Should Rogue be sent packing?

[Chris Wallace]

I'm just concerned about you having the option, dude. I'm married & I love it. I want the same for everyone.

 

[ico]

Yeah I do think gay people should be able to marry if they like, but I personally, I know I won't want to, not a christian marriage at least.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I didn't bring up the Biblical aspect of it because it's very hypocritical. The average straight person doesn't go to church as often as he/she should, has broken at least 5 commandments over the course of his/her life, & is unlikely to remain a virgin until marriage. But then we use God to justify our homophobia. Like we pick & choose when to follow Him. And none of us know hs plan but we all try to tell you what it is.

 

[ico]

That is so true. Brilliant point you have there, I never thought about it like that.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Hard to believe that only a few posts ago we were practically at each other's throats, huh? Middle ground is a wonderful thing.
And yet, we seem to have found it largely due to our both being oppressed minorities. So there is some merit to my statement.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Or maybe you just thought I was unwilling or unable to see your-and Rogue's point of view.

 

[ico]

Yeah it's strange. I guess together we have just proven your point of two oppressed people can bond them in some way shape or form.

Though I did think that you were unwilling to see Rogue's point of view, but you cleared that up so yeah. I'm fine with it all now.

Beside's it's only an online debate. I enjoy debating.

 

[Chris Wallace]

A debate is only worthwhile if there is validity on both sides, like here.

 

[micky-fox]

A debate is only worthwhile if there is validity on both sides, like here.

Well said.

This topic is definitely valid on both sides.

 

[Spirit4ever]

in which way........... he may be perminetly limp after that........


I mean his hole body........lol

PERVERTS!!!

This was quite clever. It had me LMAO! And I can't believe this is my first post here, but oh wells. I'm a perfectly healthy adult woman here who can appreciate a little slice of humor, however vulgar it may be!

I don't think they'll kick her out, but perhaps use Rogue as a tool to gather more tolerance to mutants from the humans, perhaps shaper her up in a life as a politician, much like Beast. Xavier's school would benefit more from her staying and continuing her education, and spreading humanity around the world, then it would be to risk a huge back lash from Rogue.

Someone also stated that Wolverine would shy from her because he refers to her as Rogue. In the beginning, they exchanged their given names. I think they were connected by a force more bigger than mere mutation powers. It's a friendship that will endure the ages.

And hi, my name is Spirit4ever, I hope to get to know all the superhero fanatatics on this board.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I actually thought about her going the political route; there may be some merit to the idea, whether her powers return or not.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I didn't bring up the Biblical aspect of it because it's very hypocritical. The average straight person doesn't go to church as often as he/she should, has broken at least 5 commandments over the course of his/her life, & is unlikely to remain a virgin until marriage. But then we use God to justify our homophobia. Like we pick & choose when to follow Him. And none of us know hs plan but we all try to tell you what it is.

I don't directly disagree with you, but I do disagree with how your post 'sounds'... The biblical aspect is not in and of itself hypocritical, just how SOME people use it is hypocritical. The aspect of Sin is a very moral and respectable concept. But you are right, the way some use it is quite hypocritical.

As a whole, I think a lot of the homo-phobia stems from the fear that someone will be FORCED to accept something they vehemently don't want to. Unfortunately, said person doesn't have the vision to see that they are the ones in turn FORCING someone to not be accepted. Either way, I think the key in resolving such a dispute is both sides being made to feel or realize that the other will not be 'infringing' on eithers way of life in any way.

It needs to be noted that this fear is what escalates into violence, and hatred, this happens regardless of the issue (sexual orientation, sex class, nationality, and any other of the million ways we divide ourselves).

I don't think it should be ILLEGAL for homosexuals to have a UNION. But I also don't think the law should try to force the church to accept this UNION as marriage. I think here in lies where people could find some common ground.

 

[Chris Wallace]

1-I didn't mean that the Biblical side of the argument was hypocritical, but rather, as you said, that its use is.
2-I don't want the law to FORCE anything on the church. One of the very principles that our country was supposedly founded upon clearly states that it can't do that. Rather, I think the law should pretty much stay out of it & let the churches regulate themselves. If, however, you have 2 gay atheists or 2 who just don't wanna deal w/the church for whatever reason, they should be allowed to go to City Hall & enjoy all the benefits of a legal marriage. To deny them this, again, is censorship.

 

[MaleRogue]

Rogue and Bobby should stay together....
I like those two together better than Gambit and Rogue... this is a cute couple...Anna and Shawn should get together

 

[Angry Sentinel]

1-I didn't mean that the Biblical side of the argument was hypocritical, but rather, as you said, that its use is.
2-I don't want the law to FORCE anyhting on the church. One of the very principles that our country was supposedly founded upon clearly states that it can't do that. Rather, I think the law should pretty much stay out of it & let the churches regulate themselves. If, however, you have 2 gay atheists or 2 who just don't wanna deal w/the church for whatever reason, they should be allowed to go to City Hall & enjoy all the benefits of a legal marriage. To deny them this, again, is censorship.

Totally agree, I didn't think you meant either of those things, but as I alluded to, it could have been perceived as 'sounding' that way. And I think we both know that's all it takes for someone to get offended. And here's something else I really liked about what you said...

And none of us know hs plan but we all try to tell you what it is.

... One thing we know for certain is that no-where in the study of these religions do they advocate the FORCING of people to follow the belief. Example after example can be found in the bible alone, of how 'God' frowns miserably on all the 'warring' done over religion. And most religious documentation seriously advocate CHOICE.. so If 'God' doesn't force anyone, why would any individual think they should try to make someone follow any particular moral belief?

It's really sad once you really start dissecting the whole dynamic.

 

[cardslinger]

Rogue and Bobby should stay together....
I like those two together better than Gambit and Rogue... this is a cute couple...Anna and Shawn should get together

I can't say that I agree with you. I havn't been a fan of the Rogue/Bobby relationship in the movies. I just don't see the chemistry. Gambit and Rogue belong together IMHO. However, I don't want Rogue and Gambit to jump into a relationship once he is introduced. Rogue and Iceman should break up and Rogue should be single for a while. Maybe hinting at an atraction between Rogue and Gambit. It shouldn't be acted on untill the next movie though.
Obviously, I think Rogue should stay at the mantion. Her powers should slowly come back and we should see how she deals with them. She needs to become more like her comic book self.

 

[RaisingStorm]

She can stay there and cook for the kids and clean the mansion, being that she is not mutant no more there is no excuse for her to be there...LOL j/k
I'm kinda conflicted, but is obvious that she is already a friend, and was part of the team, so she is close to everyone in the mansion, so I think it would be kind of ok if she stayed, I dont want to justify the fact she took the cure, but I dont think she took it because she wanted to be someone else, the message I got from this was a confused kid that feels that she doesnt belong so she Turned to a "Drug" to feel better about herself or to find herself, wich is very true in our reality, I dont see it as she selling out or giving the wrong message to the children, I see it as, she was confused, scared, lonely, and felt like she didnt belong, just like a lot of our kids fell nowdays and they turn to drugs as an outlet, The thing with Rogue is that (in the movie) she is not old enough and she is not experienced enough like to see the bright side of her being a mutant, even a gay guy at some point feeels like "is there something wrong with me?" when they first start having feelings for men, I think thats the stage were Rogue was at, and we Shall see in the Next movie how she will grow out of it.

 

[Baredevil]

This is really an interesting thread, isn't it? My initial opinion was that, strictly speaking, since Rogue isn't a mutant anymore, she shouldn't be in an academy specifically established for mutants.

Having said that, I do agree, however, that it would be hypocritical of the X-Family to simply toss her out on her undoubtedly fine a$$, simply because she made a possibly agonizing choice to get herself de-mutanized.

I think that since the X-Men have had non-mutant allies, anyway (Dr. Moira McTaggert, among others), the demutanized Rogue could stay on. And maybe not just to cook and clean

 

[Chris Wallace]

Totally agree, I didn't think you meant either of those things, but as I alluded to, it could have been perceived as 'sounding' that way. And I think we both know that's all it takes for someone to get offended. And here's something else I really liked about what you said...

... One thing we know for certain is that no-where in the study of these religions do they advocate the FORCING of people to follow the belief. Example after example can be found in the bible alone, of how 'God' frowns miserably on all the 'warring' done over religion. And most religious documentation seriously advocate CHOICE.. so If 'God' doesn't force anyone, why would any individual think they should try to make someone follow any particular moral belief? It's really sad once you really start dissecting the whole dynamic.

I really like your 1st paragraph; it's like you're protecting my post from misinterpretation.As for your second, it's because it's in our nature to try to control everything; including an omnipotent being who created an entire multiverse with but a whim. So while we're told He made us in His image, we're constantly trying to remake Him as we see fit.
Now truth be told, I don't agree with homosexuality. But I disagree much more strongly w/the idea of trying to force one's views upon another. "V For Vendetta" scared me a little bit; made me think if the government starts regulating what people do in their own homes we're all in trouble.People have the right to do things that I don't agree with. Maybe if I lived in the Marvel Universe I would feel that a person shouldn't have the ability to make ice or whip up a tornado or any of 1,000 other things that these mutants can do which would level entire cities. But if such people existed, I'd like to think I would want them to have the right to live their lives w/o being hunted down & persecuted for what they are.

 

[_BB_]

so...rogue eh?

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I really like your 1st paragraph; it's like you're protecting my post from misinterpretation.As for your second, it's because it's in our nature to try to control everything; including an omnipotent being who created an entire multiverse with but a whim. So while we're told He made us in His image, we're constantly trying to remake Him as we see fit.
Now truth be told, I don't agree with homosexuality. But I disagree much more strongly w/the idea of trying to force one's views upon another. "V For Vendetta" scared me a little bit; made me think if the government starts regulating what people do in their own homes we're all in trouble.People have the right to do things that I don't agree with. Maybe if I lived in the Marvel Universe I would feel that a person shouldn't have the ability to make ice or whip up a tornado or any of 1,000 other things that these mutants can do which would level entire cities. But if such people existed, I'd like to think I would want them to have the right to live their lives w/o being hunted down & persecuted for what they are.

Oh yes, again we totally agree!

so...rogue eh?

LOL, Sorry BB, we are actually having the discussion about Rogue, we were just using a religious theme to elaborate on our opinions...

The Xmansion is more than a school, mutant training facility; it's a home. In that respect it's obviously the place Rogue currently calls home. If this is all true then by all reasonings she would/should not be kicked (Forced) out of her home. However, just like most 'homes' she will probably choose to leave once she realizes how much it' isn't her 'home' anymore. And concurrently she definitely would not be able to be a part of some of the things she was afforded when she was an Xman, seeing as her choice directly affects her status as a member of the team (choosing not to fight with them and going to get the cure).

 

[Baredevil]

Then again, on second thought, it would be nicer if she left, because then she could come across Mystique (now Raven Darkholme and ostensibly working for the government but secretly having her own agenda of revenge against Magneto), who takes her under her wing and poisons her mind against the X-Men.

Yes, I'm hallucinating.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Yes, I'm hallucinating.

As long as you're aware.

 

[cardslinger]

Perhaps she leaves, but comes back when her powers resurface. When she comes back she has new powers aswell, but she won't tell anyone how she got them. She could be ashamed of what she did, as accidental as it may have been. It could later be explained that she was touching someone (perhaps shaking their hand) when her powers kicked back in at such a strong burst, that she couldn't let go. She killed the person and took on their powers perminently.
I suppose I'm also hallucinating.

 

[_BB_]

In these movies, Rogue was never kicked out of her real home, she left of her own accord so technically, she does have a place to go if she left. Her mother looked in the first movie like she wanted to comfort her after what happened but rogue flipped.

The school is for mutants only for a reason, they are young kids with amazing powers who are a danger to themselves and others. They are there to learn to control themselves while at the same time get a decent education which would not be possible for many if they were not at the mansion. There are many mutants who would need Rogues place at the school now more than she does, she doesnt need to learn control, she's capable of living a normal life with her family who would have welcomed her back considering her mother was supposed to have made an appearance in the film.

This is a bad analogy but in context of the real world it would be like a disabled child going to a special school but then being cured of their disability, there is no need for them to go to that special school anymore where the education is catered for their needs because they can finally go to a public school to focus primarily on their education