The Dark Knight Rises Should the Nolanverse Continue After Batman III?

[regwec]

I always find it funny when people want a comic book world on film.

No, you just mistakenly think that you have scored some immeasurably small grammatical victory, about which only you are aware or interested. There is humour in the situation, but not as you know it.

 

[KalMart]

If it aint broke don't fix it

If you're building something new...use new parts.

 

[regwec]

Edit, double snotty post.

 

[IBRAH08]

Edit, double snotty post.

it's OK it was well taken

 

[IBRAH08]

I don't, mainly because more often than not the stories in the Batman comics ARE crime dramas...

Nej, they are split pretty 50-50 and regardless of that the term stands.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Depends on how the third movie ends.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Yeah I believe he said it would be an end to the story, is there a sequel to star wars?

sarcasm, no, but there is a comic book, i personally wouldnt mind a comic set in a very real batman universe(nolans).

 

[Texas Zombie]

Yeah I believe he said it would be an end to the story, is there a sequel to star wars?

sarcasm, no, but there is a comic book, i personally wouldnt mind a comic set in a very real batman universe(nolans).

 

[Doc Samson]

I really don't think it'll take them out if there's ample space between them, and they actually like what they're seeing. Again, I don't think that audiences are looking to 'live' with the character/saga for 20-something years of their life or what have you, nor should they be have to get the 'full story' from movies that were from the last decade, either. Whether or not the last Batman movies before BB ended well, they picked up on BB and TDK pretty smoothly, and they'll be just as fine starting with another version down the road if that's what happens. And honestly, if some of it seems redundant to you, there's a whole new generation of moviegoers that'll be more than eager to take it as it comes. So personal preferences aside, the option of starting should absolutely be as equal an option as continuing.

I feel this really comes down to the characters themselves. Certain characters only work one way, in comics or film. Superman, for instance, doesn't have a whole lot of flexibility when it comes to his interpretation, at least in terms of success to the fans AND the general public, which is what making movies on superheroes is about. So even though Donner's film is decades old, redoing it serves no real purpose, as any movie going forward will be depicting him in a similar way.

Spiderman I think falls into that category as well. Almost everytime they try something drastically different with him it doesn't work so good. If they decide to focus just on his school years without rehashing his origin all over again, it could still work. Possibly.

Batman on the other hand has had very successful interpretations that have been vastly different. As much as people may hate to admit it, goofy super-light Batman was a viable characterization at one time. Likewise if they want to make a film with him carrying a gun, at least technically, it would still be faithful to his earliest years. With Nolan, I think he's had success by taking the best of what works and using it to create his own thing. His own thing. In the future, I think it would be a mistake to try to duplicate what he's done unless he has some form of involvement.

However, I also feel that certain aspects have been nailed down to the point of overkill if it were to be retold. I don't think it matters what direction they want to go, his origin has been told in a very distinct way that would be almost impossible to improve on. Being a Hulk fan, even after two films, they still haven't completely nailed the character IMO, so in 10 or 25 years if they decide for another set of movies, they absolutely should redo everything, they still have the room to do that, to get it right. For Batman, Superman, Spidey & Ironman, that room has been taken away...

 

[S.A.A.D.]

No,I've had enough of Nolan's Batman world. No more stupid Bale Batman voice,no more blocky bullcrap Batmobile,no more lame looking Batman suit,no more no fantastical/sci-fi baddies. And no more of the too serious tone. But if the Nolanverse continue I wouldn't mind if these problems were fixed and with someone else making future Batman films with a loose continuity to Nolan's Batman world.

 

[KalMart]

I feel this really comes down to the characters themselves. Certain characters only work one way, in comics or film. Superman, for instance, doesn't have a whole lot of flexibility when it comes to his interpretation, at least in terms of success to the fans AND the general public, which is what making movies on superheroes is about. So even though Donner's film is decades old, redoing it serves no real purpose, as any movie going forward will be depicting him in a similar way.

Spiderman I think falls into that category as well. Almost everytime they try something drastically different with him it doesn't work so good. If they decide to focus just on his school years without rehashing his origin all over again, it could still work. Possibly.

Batman on the other hand has had very successful interpretations that have been vastly different. As much as people may hate to admit it, goofy super-light Batman was a viable characterization at one time. Likewise if they want to make a film with him carrying a gun, at least technically, it would still be faithful to his earliest years. With Nolan, I think he's had success by taking the best of what works and using it to create his own thing. His own thing. In the future, I think it would be a mistake to try to duplicate what he's done unless he has some form of involvement.

However, I also feel that certain aspects have been nailed down to the point of overkill if it were to be retold. I don't think it matters what direction they want to go, his origin has been told in a very distinct way that would be almost impossible to improve on. Being a Hulk fan, even after two films, they still haven't completely nailed the character IMO, so in 10 or 25 years if they decide for another set of movies, they absolutely should redo everything, they still have the room to do that, to get it right. For Batman, Superman, Spidey & Ironman, that room has been taken away...

I know how you feel. It's hard to let go when something's actually good. But at the same time, some would like to preserve the originality of someone's take on something as a whole, too. I'm more inclined towards the latter, and I still think there's plenty of room in the character's makeup/history for a completely new take, with the added benefit of making it a different style as well. Audiences will be fine with it either way if it's done well.

 

[jmc]

There's always room for different interpretations. I've always believed a period Batman should seriously be looked at after Nolan is done, something set in the 30's perhaps, it would be a very unique way to do the character. What would he look like? What would a 1930's Batmobile look like? What would the villains look like? Instead of trying to make every Batman film in the present perhaps it's time to take a step backwards with the character. At the very least there wouldn't be any confusion as to whether it's a continuation of the Nolan-verse.

 

[IBRAH08]

There's always room for different interpretations. I've always believed a period Batman should seriously be looked at after Nolan is done, something set in the 30's perhaps, it would be a very unique way to do the character. What would he look like? What would a 1930's Batmobile look like? What would the villains look like? Instead of trying to make every Batman film in the present perhaps it's time to take a step backwards with the character. At the very least there wouldn't be any confusion as to whether it's a continuation of the Nolan-verse.

I have to say, I could see that being potentially very interesting. Here is my question: would Bats be his original 1930's self (super noir and even gun wielding) or is it something else, but in the 30's?

 

[jmc]

I have to say, I could see that being potentially very interesting. Here is my question: would Bats be his original 1930's self (super noir and even gun wielding) or is it something else, but in the 30's?

Either one would be valid.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Panthro and I were working on a comic idea with Batman set in 1939 a year back. It was really cool actually. It brought out alot of new ideas.

 

[zman]

admittedly I haven't read this whole thread, but this is how I see it, for now at least: Singer used Donner as a template, at least that's what he meant to do. Still, he left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths (stay focused guys)... since his movie felt like an almost direct translation.

that concept (using strictly part of Nolan's vision) might be the way to go for the fourth film: keep what works, change what doesn't, or what limits you for further adaptations (like the fact that Ras and Two Face are now dead...). Bruce's origine as portreid in BB is valid, but incomplete: we should see some flashbacks of him training throughout the world, learning stuff ( science, detective skills, escaping traps, etc). Too radical a change visualy or story wise might be perceived as unsafe by WB. But I think they've learned from Superman Returns: keeping what works is ok, but you can't just rehash what's been done. What do you guys think?

 

[Green Ghoul]

I don't think they should continue the nolanverse after Batman 3. Batman deserves a solid trilogy. Something on par with LotR, Back to the Future, Evil Dead and the original Star Wars (IV, V and VI).

Spin-offs and one-shots are okay. I still want to see TDKR made into a movie.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I hate when a film series changes actors mid-way that let's say for example Nolan, Bale and company decide to leave the series after Batman 3, then us hardcore fans will have to once again endure the painstaking challenge of yet accepting a new actor for Batman.

These boards will always get crowded over who's the best Batman, new director, that we'll never be happy.

Personally I'd like Bale as Batman for another trilogy and then the series can rest for a while to reboot later on.

 

[IBRAH08]

I hate when a film series changes actors mid-way that let's say for example Nolan, Bale and company decide to leave the series after Batman 3, then us hardcore fans will have to once again endure the painstaking challenge of yet accepting a new actor for Batman.

These boards will always get crowded over who's the best Batman, new director, that we'll never be happy.

Personally I'd like Bale as Batman for another trilogy and then the series can rest for a while to reboot later on.

I actually wouldn't mind a new actor for Bruce. Maybe one with a stronger jaw, and looks a bit more classically Bruce Wayne and who is a little broader and such. Not that I dislike Bale as Bruce (although I know a few people who do, but you can't please everyone) I'm just saying that there are other actors that could give it a shot, as well as different directors and I welcome them.

 

[Gotham22]

No, just my opinion. But reall it will be the new director's choice if he wants to continue Nolan's Batman and world do his own


Burton and Schumacher. Each have/had their own Batmen and worlds.

 

[Steyin]

admittedly I haven't read this whole thread, but this is how I see it, for now at least: Singer used Donner as a template, at least that's what he meant to do. Still, he left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths (stay focused guys)... since his movie felt like an almost direct translation.

that concept (using strictly part of Nolan's vision) might be the way to go for the fourth film: keep what works, change what doesn't, or what limits you for further adaptations (like the fact that Ras and Two Face are now dead...). Bruce's origine as portreid in BB is valid, but incomplete: we should see some flashbacks of him training throughout the world, learning stuff ( science, detective skills, escaping traps, etc). Too radical a change visualy or story wise might be perceived as unsafe by WB. But I think they've learned from Superman Returns: keeping what works is ok, but you can't just rehash what's been done. What do you guys think?

I agree. Keep certain things as a base (origin, characterizations, deaths, set pieces) and just add to them or finese them for the next. Lighten up the realism a bit and add some stuff and its all good in my mind.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Poll added.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I do love what Nolan has done with these movies.

But still, I really want to see a proper neo noir Batman movie. Gritty and violent but still fantastical. Sure some things in Begins and TDK were completely unrealistic and fantastical, but i want more.

I want the film to be like a comic has been literally translated to film ie Sin City. I want to have narration from Batman when he is investigating something, showing the way his mind works as a detective. You know what i mean?

I want to see more amazing and breath-taking action/fight scenes. I think everyone knows i am not a fan of the fight scenes in Begins or TDK. I'm not talking about somersaults, backflips and all that, just something more entertaining and varied. Because at the end of the day Batman is a master of MULTIPLE fighting techniques. Not just "elbow, punch, elbow, punch..." you get the picture.

 

[Bad Superman]

The Nolanverse should open up to the existence of other DC heroes.

 

[IBRAH08]

I do love what Nolan has done with these movies.

But still, I really want to see a proper neo noir Batman movie. Gritty and violent but still fantastical. Sure some things in Begins and TDK were completely unrealistic and fantastical, but i want more.

I want the film to be like a comic has been literally translated to film ie Sin City. I want to have narration from Batman when he is investigating something, showing the way his mind works as a detective. You know what i mean?

I want to see more amazing and breath-taking action/fight scenes. I think everyone knows i am not a fan of the fight scenes in Begins or TDK. I'm not talking about somersaults, backflips and all that, just something more entertaining and varied. Because at the end of the day Batman is a master of MULTIPLE fighting techniques. Not just "elbow, punch, elbow, punch..." you get the picture.

: I really like the idea of Bat-narration showing his detective thought process.