Should they make another Punisher movie?

[Sundancer]

Yea, what was the point of that?

My dumbass computer. Didnt' mean to do that...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

HAHA no worries man, happens all the time.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Punisher is irrelevant at this point. There have been three movies. All of them were flops. Making another one at this point would be ridiculous. We don't need another Man Thing.

 

[Sundancer]

Just ran out on my lunch break and bought the entire current storyline with Moonie and Frank because of this damn thread...

 

[mrpoizun]

There's no point making another one unless they give it a budget. It's not even possible to make a good movie within the budgetary limitations of the first three. And the fact that the third one was budgeted at LESS than TWENTY MILLION shows that they didn't even have the slightest desire to make a good movie.

 

[Team Andino]

I think the Thomas Jane Punisher movie is really underrated and I was disappointed to hear when they decided to reboot with War Zone. I would of loved to have an HBO spin off of the Thomas Jane Punisher continue telling his stories. I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to liking that movie. Either way I'm still a big fan.

 

[TMC1982]

I think the Thomas Jane Punisher movie is really underrated and I was disappointed to hear when they decided to reboot with War Zone. I would of loved to have an HBO spin off of the Thomas Jane Punisher continue telling his stories. I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to liking that movie. Either way I'm still a big fan.

Thomas Jane did do the voice of Frank Castle in the Punisher video game from several years back. So I suppose that the video game could be considered a continuation of the 2004 movie.

 

[comicfan4Life]

I say punisher needs another. I keep hearing three films this and three films that, well FF had three films and people really want another go, and the first like Lundgren's punisher wasn't even in theaters, it went to video. As a fan I find it an embarrassment that complicated characters like Iron Man can get a film right on the first try, but Castle can't catch a break. Punisher is as limited in the comics as he is in the movies. Angry guy in skull shirt kills everyone in the room. Loses family to mob hit. Same in the books as it is in the movie. In order to make a good Punisher film, you have to stick to the character's strength.

Batman Begins/Dark Knight were good because they stuck to what makes Batman good. He's smart, charming, a bit of a prick, afraid, driven, rich, and dark. That's Batman, Nolan took that and put it in a universe where that could shine in a realistic light. What makes Castle good? He's fierce and effective. He's a tacticianal genius in terms of planning and carrying out damage. He's a violent boogeyman that shows glimpses of humanity. He views the world as black & white, plus he's a regualr person who can get his ass kicked and kick ass.

But one thing that Batman/Punisher share is their ability to come into contact with people more powerful than them and how they deal with it. Castle and Bruce don't discriminate, evil is evil. Sometimes going after drug dealer 1, mob boss 2,000,000, or mugger 27 gets old. Is it so hard to have Frank deal with some superpowered threats? He can work better in other movies. I'm still holding out for an ASM 129 moment, or a rainy showdown in hell's kitchen between Murdock and Castle. I think he should have supporting roles, to build up his screen cred. Also a war movie wouldn't hurt. Show his entire tour of Nam/Desert Storm, then have it end with his family getting killed, set up the second film where tries to do something about it and becomes punisher. Third film, Castle goes out into the world to do some damage.

Castle can have a good film, but for now he can be taken to the back to be worked on, while other more derserving heroes can get their shot. Maybe Moon Knight can have better success.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

The Punisher deserves a good movie because some of his stories are the best crime drama stories ive read. Pick any of the stories from the MAX Series that Ennis wrote and you have a great movie.

HEll if done right The Slavers could top TDK in terms of quality and darkness. Thats a story that if handled carefully and faithfully could be one of the best Marvel movies EVER. Brutal, Smart and a senstive subject to touch, the Slavers NEEDS to be made a film.

 

[sabetoonth]

comicafan4life, i disagree, show the murder of his family, show him taking on the first criminal organization he finds, even include bushwhacker, etc, the superpowered guys if ya feel thats whats missing. cameos sure

 

[sabetoonth]

comicafan4life, i disagree, show the murder of his family, show him taking on the first criminal organization he finds, even include bushwhacker, etc, the superpowered guys if ya feel thats whats missing. cameos sure

 

[comicfan4Life]

^ Yes, that could work perfectly. The death of his family needs to be random and yet also have purpose. Wrong place at the wrong time is a scenario that as old as it is really drives it home, because everyone can relate to the unfairness of it. All they wanted to do was to have a nice day in the park, but crap happens. And bushwacker would be awesome, Frank needs some beefed up threats. As much as I love Nicky Cavella, DD takes on people like Bullseye, Tyhpoid Mary, and the Hand. So I'm sure Murdock can deal with Cavella.

Frank needs to be shown as an everyman that can fit in any situation. That's what makes him work, so yeah guys like Jigsaw, Cavella, and Barracuda, etc would be cool, but besides being loud mouth gangsters there's nothing that stands out about them. Part of what makes Castle awesome are the crazy odds he finds himself in, and how he can get out of them. Case in point, the Russian. I hated the opera music/dance number, but the Russian?Castle fight itself was just awesome especially the way Jane pulled it off. As much as I love Ray, there's no way he could've taken that abuse and have it be believable.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

well Ray is a big guy so him getting manhandled like Jane was would seem a little unbelieveable...anyway The Punisher is supposed to be a big guy.

I still say they adapt the Max series.

 

[comicfan4Life]

well Ray is a big guy so him getting manhandled like Jane was would seem a little unbelieveable...anyway The Punisher is supposed to be a big guy.

I still say they adapt the Max series.

that's what I'm talking about, Ray was too big for Nash to toss around. Which is why Castle needs bigger threats to do some serious damage. The point has to driven home that Castle is human like everyone else, I didn't get that from war zone. War Zone's Punisher was just a video game character in nonstop COD mode, and LBJ was just a sad attempt. All of a sudden the cannibal can do kung fu? Castle needs a Bushwacker, a daken, maybe Barracuda, but the threats needs to be big.

Like I said there's a limit to so many dealers, mobsters, and thugs he can kill. Quite honestly, I'm surprised there's any left after Van Damme, Segal, Stallone, and Arnie fought them all in the 90s. If they're henchmen set up to lead the hero to a bigger threat, fine. But if they're the same as the guy they work for (goon in a suit) what's the point?

 

[sabetoonth]

thata why hes shown taking on real world type threats, becuase hes human, and would beleivabley be able to take on gangsters mobsters etc

 

[S. Grundy]

I think Bushwacker would have been good for the never going to happen Thomas Jane Punisher sequel. Have more or less the same background for the character, ex-CIA operative who lost his **** and is now a hired gun and have him be a more brains instead of brawn character. Though the bioengineered arm gun would have to go.

 

[sabetoonth]

not nessasrily, have it be maybe some sort of bionic limb or somehting? like a prostetic one with the gun mounted on there

 

[S. Grundy]

Prosthetic could work. Though it would also have to be usable in a hand to hand combat.

 

[sabetoonth]

a club ont he end of your arm is prety useful in hand to hand combat, or have interchangable attatchments with a hand, and a gun

 

[comicfan4Life]

I think Bushwacker would have been good for the never going to happen Thomas Jane Punisher sequel. Have more or less the same background for the character, ex-CIA operative who lost his **** and is now a hired gun and have him be a more brains instead of brawn character. Though the bioengineered arm gun would have to go.

See I was thinking the arm thing could work if done in a realistic way which is why I'd love for Marvel to get the rights back, so there could be cross over references/fall out. Iron Man 2 seems to be going the route of Armor Wars. There are alot of black market people that would love that tech. Bushwacker gets a hold of Stark Tech all hell breaks loose, Castle goes in to shut his ass down. That tech getting into the hands of the wrong people could be awesome for Frank to get involved with in terms of story. It's not just large gangster groups all the time, but real heavy hitters.

@Sabetoonth: That is also true, but variety goes a long way. There are some great real world stories that can make an excellent Punisher film, slavers, year one (which is why I really appreciate the 04 film for what it tried to do), In the Beginning, Mother Russia, etc. But Castle is the comic book John McClane. Part of what makes him awesome is his ability to take damage and come back, plus the situations they find themselves in are sometimes bigger than street gangs. Is it so hard to have Frank deal with terrorists? Sure they're not original either, but threat wise compared to Mobsters, I think that will hold more attention than Tony Sorprano types.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

See I was thinking the arm thing could work if done in a realistic way which is why I'd love for Marvel to get the rights back, so there could be cross over references/fall out. Iron Man 2 seems to be going the route of Armor Wars. There are alot of black market people that would love that tech. Bushwacker gets a hold of Stark Tech all hell breaks loose, Castle goes in to shut his ass down. That tech getting into the hands of the wrong people could be awesome for Frank to get involved with in terms of story. It's not just large gangster groups all the time, but real heavy hitters.

@Sabetoonth: That is also true, but variety goes a long way. There are some great real world stories that can make an excellent Punisher film, slavers, year one (which is why I really appreciate the 04 film for what it tried to do), In the Beginning, Mother Russia, etc. But Castle is the comic book John McClane. Part of what makes him awesome is his ability to take damage and come back, plus the situations they find themselves in are sometimes bigger than street gangs. Is it so hard to have Frank deal with terrorists? Sure they're not original either, but threat wise compared to Mobsters, I think that will hold more attention than Tony Sorprano types.

Bushwhackers arm being a prosthetic made of Stark Technology could be a nice tie in...but they would have to explain his story enough to make it believable. maybe hes a hired gun to protect a power drug cartel running mass killings at the border or a terrorist cell group.

 

[comicfan4Life]

Bushwhackers arm being a prosthetic made of Stark Technology could be a nice tie in...but they would have to explain his story enough to make it believable. maybe hes a hired gun to protect a power drug cartel running mass killings at the border or a terrorist cell group.

Yes, that'swould work just fine!

 

[comicfan4Life]

Bushwhackers arm being a prosthetic made of Stark Technology could be a nice tie in...but they would have to explain his story enough to make it believable. maybe hes a hired gun to protect a power drug cartel running mass killings at the border or a terrorist cell group.

Yes, that would work just fine!

 

[Punisher_MAX]

i wish they would get a good Slavers script and have Michael Mann direct it.

 

[sabetoonth]

See I was thinking the arm thing could work if done in a realistic way which is why I'd love for Marvel to get the rights back, so there could be cross over references/fall out. Iron Man 2 seems to be going the route of Armor Wars. There are alot of black market people that would love that tech. Bushwacker gets a hold of Stark Tech all hell breaks loose, Castle goes in to shut his ass down. That tech getting into the hands of the wrong people could be awesome for Frank to get involved with in terms of story. It's not just large gangster groups all the time, but real heavy hitters.

@Sabetoonth: That is also true, but variety goes a long way. There are some great real world stories that can make an excellent Punisher film, slavers, year one (which is why I really appreciate the 04 film for what it tried to do), In the Beginning, Mother Russia, etc. But Castle is the comic book John McClane. Part of what makes him awesome is his ability to take damage and come back, plus the situations they find themselves in are sometimes bigger than street gangs. Is it so hard to have Frank deal with terrorists? Sure they're not original either, but threat wise compared to Mobsters, I think that will hold more attention than Tony Sorprano types.

this is true, im not agaisnt him takin on bigger badder threats, just explainging why he hasnt done so yet
and iirc, PWZ, was a marvel studios flick with paramount? as the distributor, like with TIH