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Arrow Should The Show Revamp Count Vertigo... Again?

Should the show revamp Count Vertigo?

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Exactly as the title says. And if so, how? Especially given the framework already established by the show.

As those familiar with the comics would know, Count Vertigo is one of the main villains in Green Arrow's rogue's gallery. And to that end, the show has made two attempts at the character with debated levels of success.

The first - played by Seth Gabel - was a hammy, Joker-inspired pill pusher simply known as "The Count" who sold a street drug called "vertigo" and whose main shtick in fights is to inject people with syringes filled with an enhanced version of vertigo. Overall, opinions on the character was quite split; with some loving Gabel's over-the-top performance while others either didn't or weren't satisfied with the character's overall concept.

The second - played by Peter Stromare - was much the same; being a drug dealer named Werner Zytle who took over the original Count's operations following the latter's death. The main difference being that instead of using syringes, Stormare's character delivered the vertigo using darts and he'd modified the vertigo to cause its victims hallucinations. In terms of reception however, Stormare's Vertigo was greeted for the most part with an indifferent "meh"; which is probably worse.

Overall, the main theme and gimmick of both characters is that they are poisoners. However, the way they go about it were neither fresh nor memorable. Also, a shared shortcoming is their lack of a well defined motivation. They - especially the second Vertigo - were only in it for the money and lack any particularly strong connection with Oliver story-wise; unlike say fan favourite villains such as Malcolm Merlyn and Slade.


With all this in mind, I feel the show needs to revamp Vertigo - a la Deadshot - in order to elevate him into a prominent villain on the show. The tough part is the question of how. Personally, and from my outline above, the changes need to come in two domains - namely motivation and gimmick.

With respect to motivation, in order to give him a more personal connection with Oliver, I feel the new Vertigo should be made into a relative (e.g. father) of the original Count, who is seeking revenge for the death of the original Count. This could either be a soft retcon for Stormare's Vertigo or the show could kill him off and be replaced with a new character. Personally, I would be more in favour of the former as I like Stormare as a performer and having a third villain calling himself Vertigo feels a tad too ridiculous.

As for gimmick, neither of the show's Count Vertigos' techniques feel particularly interesting. Nor are they visually intimidating to the viewer. Here are a couple of guys who run around with needles, going up against a master fighter who uses a bow and arrow who has faced against an immortal master assassin and Mirakuru-fueled armies and won. At this point, there's very little that the current Vertigo can do that would present much of a threat relative to those.

As such, in order to compete, the show should expand on the "poisoner" aspect of their show's versions of Count Vertigo. The show has established that while a recreational drug, vertigo is also a neurotoxin that can triggers severe pain when injected or ingested in a more potent form. At this point, it's hard to imagine vertigo retaining any of its street value give everything that's transpired with the two Count Vertigos. With that in mind, the show should instead go all out and have Count Vertigo formulate an even more potent version of vertigo that becomes effective and possibly even fatal when inhaled.

In essence, instead of simply being a street level drug dealer, Count Vertigo would be a straight up bio-terrorist (okay, more like chemical terrorist) and a genuine threat to Starling City. Now, picture a guy in a suit (because all CW villains wear suits) and gas mask, armed with an assortment of smoke grenades and dirty bombs. Wouldn't that make for a more visually intimidating and interesting foe for Oliver to tangle with?


Anyway, I've rambled on enough. What are people's thoughts? Is Count Vertigo in his current form right for Arrow? Or does he need a major makeover? How? Do you agree with me?

Share your thoughts.
 
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Nah, Vertigo can just be a lesser recurring villain like he's been.
 
Have whoever gave Deathbolt powers get ahold of Werner, give him the actual powers. He uses this newfound power to return home to Vlatava and take it back from the criminals that overthrew his family.
 
I really don't think they need to try again. Clearly they can't get it together.
 
Sure, I'd like to see a version like Lemire/Sorrentino's.
 
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Clearly they don't care much for the character of Count Vertigo and seem happy to portray him as Nolan Scarecrow type character.

They had the chance to a better attempt at the character when they introduced Werner Zytle but it turned out to be more of the same.
 
I actually think they'd be better off running with the concept they've inadvertently created: Count Vertigo is a legacy. The drug is sufficiently good, and has been the center of enough important events in Starling City, that *somebody* inevitably starts playing around with the stuff again whenever the prior Count gets removed from play.
 
Clearly they don't care much for the character of Count Vertigo and seem happy to portray him as Nolan Scarecrow type character.

They had the chance to a better attempt at the character when they introduced Werner Zytle but it turned out to be more of the same.

Though that could be more indicative of the overall drop in writing quality of Season 3 more than anything. Which is hopefully something that the team would have fixed going into Season 4.
 
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I thought the first Count Vertigo was really bad and awkward to watch. I much prefer Werner Zytle.
 
I think somehow giving him actual powers could be the way to go. If anyone has read the premise to Blindspot, a Jamie Alexander vehicle, they had some chemicals she was exposed to for a long time and in higher doses leading to a permanent effect. They could have the same on Stomare's character to give his powers a more organic base and even tie it into Damien Darhk.
 
Third times the charm? Star Labs tech exists. Give a megalomanical diplomat some tech that effs with TA's balance or whatever and work from there. Joker/Scarecrow Vertigo doesn't work maybe the real deal will.
 
I think somehow giving him actual powers could be the way to go. If anyone has read the premise to Blindspot, a Jamie Alexander vehicle, they had some chemicals she was exposed to for a long time and in higher doses leading to a permanent effect. They could have the same on Stomare's character to give his powers a more organic base and even tie it into Damien Darhk.

However, the show has kind of written themselves into a corner in that respect because it has firmly established that "vertigo" is a drug in the setting and the villain is themed around said drug. So, giving him powers wouldn't really fit this concept unless it was something along the lines of secreting vertigo from his own body or some such; which would then not fit with the style of the show.
 
But it could be HIVE experimenting on Zytle with the drug and him manifesting that sort of effect. I mean the drug doesn't even mirror Vertigo's actual powers so I'm not suggesting he secrete the drug or anything of that sort. The drug+mutating chemicals being used on Zytle resulting in his comic book-y powers. I referenced Blindspot to suggest the same.
 
I personally hope the real count comes too starling as too ensure his name isn't being tarnished and they all called him the count because in history the "count" was a powerful political leader. Much like Vladimir (dracula) was like.

That vertigo the drug was named after what "history" had determined the real count would invoke in people.

(ends up really being a device)

but if they leave him out I'd be fine with that too.
 
They could take an easy way out and have it where someone was using the drug in Central City at the time of the particle accelerator explosion. They developed powers from the drug and were now able to cause people dizziness like in the comics and have hallucinations.
 
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