene in the beggining of X3. OPS the Phoenix rising scene wasnt in X3 (*****ers) so there's still hope

 

[Chris Wallace]

I myself am part of a minority, I am a gay man, and I don't feel that part of my bond with any of my gay friends is to do with them being gay. I have straight friends who I have bonded closer with.
That remark just doesn't hold much water with me.

Not to suggest that gays aren't discriminated against, but PLEASE do not try to compare being gay w/being black. I don't think gays came into this country in chains, were bought & sold as property, or have ever routinely been gunned down by cops for sport. It's simply not the same.
I will, however, say this. I think it's total bull$#!^ that you guys can't get married, & I want you to pass this on to your gay brethren. Because you all don't get it. You're losing the fight b/c you're taking the wrong approach. Marriage is a form of expression. The ceremony is a ritual. The ring is a symbol. That's all it is. When you take your vows you are expressing your commitment to that other person. Wearing the ring symbolizes that same commitment. So allow those facts to wash over you for a second, then ponder this: Those who oppose gay marriage do so for no other reason than that it personally offends them. When you seek to outlaw that which offends you, that is called-say it with me-CENSORHIP. And that is the sole reason why it is wrong.
Think about it.

 

[ico]

Not to suggest that gays aren't discriminated against, but PLEASE do not try to compare being gay w/being black. I don't think gays came into this country in chains, were bought & sold as property, or have ever routinely been gunned down by cops for sport. It's simply not the same.
I will, however, say this. I think it's total bull$#!^ that you guys can't get married, & I want you to pass this on to your gay brethren. Because you all don't get it. You're losing the fight b/c you're taking the wrong approach. Marriage is a form of expression. The ceremony is a ritual. The ring is a symbol. That's all it is. When you take your vows you are expressing your commitment to that other person. Wearing the ring symbolizes that same commitment. So allow those facts to wash over you for a second, then ponder this: Those who oppose gay marriage do so for no other reason than that it personally offends them. When you seek to outlaw that which offends you, that is called-say it with me-CENSORHIP. And that is the sole reason why it is wrong.
Think about it.

Kinda off topic, but on the news as I type this there is a story of a gay man who has been brutally murdered, as they said, and I quote "murdered like an animal."

I will admit that black people have long been treated appalingly in the past, but it seems society is really beginning to accept black people, as far as I am aware, whereas gay people are still quite taboo.


Wow. I had no idea this thread was getting so off topic!
Wallace; decent debate we've had. It seems as though we really have met eachother in the middle on this. We both agree that she doesn't need to be in the school nor does she truly have a place there anymore, but shouldn't be forced to leave, prematurely at least, as she is sure to leave herself I would think.

PS: I agree with you about the marriage thing, preaching to the choir. I have always thought that anyway. I for one am not so active in making it legal for me to show my love for another person in the eyes of a God who apparently is homophobic.