You are the one who needs to come.on Guard, IMO you are giving the writers, who have written numerous poor movies, far too much credit. I dont think they forgot what level of power she was at all, but they did make Wolverine godlike just so Wolverine could save the day, I see no indication if DP holding back in this scene, non at all.
The writers' previous films really have no bearing on the content of X3. Don't create straw arguments. Nevermind that even their crappy other films had proper structure, which tends to suggest that THE LAST STAND would have as well, and that they would not just have "forgotten" how to write structure and wrap up their main two characters' arcs in the last scene of the biggest movie they've ever written.
So...Wolverine doing what he's always done...healing from wounds...is suddenly godlike? By the way. He healed that quickly in the beginning of X3, in the Danger Room, too.
You've been told in detail why it's clear that Dark Phoenix is holding back. Stop just thinking "I hate X3" and ignoring the obvious.
Look how FAST Dark Phoenix vaporizes the soldiers, almost instantly. The buildings. The vehicles.
But she suddenly she's just able to vaporize Logan's skin slowly? In little pieces?
And you think she's at full power, and not holding back? Are you KIDDING me?
She is OBVIOUSLY not operating at full power while attacking Wolverine. Ergo...she is, in fact, either holding back or weakening. Either one of these means one thing: JEAN IS FIGHTING FOR CONTROL.
Sorry, but I see no conflict, I see DP trying to blow Logan to high heaven, and getting frustrated at the fact she isnt able to do so, Jean isnt in the scene until the Logan says "For you" which is another thing that makes me laugh seeing as Logan was the one who told Scott "maybe its time we all move on" earlier, some love that is.
But again, Jean isnt in the scene until Logan utters those words and THEN, you see a change come over, but not before i'm afraid.
You're not GOING to see a major change in CHARACTER until the very end. Dark Phoenix is in control until then, at least in some control, because again, suddenly she's struggling to blow apart a person. But you do see Dark Phoenix struggling as the scene progresses. Now, why do you think Dark Phoenix would ever struggle? To destroy some skin? Really? You think it just takes THAT much effort for her to destroy a few patches of skin, when she was vaporizing dozens of people just moments before?
Or you think perhaps, just perhaps, it takes that much effort because Jean, who is still there, doesn't want Dark Phoenix to blow Logan to pieces, or to strip his skeleton and flesh from the feet up as she did to everyone else in the area?
Sorry, but no, its no indication at all except the film-makers were clueless and used a deus ex machina in making Wolverine godlike to save the day. Not saying the other movies didnt use such things, but they used them so much better than at the end of X3 it is unbelievable.
I'll be honest...I hardly even know what this sentence means. It just sounds like you being bitter. Not only because you just...sound bitter, but because you're being illogical, and apparently don't understand what a Deux Ex Machina actually is.
Wolverine's healing abilities aren't a Deux Ex Machine, because they aren't new. They've been there since the beginning of the franchise. Him healing quickly isn't new either. And reaching someone emotionally, especially when an emotional arc exists within the film and previous films between two characters isn't a Deaux Ex Machina element, either. A Deux Ex Machina is something that appears out of the blue, without previously having been set up as an important element in a story. You can't say that about Wolverine's healing ability, or his connection to Jean/Dark Phoenix.
Right after she opens up his chest, etc, that's the biggest moment of conflict you see from her. She sees he's still coming, and that he's not going to stop. And you're right, she starts visibly trembling, and there are flashes of recognition, etc. And this is the giveaway. She starts trembling. Not just her face, or head, but her whole form tenses up, and it starts actually looking like she has to exert some effort, where before she looked pretty damn relaxed and confident in what she was doing.
She's not trembling because it takes Dark Phoenix a ton of effort to destroy ****. That can't be it, because she HASN'T had to exert much effort before, as the film SHOWS you that. She's trembling because she's emotionally affected by what is happening. Frustrated. Curious. Whatever way you slice it, there is conflict there within Dark Phoenix.
And she's also, instead of ignoring him and what he's saying, as she was in the moments prior, registering everything he says, not just as Dark Phoenix, but deep down, as Jean. She takes less and less of him apart as he gets close to her. I.E, she is weakening. Now WHY would Dark Phoenix be weakening, I wonder?
Nevermind that the fact that Jean DOES come back essentially proves she was fighting Dark Phoenix. Or how else would she surface to begin with?
Seeing as most people despise the scene because Logan IS made into an unkillable God and is the hero again. Once again, I see no Jean in the scene until Logan says "For you" (which again as I pointed out above, I found ridiculous anyway considering his earlier comments), that is the very first time in the scene that Jean appears. The fact that you are saying its not the most clear or well handled aspect SHOWS that the scene was poorly written and poorly executed, especially if they were going for what you suggest they were.
Not being perfectly executed does not make something "poor", either in execution or the writing of it. It just means it could have been handled better. A lot of things could be handled better.
Exactly, at the end of the day Guard can go on and on about how "FREAKING obvious" his observations are, yet its FREAKING obvious to me that Jean isnt holding back in that scene, as I have pointed out, you see DP VISIBLY straining in one scene just before the majority of Logan's front chest is blown off, sorry but that isnt holding back or 'toying' with someone, and thats FREAKING obvious to me.
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What in God's name do you think she's visibly straining to do? Blow a few pieces of skin off someone?
You did see her disintigrating entire buildings, people and vehicle in moments, right?
So now she has trouble with skin cells?
You're looking right at it and not seeing it. You're just assuming that writers who developed a particular character arc throughout the entire film, instead of presenting the payoff to that arc, just decided to SUCK at structuring a story, because that's what you want to believe. It's kind of sad, really, because the logic of the moment is fairly obvious.
I watched X2 tonight and it is still an amazing movie, its just so dissapointing what followed it.
